ill believe it when i see it. so far i havent seen anything except minor issue fixes (that sometimes... mostly break other things when they get fixed) A for effort on that.
my biggest concern is what kind of **** they'll release between now and then that will keep pushing back pvp further and further.
at least this time his promise of a better tomorrow isnt tomorrow. its a year from now.
the speed, turn and high firepower of the Defiant make the battle cloak redundant. there is no situation were such a fast ship is better off battle cloaking then it is evasiveing away if its in trouble. this is true on a bop too. the defiant only needs a cloak to set up an attack, any cloak will do there
Actually I was posting on the hypocracy of complaing about the BC on the BoP but the asking for it on the Defiant, as many have both complained and subsequently asked in the past.
I hold no illusion that the Defiant needs it.
Actually I was posting on the hypocracy of complaing about the BC on the BoP but the asking for it on the Defiant, as many have both complained and subsequently asked in the past.
I hold no illusion that the Defiant needs it.
and im saying nether ships need it! so you might as well give it to both ships, it basically doesn't mater!
What makes battlecloak redundant more or less is the availability of speed buffs. I'm the only one who thinks its stupid that you can easily have higher speed with buffs than you have with full impulse ?
Imho if it would be not possible to run away so quickly, battlecloak would be much more powerful.
But this is just one of the many ilogical things in STO I rather do not think about. This game lacks caps and diminished returns, which allows to bypass it's natural limitations.
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The only thing that will get me engaged more with pvp in STO, would be compelling incentives. I want to have a reason to fight. I want to have a reason to improve. I want to have a reason to win.
Although I'm an advocate of PVP is rewarding in itself, PVP would certainly benefit in the short and longer term with greater incentive to play. I've never understood why they don't have a PVP Hour on the daily timeslots with added bonuses. (e.g the mirror universe/dilithium mining hours) And why can't we get any fleet marks from PVPing :'[.
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Originally Posted by mavairo
I know a game with great pvp.
It's called Mechwarrior online. Just finished another stint there.
Keep your Trash Craptic.
It's beautiful.
Its certainly different to STO, Ill be the medium mech behind you shooting ye legs!
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and im saying nether ships need it! so you might as well give it to both ships, it basically doesn't mater!
If I thought or believed for a minute that teh Devs would give back whatever the BoP lost for having a BC, I would agree in a hot second.
Since they can't seem to quantify the handicap that was given the BoP for having a BC then giving it to the Defiant would only make the Defiant more powerful under the "fed-logic" that the BC is a powerful advantage concept, regardless if it is true or not.
If I thought or believed for a minute that teh Devs would give back whatever the BoP lost for having a BC, I would agree in a hot second.
Since they can't seem to quantify the handicap that was given the BoP for having a BC then giving it to the Defiant would only make the Defiant more powerful under the "fed-logic" that the BC is a powerful advantage concept, regardless if it is true or not.
Listen. I can agree NOW that the defiant is more like the raptor after a 1v1 with a person I greatly admire from TSI. However my point still stands. So the proposed course of action for flying a raptor or defiant then is this. When your alpha is up you are to IMMEDIATELY leave combat. Wait until you are out of combat. Cloak. And try an alpha on someone EVERY minute and thirty seconds. Is this the "Klingon" approach to flying the raptor?
I don't have a klingon. I will never have a Klingon. I will never have a Romulan if they ever get a chance to show their ugly faces. So with all due respect Roach. How should I fly my defiant to be more successful in pvp like Klingon players do when flying a raptor? Or do you maybe even have a suggestion on a premade pvp build for the defiant that you can recommend? Because I've almost given up on this ship. Simply because it doesn't have the healing like the other federation escorts and it also can't make up for that lack of healing with the ability to slip into and out of combat like the BP without losing significant dps and temporarily abandoning the team simply to gain a 15% boost to damage for 5 seconds.
Let no other Captain discourage you from what you believe you can achieve in PvP. Debuffs and Disables be damned! Charge up your Backstep and Forge your build out of Lock Boxes, Consoles, and Flash Sales feeding off of only your pure will to chain, spam, and hax your way forward. You will not be forgotten to history.
When your alpha is up you are to IMMEDIATELY leave combat. Wait until you are out of combat. Cloak. And try an alpha on someone EVERY minute and thirty seconds. Is this the "Klingon" approach to flying the raptor?
it's how I do it. One kill every minute and a half is not so bad.
