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Elitest attitudes in MMOs in general
beritpandion
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I've noticed that since WOW especially but even to a point before that there has been a saddening amount of people whining about their fellow players. Specifically if they aren't geared and do things according to THEIR rules then they must suck. I'm wondering where this came from (different kind of player than there used to be? AKA more micro manager types and less TRUE techs for lack of a nicer way to put it?) as pre WOW it didn't seem to be AS prevalent.
Lately I've seen a lot of Prevent X from joining in playing Y it's getting us killed or we're failing... DUH. It used to be that failing raids and things were normal and there were more than 1 way to do things. Especially since WOW it's X gear Y classes (Professions) or you're not allowed. I get that it's frustrating to play but this mentality that there's only 1 way to do things is really sad to see. It also reminds me of a subset of people that I worked with in the past that played WOW Horde for the simple fact the could be jerks online when they couldn't in RL. These attitudes are why I've come to really become anti social in MMOs and that's the reason I played them initially. Maybe MMOs need to go back to the D&D subtype of players as this mass of people seems to be bringing in some of the less desirable traits of the human species and show's just how far as a race we have to go. Not sure where I'm going with this other than point out some of these issues with fellow players in general and these mentalities. /shrug /rant off
Part of the fun of PUGs was to meet new people and TRY different methods of X mission/dungeon which lead to a lot of dieing and all but eventually lead to better skilled players. Either the game mechanics have changed (which they have to some degree with every new game) or else there's a new kind of player and there's that too.
Lately I've seen a lot of Prevent X from joining in playing Y it's getting us killed or we're failing... DUH. It used to be that failing raids and things were normal and there were more than 1 way to do things. Especially since WOW it's X gear Y classes (Professions) or you're not allowed. I get that it's frustrating to play but this mentality that there's only 1 way to do things is really sad to see. It also reminds me of a subset of people that I worked with in the past that played WOW Horde for the simple fact the could be jerks online when they couldn't in RL. These attitudes are why I've come to really become anti social in MMOs and that's the reason I played them initially. Maybe MMOs need to go back to the D&D subtype of players as this mass of people seems to be bringing in some of the less desirable traits of the human species and show's just how far as a race we have to go. Not sure where I'm going with this other than point out some of these issues with fellow players in general and these mentalities. /shrug /rant off
Part of the fun of PUGs was to meet new people and TRY different methods of X mission/dungeon which lead to a lot of dieing and all but eventually lead to better skilled players. Either the game mechanics have changed (which they have to some degree with every new game) or else there's a new kind of player and there's that too.
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some people take the game too seriously
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Yea maybe I was sheltered on my Decade long affair with EQ but I really didn't see the venom and Vitriol that I have in other games lately. I just was trying to get my mind around it and was trying to figure out if it's cultural, or if there's just that many different kinds of people playing now and the loud mouths are just that more noticeable. Wasn't really a troll or anything other than trying to wrap my head around a trend I've noticed.
I particularly notice the type of people who:
- are jerks
- are fools
- are helpful
- are down to earth
- are shy
- are oblivious to this being a multiplayer game
In real life, if you don't want to constantly find yourself doing activities with jerks and fools, generally you have the freedom to do that activity elsewhere, and often with other like-minded people who don't simply vanish into PUG queue oblivion when you complete the objective and leave the team. But in an MMO, we don't have that luxury. We must all do X in order to get Y. The best we can hope for is to arrange to do it with people we have an existing connection with (fleet, friends, etc)
I totally agree however it's seemed like there's 2 subset's if you will that have arrived.
1) group that seems to think that online is a place to be jerks so they can let out whatever pent up feelings of inadequacy they have IRL
2) These micro manager elitists who want only to do things ABC and can't frankly adjust to groups that do things differently.
On a bigger scale this is something I've noticed as a whole that people seem to have a lot less creative solution and reaction skills even in jobs that require it. If things don't follow ABC they don't know what to do. Works for me IRL as it keeps me in a job but it's frustrating to see that mentality popping into games where it's SUPPOSED to be an escape from RL.
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^ This.
Which is why there are a number of large and successful fleets out there geared towards the "mature" players who are less prone to using the game as a sort of venting paradise.
Mind you any type of gameplay style or perspective, taken far enough and made advanced enough to be inaccessible, can be considered "elitist" by the general populace.
MMO gaming is IMO, all about finding your own niche and sticking to it. There's no need to say, bash certain subsets of players just because I disagree with their logic and mode of interaction.
Example:
I started STO as a roleplayer and back then I found certain discussions against RPers performing well in PvP and ESTF distressing.
