Just leaving a note for CaptainGeko. When the ambassador does come out I would like its boff slots to be CM eng. LTCM Sci. LT eng. LT Tac. Ens Tac. Thank you very much I know you who did the excelsior can see my 'canon' reasons behind this set up. you're a good man when you're not mad at everybody. Have a nice day.
That'd work really nice , and be a good counterpart to the excelsior
Just leaving a note for CaptainGeko. When the ambassador does come out I would like its boff slots to be CM eng. LTCM Sci. LT eng. LT Tac. Ens Tac. Thank you very much I know you who did the excelsior can see my 'canon' reasons behind this set up. you're a good man when you're not mad at everybody. Have a nice day.
If anything, that setup should go to Galaxy... but since Cryptic hates Galaxy Class, I wouldn't be surprised if all cruisers had better setup.
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The ambassador should have been in sooner. Yes, I completely agree, but trying to fit in new ships further down the line just gets increasing more difficult. There are more issues like ship uniqueness and balancing to be concerned about now at this point in the game than there were two years ago. I'd rather Cryptic take some time to get canon ships right than lump them in haphazardly as a reskin or another cookie cutter cruiser.
Or.. maybe.... we could get some more original ships ;3.
An Ambassador is in all of 5 episodes of Trek: 4 episodes of TNG and 1 episode of DS9 - total screen time not even 10 minutes. An NX is in 98 episodes. I don't see how it would be ludicrous.
Total screentime not even 10 minutes...what?
Totally arbitrary number anyone?
Besides, what about the Nova?
The Prometheus?
The Olympic?
The Galaxy-X?
All appeared in even less episodes that the Ambassador class.
If you wanna throw arbitrary criteria for why ship x is ludicrous, why not pick something that's not countered by the fact that there are ships that don't fit those criteria aready in this game?
Oh BTW, "Yesterday's Enterprise" was in the "TNG Viewer's Choice Marathon" back in '94 which featured the 5 most popular episodes from that show.;)
If you wanna throw arbitrary criteria for why ship x is ludicrous, why not pick something that's not countered by the fact that there are ships that don't fit those criteria aready in this game?
I stand by my criteria - at least as far as the original post goes. The NX was in 98 episodes and was a real part of the series: and the first warp Enterprise. The Ambassador was in a handful of episodes. I'm not arguing the Ambassador shouldn't be in the game - it's one of my favorite ships! I'm simply saying you can't say having an Ambassador in the game is more important then having the NX. I mean heck, there's more episodes with an NX then there are with a Connie.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
It's not so much.. "making do", as it seems kinda-sorta stupid that an Official Version of the Enterprise is taking so long to get in-game...
When we have received so many Other ships of lesser fame and popularity.
Lesser fame and popularity? I don't know if I would say there is any. Only one with less screen time is maybe the Enterprise B...but its also a Excelsior class vessel which is a very known and perhaps popular vessel.
Like someone on the first page said there was hardly ever any Ambassador class ever seen in the shows. Every single class of ship that the Enterprise was had more screen time.
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I stand by my criteria - at least as far as the original post goes. The NX was in 98 episodes and was a real part of the series: and the first warp Enterprise. The Ambassador was in a handful of episodes. I'm not arguing the Ambassador shouldn't be in the game - it's one of my favorite ships! I'm simply saying you can't say having an Ambassador in the game is more important then having the NX. I mean heck, there's more episodes with an NX then there are with a Connie.
Well, I think the ludicrous part of the post you originally responded to was more about the anacronism that is the NX in this game.
So I still don't quite get how an anacronism is less ludicrous than a lack of screentime.
It just feels like you made a very strange leap of...logic?;)
And no, I didn't say you said it shouldn't be in.
So don't say I said you said it shouldn't be in.:P
Well, I think the ludicrous part of the post you originally responded to was more about the anacronism that is the NX in this game.
So I still don't quite get how an anacronism is less ludicrous than a lack of screentime.
It just feels like you made a very strange leap of...logic?;)
And no, I didn't say you said it shouldn't be in.
So don't say I said you said it shouldn't be in.:P
Again, the original post I replied to was that it was "ludicrous" that an NX would be in the game before an Ambassador. I replied that the NX was in 98 episodes while the Ambassador was only in 5, totaling less then 10 minutes of screen time. In the scope of Enterprises the Ambassador is no where near as important as an NX, and thus the NX should have made it first. That's what I was replying to. That had nothing to do with whether an Ambassador is more important then a Rhode Island or whatever: the leap of logic you decided to take.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
The Ambassador Class Ship has been asked for since soon after the release of the game and I can vaguely remember it being asked for even in BETA testing.