I don't have a klingon. I will never have a Klingon. I will never have a Romulan if they ever get a chance to show their ugly faces. So with all due respect Roach. How should I fly my defiant to be more successful in pvp like Klingon players do when flying a raptor? Or do you maybe even have a suggestion on a premade pvp build for the defiant that you can recommend? Because I've almost given up on this ship. Simply because it doesn't have the healing like the other federation escorts and it also can't make up for that lack of healing with the ability to slip into and out of combat like the BP without losing significant dps and temporarily abandoning the team simply to gain a 15% boost to damage for 5 seconds.
You don't need to run in a defiant with a team with you.... the entire point is to have other people carry your heals.... if your failure in a ship revolves around ONE extra heal... then your team is a complete fail setup... no offense. Your team should be rolling heals on you... and if you are really having issues YOU should be communicating when your heal cycle is low, or when you have no Oh TRIBBLE buttons left. At least until your support ships understand your play style... also if your support ships do less then 1/10th of your dmg you will FAIL vs any premade that has learned that you can't afford to have heal ships not pulling any dps anymore.
TEAM Spike Build
Tac Team 1 - Delta 1 - Omega 1 - Rapid Fire 3
Tac Team 1 - Rapid Fire 1 - High Yield 3
High Yield 1
EPTS 1 - EPTS 2 or RSP 1
Hazards 1 or Polaraized 1 (Hazards with it not working right is the better choice for now) - TSS 2
3 Shield Distro Doffs
2 Projectile Doffs
2 DHC - 2 Quantum Torpedos
3 Turrets
If you really think your squishy... 3 piece borg + maco shield.... if your team is doing what it should be doing Omega shield and deflector + borg engine
If you can't make that work sorry Fire your Team... or yourself.
What makes battlecloak redundant more or less is the availability of speed buffs. I'm the only one who thinks its stupid that you can easily have higher speed with buffs than you have with full impulse ?
Imho if it would be not possible to run away so quickly, battlecloak would be much more powerful.
But this is just one of the many ilogical things in STO I rather do not think about. This game lacks caps and diminished returns, which allows to bypass it's natural limitations.
Not exactly. The order of operations is that when a player fires a weapon the hit or miss is determined @ the time of fire. The damage is @ the time the weapon lands on the target. If you are fired on before you cloak or as you are decloaking you will still get hit regardless if you're cloaked @ the time it lands. If you are cloaked @ the time it lands you are hit w/direct hull damage. It's why people who don't wait before cloaking will die 20+km from whoever shot @ them.
The speed boosts are needed for the run part of hit and run. Even for battle cloaking ships. Fyi, nuking engines and stuns like PSW breaking evasives are ways to prevent escapes.
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Random Quote from Kerrat
"Sumlobus@****: your mums eat Iced Targ Poo"
C&H Fed banter
If your going to run with a stay and stick fed style premade team... the idea of run and cloak is fundamentaly flawed. Leaving your team to absorb focus from 5 ships is not a good idea.
The defiants job isnt' to provide heals in that team its to provide spike... and you MUST be providing enough preasure dmg to properly fill the roll of "ESCORT". You should be changing targets frequently probing for weak spots... creating weak spots... and keeping another team from properly focusing your support ships down....
Its why most klink premades fail as well for that matter... building 2 different philosiphies into on team is a bad idea.... having said that
The defaint IMO is likely the most pure team setup escort fed side.... dirty secret when I have run mine in a premade I dump the cloak unit for an armour one.
Listen. I can agree NOW that the defiant is more like the raptor after a 1v1 with a person I greatly admire from TSI. However my point still stands.
What point? That the Defiant needs a BC? Thats your desire not a point made with evidence to support it. Thats silly. Its a fine ship without it.
So the proposed course of action for flying a raptor or defiant then is this. When your alpha is up you are to IMMEDIATELY leave combat. Wait until you are out of combat. Cloak. And try an alpha on someone EVERY minute and thirty seconds. Is this the "Klingon" approach to flying the raptor
? Nope. The two vessels are all but identical in Stats adn are flown almost the same way. Alpha strike and then loiter in combat until your foe is dead or your lack of defenses means you must retreat to try again. I've been flying a Qin Raptor of late and find that it can stay in combat very much like Defiant and only suffers from the odd rear-alinged turn pivot that it posseses.
I don't have a klingon. I will never have a Klingon. I will never have a Romulan if they ever get a chance to show their ugly faces. So with all due respect Roach. How should I fly my defiant to be more successful in pvp like Klingon players do when flying a raptor? Or do you maybe even have a suggestion on a premade pvp build for the defiant that you can recommend? Because I've almost given up on this ship. Simply because it doesn't have the healing like the other federation escorts and it also can't make up for that lack of healing with the ability to slip into and out of combat like the BP without losing significant dps and temporarily abandoning the team simply to gain a 15% boost to damage for 5 seconds.