Later on I tried everything including flying the worst, squishiest, nerfed science ships quite well in PvP and once I went into a RP guild's ESTF ground mission and was like.... wtf, stop socializing in battle.
In other words I can be yon typical fellow who tells you "cruisers suck, use an escort for this map", or "TRIBBLE the DPS, work on formation order and RPed battle comms TNG style"
Both these gameplay styles can be "elitist" due to inaccessibility.
But if I remain in my niche and pick the right discussions to contribute to in the correct tone, there's really no justification to intrude on others' chosen modes of gameplay and downplay them.
The conclusion I'm getting at is, we're all not here to be the Average Joe captain who works for Starfleet 50 years, gets a pension and retires comfortably on utopian Earth eventually.
We all want to play heroes of whatever form in either RP or through skill in advanced gameplay, or even via community contributions.
We all want to be "Elite" in our own way because games, like it or not, are meant for us to succeed in a way that we may not even think it's possible IRL. That's what entertainment is about.
It's when player A bashes player B to say "what you're doing is wrong", and giving no justification as to why or how that other mode of play... is what creates all this unnecessary friction in gaming communities.
After all, to put it in a simple way, what's stopping a group of roleplayers from learning the right stuff from PvP forums and PvP queues, and excelling in elite level gameplay?
I have seen groups of players achieve exactly that and write you the most wonderful RPed short stories with all the right min-max strategies in it, making the rivalry in its basic form... most illogical.
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I also think that MMO's have matured into the mainstream market in the last 10 years - attracting different types of gamers. The recent move to F2P for a lot of games also opens the gate to a wider audience, both for good and bad.
One thing I've figured out is: "Be nice and make the other guy look like an *******". It's super effective. :P
Hence I'm the elite FCA lol... Not the best RPer, and nonexistent PvP skills, but I can play the Exchange like Mozart
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Ah the free market! Where young capitalists learn to sing!
We all know that profit goes hand in hand with [Acc]x3 uber PvP gear, thus one Elitist complements another form of Elitism
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Mostly because, everyone has a niche they want, whether they know it or not, and eventually, or hopefully, find it.
For myself in this game, I generally prefer to fill a supplemental role to my fleet and friends. I'm not the best PvPer, or PvEer, I don't have huge amounts of knowledge on more intricate mechanics, etc. But in turn, I try to be decent at everything, the classic jack-of-all-trades
But, that's not to say I don't have my speciality, in this case for me, it's going through DOFFs and DOFF packs like copy paper. I've made many a million in ECs from doing it, but it isn't without it's risks, and I wouldn't recommend it to anybody. Heck, good chance a few folks on these forums have had me slurp up their DOFF packs off the exchange with how many I buy sometimes.
I burn away EC nearly as fast as I can make it almost, I can go from poor to rich and back to poor in minutes if that says anything. I go at it a little TOO well.
Even with any losses I've taken from it, I still have made enough money to give my fleet a large amount, buy two lockbox ships right off the exchange, and make myself a fleet ship also buying the modules off the exchange. Not to mention all the DOFFs I've fed to the Starbase monster.
All that said, I'm rather an elitist because of it, in a matter of speaking since I do what I do, buying so many DOFF packs just to open them and grind or sell the DOFFs for the most part, making huge amounts of money, etc. So, I might not be blatant and obvious about it, but in a way, I am indeed elitist.
P.S. No, I'm not a Ferengi. Even if I do own a D'kora and play Dabo on said ship. :P
Then again, I've also avoided joining fleets or any of that nonsense because I want to avoid stupids that much.
STO makes a great single player game with internet forums to chat on!
Edit: Silly filter.
I've encountered at least one of these types of players in every game. When I remind them that they were beginners once, I get this response though not in these exact words...
"I WAS NEVER A NOOB!!!"
When I described this while playing STO, one other player told me that "There is no reasoning with a Narcissist."
Maybe some "elitist" players have a very inflated view of themselves and that's part of the problem...
"Hah! You are doomed! You're only armed with that pathetic excuse for a musical instrument!!!" *the Savage Beast moments before Lonnehart the Bard used music to soothe him... then beat him to death with his Fat Lute*
Then you get to rip on the other noobs for not subsiding your noob tokens because they're all a bunch of mooch noobs.
And that is how you transfer emergency power to noobs.