Now? two plus years later it is still being asked for? the only reason I think they are holding off on its release and yes, I believe it is fully modeled and done, is because they are going to release it with playable Romulan Ships in a New FE that would feature the Ambassador Ship and Romulans.
you DO realise that your 'travesty' has been in place since the launch of the damn game ?
the Luna class is from the same line of novels mate
As for the vesta being ugly , sure , some may see it that way , and thats your / their opinion
the only reason the vesta may be coming first , is because that ship will just be a general release , like the upcoming regent , like the armitage was like the bellaraphon was etc etc etc
they have something special planned for the Ambassador , and it'll feature heavily in a new FE
I'm certain Stahl will have something planned for Ambassador. When he declares the Ambassador will be launched IF and only IF every possible ship ever designed, has been brought into the game by STO season # 77. When he finally says that's his plan....that's when I'll believe him.
Last word we got on the Ambassador is it was being saved for a FE. Now we're being told the FEs wont be coming back until summer next year. So another year before the Ambassador? Really?
I believe they were a little more generic and said it will feature in a story mission.
season 7 will have story content, it just wont be in the FE format, so we could very well see the ambassador in season 7, just in a slightly different way that we might expect.
I believe they were a little more generic and said it will feature in a story mission.
season 7 will have story content, it just wont be in the FE format, so we could very well see the ambassador in season 7, just in a slightly different way that we might expect.
Hmmm... no I, by now, expect it to not look quite right... just like some of the other iconic ships... but hey, it is STO brought to us by Cryptic... :P
Hmmm... no I, by now, expect it to not look quite right... just like some of the other iconic ships... but hey, it is STO brought to us by Cryptic... :P
I just want the da*m ship. Any variant. Hopefully someday the Devs will listen. Doubtful...but perhaps...you just never know.
Last word we got on the Ambassador is it was being saved for a FE. Now we're being told the FEs wont be coming back until summer next year. So another year before the Ambassador? Really?
i would actually say more like 2 years for the next FE.
the next FE will come around with Season 7 so probably somewhere in the middle between 7 and 8, then you can calculate another 1 - 1.5 year for the FE after that.
the joke here is, in the F2P conversion Mr. DeAngelo ( aka EEPH ) told us in one of his Blogs that there would be 3 FE's a year, people went mad about the low number, he said he thought that 3 sounded like "Epic Win" to him...
then they tell us that they think about completely scrapping the idea and now we are back to 1 FE every year or so.
so... if the Ambassador is hold back for some future FE or Mission...
as a Reward? ...which will end up in the C-Store anyway...
that will be at least another 2 years. if it is even the FE after this one, which i highly doubt.
On the other hand, it does not require to be a comple FE, just a single mission (like Alpha) would be fine AFAIK.
An Ambassador is in all of 5 episodes of Trek: 4 episodes of TNG and 1 episode of DS9 - total screen time not even 10 minutes. An NX is in 98 episodes. I don't see how it would be ludicrous.
It becomes ludicrous when you consider the Ambassador Class is built during the 24th Century (50 years pre-STO), and the NX Class is built during the 22nd Century (250 years pre-STO). I know they call the NX Class in the game a "replica", but the design itself is still 250 years old.
The Akira Class is the 24th Century "NX Class", there was no need to make a 25th Century "replica" of the NX, other than fan-service.
I stand by my criteria - at least as far as the original post goes. The NX was in 98 episodes and was a real part of the series: and the first warp Enterprise. The Ambassador was in a handful of episodes. I'm not arguing the Ambassador shouldn't be in the game - it's one of my favorite ships! I'm simply saying you can't say having an Ambassador in the game is more important then having the NX. I mean heck, there's more episodes with an NX then there are with a Connie.
Luna Class: Only shown in novels, not canon.
Vesta Class: Only shown in novels, not canon.
Olympic Class: Shown in 1 episode, in an alternate future created by 'Q'
Galaxy-X: Shown in 1 episode, in an alternate future created by 'Q'
One could argue both the novels, and alternate future timelines, should both be considered "non-canon". Other ships like the Prometheus and Nova Classes had even less screen-time than the Ambassador Class, and yet they've been a part of the game since launch. Your definition of how long time the Ambassador Class was seen on screen, is rather arbitrary, especially considering there was 1 TNG episode centered around an Ambassador Class (Yesterday's Enterprise).