The Raptor can't slip in and out of combat iether so I do not understand why you think the Defiant needs a BC to be competitive in PvP.
Run the simpliest of builds.
3 piece Borg (deflector, console, engines)
1 piece MACO shields
2 DHCs
1 Torp
1 DBB
Use keybinds if you are not a clicker style player, or better yet search the forums for Defiant builds or use this guide the Hilbert guide becuase frankly assuming that you need a BC to be a better player is why many are not treating your thread seriuosly.
Or join the Panda cubs, jump on the OPvP chat channel.
Honestly if you are about to give up on the Defiant, its you and not the ship. Have you thought about maybe flying a Fleet escort or some other type of escort instead?
Or better yet, follow Husanaks advice as his experience far outwieghs mine. For the love of all thats Holy though give up the "BC is needed...." belief. If it truelly made that much difference in combat then you would see hundreds of KDF posts asking for it on all our cloaking vessels. Yet you do not.
What makes battlecloak redundant more or less is the availability of speed buffs. I'm the only one who thinks its stupid that you can easily have higher speed with buffs than you have with full impulse ?
Imho if it would be not possible to run away so quickly, battlecloak would be much more powerful.
But this is just one of the many ilogical things in STO I rather do not think about. This game lacks caps and diminished returns, which allows to bypass it's natural limitations.
AMEN !
What the devs misunderstand is that a cloaking device is MASSIVELY power hungry- MAX speed while cloaked is about 1/4 impulse.
...At least is WAS in the pre- B&B trek universe, post B&B is what ST:O has attempted to emulate where anything is possible if it advances the script.
I have to strongly disagree with your suggestion to add a battle cloak to the tac retrofit escort because you have 'just about given up on the ship'.
Considering the Defiant's high capacity for durability/mobility, adding a battle cloak would simply lead to a greatly enhanced tool for kill denial in a ship with a much higher hull than a BoP - any comparison to a Defiant having a battle cloak vs a bird of prey is absurd, the Bird of prey's stats are such that the battle cloak runs a fine line providing a sanctuary or death!
A tactical escort retrofit (or raptor for that matter) with a hypothetical battle cloak would find its usage much less of a problem. With the hull buffer on more durable vessels with battle cloak, it might even be welcome to have a free boost towards an augmented go down fighting buff (it's certainly how I would consider using it).
Interesting how you make no mention of advocating a battle cloak for the tactical escort retrofit's KDF equivalent, the Raptor. Would you truly want to face raptors with battle cloak as well? I know I would abuse the living snot out of a battle cloak augmented raptor, and I already consider myself a pretty formidable escort Raptor pilot in the current state of the game.
It's a terrible game imbalancing suggestion that doesn't need implementation!
And regarding the 'community consensus' regarding agreement with a terrible idea, I don't know what crybabies besides PVEers are advocating your suggestion, there are already plenty of pvp players out there with formidable builds in Defiants. We don't need bad player suggestions borking up the game, PWE already does a good enough job of it with every patch!
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Hei Qin - I.K.S. Apex Revenant -Tactical KDF
Although I'm an advocate of PVP is rewarding in itself, PVP would certainly benefit in the short and longer term with greater incentive to play. I've never understood why they don't have a PVP Hour on the daily timeslots with added bonuses. (e.g the mirror universe/dilithium mining hours) And why can't we get any fleet marks from PVPing :'[.
off topic:
Its certainly different to STO, Ill be the medium mech behind you shooting ye legs!
Nah just certain people. I can smell the rank from here!
I run a heavy, with Flamers. Bring it! :P
Everything about it so far is beautiful.
The graphics, the gameplay (it's all PVP and it's not brain traumatizing to enjoy, and the devs are involved!!!) and the community. And there's so much more to come.
Imagine that, people who love lore/RP AND a challenge.
The graphics, the gameplay (it's all PVP and it's not brain traumatizing to enjoy, and the devs are involved!!!) and the community. And there's so much more to come.
Imagine that, people who love lore/RP AND a challenge.
We already waited our 10 years. But now...
All systems... nominal
Hunchback pew pew.
Yum Yum, Hunchies !
...I've almost recovered from my depression from not receiving a key
Looking at the Founders set myself........will need a better PC though.....money money money..... but hey, I'll spend it when the game demands it backed with qaulity and love.
Why? becuase love is all you need.
Well, Love and a autocannon with some srm-20s.:D
Looking at the Founders set myself........will need a better PC though.....money money money..... but hey, I'll spend it when the game demands it backed with qaulity and love.