Elite means "first to die"
The Band of Thebes (Elite) Died to the last man more than once
The Immortals (Elite) massacred more than once
The 300 themselves (royal bodyguard elite of the elite) Died to the last man
Elite does not mean "special wonderful person" it means EXPENDABLE
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I think you've hit it there. That's the thing that keeps occurring to me with threads saying do this don't do that etc... The over inflated view of themselves and that their way is the only way.
this person then asks you to do something unwise which would either put the healer out of commission and likely kill the team or debilitate the healer to a point that half way into the fight the healer can not heal because the healer has no energy! yet the person who asked for me to do something unworkable does not see it that way. this type of person could be considered an elitist jerk by the idea of what several other people here have mentioned.
i would say that every game i have played in my time has its good and bad communities and there is no way to tell the bad to give up their position as they have their right to that position just like a bad player can not tell a good player to turn nasty for no reason.
everyone had to be a "noob" at some point and those that deliberaly ignore it then cast their own hate for what they are on others and spam the word "noob" because they are not upto a standard they like. well, its not the new players problem.
To annoy these people I have deiberately run PUG ESTFs where I publicly post F the 10%, etc.
No orders barked, no obscure orders, "engage at pilots' discretion" and watch each others' backs, keep an eye for key objectives.
Where necessary I will post short and sweet SITREPs on team chat, like "Tgt cube" or "deploy CAP on gate". Teammates automatically redirect attention to wherever.
What do you know? Everyone did the right thing on their own and we won ISE + optional and exchanged friends' list invites.
Brought same team onto KASE, same thing, I plug the strategic right gate probe position, someone else plugs left, "pilots' discretion" and automatic victory from everyone doing their thing well.
Feedback from PUGs: "Best team ever" etc.
It's the reason why my fleet doesn't bother with voice comms... it's not needed. The missions are static, the enemies are predictable, the challenge is nil.
So little dynamic content that I break the ice by using small talk on team chat. People love small talk or exchanging lols.
They hate the people who, upon immediately spawn in the map, start barking orders on how to tackle the boss fight <--- this is a very common ground STF example.
The boss fight is 15 minutes away. You worry about breaking the ice for the current team and the current objective!
But they love small talk. Small talk for Elite PUG victory FTW
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It's like that in PvP too. I've had some bizarrely philosophical conversations at Ker'rat. Everything from "What does Love true mean?" to "Why does fiction exist?". I've witnessed players become so poetic, they out General Chang General Chang. Players aren't just monsters, they're great boss characters too! :P
Speaking of older games with different models (someone mentioned EQ earlier), I remember playing Asheron's Call in the late 90s, where one of the servers was dedicated open-world PVP. There was some PVP in the normal servers (if you flagged yourself as such), but the really elitist bullies had their own space seperate from everyone else where they could TRIBBLE to their hearts content. Really something to be said for the multiple-server model.
Trying to think which game had instituted something similar (server for those who were accused and/or found to be cheating), where certain players would be placed in along with everyone like them so they can duke it out amongst each other.
Cryptic, you should really think of opening up another server just for ERP'ers and Starfleet Dental. And anyone else that willingly dabbles in bullying and being a general ***hole. Just saying.
Also to expand my quote/unquote elitism... At first, you could have also considered me to be a jack-of-all-trades, master of none, and I felt pretty about that former arrangement. Until I figured out how to use the exchange as a microchasm of real-world markets. It really is a close and realistic simulation of a typical first-world economy, and I guess the drive to make EC is what drives me now. Also, being one of many people in our fleet who have a knack for all things financial. Hence our success with fleet starbase construction.
Anyways, I may dabble in PvP sometime in the future, but for now... crappy Dell Inspiron 1318 with Intel Graphics (x3100 on the 965 Express Chipset) that have not let me do any substantial STF's since season 6 came out >:(... so working the markets and non-stf dil grinding is all I got left.
BTW Cryptic, seriously... for us "integrated gfx" folk, can we get more advanced video options, like to use something other than Direct3D... Or just slip a few hundred bucks back into my CC so I can run off and buy some decent hardware??? LOL
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they quite simply believe the game and the world should work according to their rules or the ones they're familiar with. in the case of wowtards that translates to 3 specific class types with 3 specific roles...if your a sci or engineer you MUST be CC /healer in a sci ship and cruiser respectively. if you're a tac you MUST be dps in an escort.
get quite a chatbox full if you step outside those boundaries >.> same people who say borts with dc's or dhc's are useless...only if you're incapable of planning ahead. yet you will get a ton of flack for flying one with dc's...until the see it in action. even had people dump on tets and phased tets 'real captains use disruptors or anti-proton'. especially with the tet buff now...squeeee
they don't get anti-proton are only good if you meet certain requirements (disruptors are just generally good) skilled in accuracy and weapon specialization are the main 2 for any class. tac can let one or the other slide abit because of apa. because the bonus crit severity only matters if you actually crit.
long rant
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