It becomes ludicrous when you consider the Ambassador Class is built during the 24th Century (50 years pre-STO), and the NX Class is built during the 22nd Century (250 years pre-STO). I know they call the NX Class in the game a "replica", but the design itself is still 250 years old.
The Akira Class is the 24th Century "NX Class", there was no need to make a 25th Century "replica" of the NX, other than fan-service.
Luna Class: Only shown in novels, not canon.
Vesta Class: Only shown in novels, not canon.
Olympic Class: Shown in 1 episode, in an alternate future created by 'Q'
Galaxy-X: Shown in 1 episode, in an alternate future created by 'Q'
One could argue both the novels, and alternate future timelines, should both be considered "non-canon". Other ships like the Prometheus and Nova Classes had even less screen-time than the Ambassador Class, and yet they've been a part of the game since launch. Your definition of how long time the Ambassador Class was seen on screen, is rather arbitrary, especially considering there was 1 TNG episode centered around an Ambassador Class (Yesterday's Enterprise).
I guess the Devs don't care about screen time. They just HATE the Ambassador Class period. Since the game is flooded with Cruisers already (by only Cryptic's own fault), I wouldn't mind seeing a Science Variant Zhukov, a Cruiser 1701-C, and perhaps a new 2409 variant. Like the Odyssey had 3 variants. Tac, Sci, and Eng.
Your definition of how long time the Ambassador Class was seen on screen, is rather arbitrary, especially considering there was 1 TNG episode centered around an Ambassador Class (Yesterday's Enterprise).
If you had bothered to read my other posts in this thread you would see that my reply was only in response to the idea of "why an NX before an Ambassador?" Between those 2 ships the NX has far more precedent for being included first. As I said above, I have no explanation as to why the Ambassador isn't in the game. I was simply disputing the idea that the Ambassador is more important to Trek lore then the NX.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
I guess the Devs don't care about screen time. They just HATE the Ambassador Class period. Since the game is flooded with Cruisers already (by only Cryptic's own fault), I wouldn't mind seeing a Science Variant Zhukov, a Cruiser 1701-C, and perhaps a new 2409 variant. Like the Odyssey had 3 variants. Tac, Sci, and Eng.
The only thing I've seen Al say is that the Ambassador is hard to fit into their Tier system as the Excelsior is T3.5 and the Galaxy is T4. So they either make it T3.5, which doesn't explain why the Excelsior should be as good as the ship that followed it, or they make it T4, which doesn't explain why it's as good as the Galaxy. Either way it would also have a T5 Retrofit.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
so what? it's just the ambassador class. big deal.
Every ship's just a ship when you're not the one who wants it.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
The only thing I've seen Al say is that the Ambassador is hard to fit into their Tier system as the Excelsior is T3.5 and the Galaxy is T4. So they either make it T3.5, which doesn't explain why the Excelsior should be as good as the ship that followed it, or they make it T4, which doesn't explain why it's as good as the Galaxy. Either way it would also have a T5 Retrofit.
Easy solution. Just make it T3.75 I don't think the Ambassador will every be realized. We should get used to it.
Atrox? Armitage? Regent? Play with those toys and eat your peas.
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Atrox? Armitage? Regent? Play with those toys and eat your peas.
Kind of would like to see more Sci ships (if Sci didn't currently suck after they nerfed it to death)...would like to see a few more Escorts yes...but....I'd like to see "Hybrid" ships. I'm getting sick of Sci, Cruiser, or Escort. It would be nice to see some ships that aren't clearly defined in any specific category to break up this ship virtual-clone madness.
Without trying to sound like a broken record, I am still boggled by the institutional pushback on the part of cryptic for deploying an Ambassador starship model. I understand that they wanted to deploy distinct models first, but this forced them to become slaves to their already limiting starship tier-model.
It's no secret that their current lead designer, Jam Jamz has little love for the Amby. I'm sure he'd
do a Bret job with it ( even though the Galor phaser array is STILL inaccurate graphically...)
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That'd work really nice , and be a good counterpart to the excelsior
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If anything, that setup should go to Galaxy... but since Cryptic hates Galaxy Class, I wouldn't be surprised if all cruisers had better setup.
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If they add teh Ambassador, why not as a Skin for the Excelsior or Galaxy?
Or.. maybe.... we could get some more original ships ;3.
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Total screentime not even 10 minutes...what?
Totally arbitrary number anyone?
Besides, what about the Nova?
The Prometheus?
The Olympic?
The Galaxy-X?
All appeared in even less episodes that the Ambassador class.
If you wanna throw arbitrary criteria for why ship x is ludicrous, why not pick something that's not countered by the fact that there are ships that don't fit those criteria aready in this game?
Oh BTW, "Yesterday's Enterprise" was in the "TNG Viewer's Choice Marathon" back in '94 which featured the 5 most popular episodes from that show.;)
Lesser fame and popularity? I don't know if I would say there is any. Only one with less screen time is maybe the Enterprise B...but its also a Excelsior class vessel which is a very known and perhaps popular vessel.
Like someone on the first page said there was hardly ever any Ambassador class ever seen in the shows. Every single class of ship that the Enterprise was had more screen time.
Well, I think the ludicrous part of the post you originally responded to was more about the anacronism that is the NX in this game.
So I still don't quite get how an anacronism is less ludicrous than a lack of screentime.
It just feels like you made a very strange leap of...logic?;)
And no, I didn't say you said it shouldn't be in.
So don't say I said you said it shouldn't be in.:P
Now? two plus years later it is still being asked for? the only reason I think they are holding off on its release and yes, I believe it is fully modeled and done, is because they are going to release it with playable Romulan Ships in a New FE that would feature the Ambassador Ship and Romulans.
So? when will that be? who knows?
I'm certain Stahl will have something planned for Ambassador. When he declares the Ambassador will be launched IF and only IF every possible ship ever designed, has been brought into the game by STO season # 77. When he finally says that's his plan....that's when I'll believe him.
I believe they were a little more generic and said it will feature in a story mission.
season 7 will have story content, it just wont be in the FE format, so we could very well see the ambassador in season 7, just in a slightly different way that we might expect.
Hmmm... no I, by now, expect it to not look quite right... just like some of the other iconic ships... but hey, it is STO brought to us by Cryptic... :P
I just want the da*m ship. Any variant. Hopefully someday the Devs will listen. Doubtful...but perhaps...you just never know.
i would actually say more like 2 years for the next FE.
the next FE will come around with Season 7 so probably somewhere in the middle between 7 and 8, then you can calculate another 1 - 1.5 year for the FE after that.
the joke here is, in the F2P conversion Mr. DeAngelo ( aka EEPH ) told us in one of his Blogs that there would be 3 FE's a year, people went mad about the low number, he said he thought that 3 sounded like "Epic Win" to him...
then they tell us that they think about completely scrapping the idea and now we are back to 1 FE every year or so.
so... if the Ambassador is hold back for some future FE or Mission...
as a Reward? ...which will end up in the C-Store anyway...
that will be at least another 2 years. if it is even the FE after this one, which i highly doubt.
On the other hand, it does not require to be a comple FE, just a single mission (like Alpha) would be fine AFAIK.
It becomes ludicrous when you consider the Ambassador Class is built during the 24th Century (50 years pre-STO), and the NX Class is built during the 22nd Century (250 years pre-STO). I know they call the NX Class in the game a "replica", but the design itself is still 250 years old.
The Akira Class is the 24th Century "NX Class", there was no need to make a 25th Century "replica" of the NX, other than fan-service.
Luna Class: Only shown in novels, not canon.
Vesta Class: Only shown in novels, not canon.
Olympic Class: Shown in 1 episode, in an alternate future created by 'Q'
Galaxy-X: Shown in 1 episode, in an alternate future created by 'Q'
One could argue both the novels, and alternate future timelines, should both be considered "non-canon". Other ships like the Prometheus and Nova Classes had even less screen-time than the Ambassador Class, and yet they've been a part of the game since launch. Your definition of how long time the Ambassador Class was seen on screen, is rather arbitrary, especially considering there was 1 TNG episode centered around an Ambassador Class (Yesterday's Enterprise).
I guess the Devs don't care about screen time. They just HATE the Ambassador Class period. Since the game is flooded with Cruisers already (by only Cryptic's own fault), I wouldn't mind seeing a Science Variant Zhukov, a Cruiser 1701-C, and perhaps a new 2409 variant. Like the Odyssey had 3 variants. Tac, Sci, and Eng.
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Easy solution. Just make it T3.75
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All cloaks should be canon.
Kind of would like to see more Sci ships (if Sci didn't currently suck after they nerfed it to death)...would like to see a few more Escorts yes...but....I'd like to see "Hybrid" ships. I'm getting sick of Sci, Cruiser, or Escort. It would be nice to see some ships that aren't clearly defined in any specific category to break up this ship virtual-clone madness.
It's no secret that their current lead designer, Jam Jamz has little love for the Amby. I'm sure he'd
do a Bret job with it ( even though the Galor phaser array is STILL inaccurate graphically...)