Why? becuase love is all you need.
Well, Love and a autocannon with some srm-20s.:D
I'm going to be upgrading my PC to play on max, and I'm going to down the road buy a joystick just because the game is that haxcellent.
If the Devs keep up what they have done so far, then this was worth the 10 year wait. There's so much attention that was put in. The game is in Beta, and it's better stabiity wise, connection holding wise, framerate wise, UI wise than this game is 2 years in.
Oh and get this those of you wondering, it's actually very well balanced and lo and behold it's more fun than STO has been for me in a very very long time. I hope to see most of you there. On either side of my Guns.
I'm already regularly scoring kills, and or making such a nuisance out of myself that my opposition is trying to take me out first again. Cause they can't shoot when I'm hitting em!
I'm going to be upgrading my PC to play on max, and I'm going to down the road buy a joystick just because the game is that haxcellent.
If the Devs keep up what they have done so far, then this was worth the 10 year wait. There's so much attention that was put in. The game is in Beta, and it's better stabiity wise, connection holding wise, framerate wise, UI wise than this game is 2 years in.
Oh and get this those of you wondering, it's actually very well balanced and lo and behold it's more fun than STO has been for me in a very very long time. I hope to see most of you there. On either side of my Guns.
I'm already regularly scoring kills, and or making such a nuisance out of myself that my opposition is trying to take me out first again. Cause they can't shoot when I'm hitting em!
Shhhhhhh... My wallet will hear you and then I'll have to spend at least the $30 to get into the Beta..
You think that your beta test was bad?
Think about this: American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
Shhhhhhh... My wallet will hear you and then I'll have to spend at least the $30 to get into the Beta..
I'm ponying up 60. This Friday. *chants to self* Friday Friday Friday.
Christ I think I'm going to spend the $ tonight. I've already covered my expenses for the month. It's all play money from here till the end of the month at this point...
I'm ponying up 60. This Friday. *chants to self* Friday Friday Friday.
Christ I think I'm going to spend the $ tonight. I've already covered my expenses for the month. It's all play money from here till the end of the month at this point...
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my biggest concern is what kind of **** they'll release between now and then that will keep pushing back pvp further and further.
at least this time his promise of a better tomorrow isnt tomorrow. its a year from now.
Actually I was posting on the hypocracy of complaing about the BC on the BoP but the asking for it on the Defiant, as many have both complained and subsequently asked in the past.
I hold no illusion that the Defiant needs it.
R.I.P
It's called Mechwarrior online. Just finished another stint there.
Keep your Trash Craptic.
It's beautiful.
and im saying nether ships need it! so you might as well give it to both ships, it basically doesn't mater!
i figured if you did come back, it would just be to give us all the finger and to tell us to clean are vaginas
Imho if it would be not possible to run away so quickly, battlecloak would be much more powerful.
But this is just one of the many ilogical things in STO I rather do not think about. This game lacks caps and diminished returns, which allows to bypass it's natural limitations.
Oh I'm on it
See you there
Although I'm an advocate of PVP is rewarding in itself, PVP would certainly benefit in the short and longer term with greater incentive to play. I've never understood why they don't have a PVP Hour on the daily timeslots with added bonuses. (e.g the mirror universe/dilithium mining hours) And why can't we get any fleet marks from PVPing :'[.
off topic:
Its certainly different to STO, Ill be the medium mech behind you shooting ye legs!
Your Ramming Speed III deals 52098 (99235) Kinetic Damage(Critical) to Remus.
I knew my faith was misplaced.
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R.I.P
Listen. I can agree NOW that the defiant is more like the raptor after a 1v1 with a person I greatly admire from TSI. However my point still stands. So the proposed course of action for flying a raptor or defiant then is this. When your alpha is up you are to IMMEDIATELY leave combat. Wait until you are out of combat. Cloak. And try an alpha on someone EVERY minute and thirty seconds. Is this the "Klingon" approach to flying the raptor?
I don't have a klingon. I will never have a Klingon. I will never have a Romulan if they ever get a chance to show their ugly faces. So with all due respect Roach. How should I fly my defiant to be more successful in pvp like Klingon players do when flying a raptor? Or do you maybe even have a suggestion on a premade pvp build for the defiant that you can recommend? Because I've almost given up on this ship. Simply because it doesn't have the healing like the other federation escorts and it also can't make up for that lack of healing with the ability to slip into and out of combat like the BP without losing significant dps and temporarily abandoning the team simply to gain a 15% boost to damage for 5 seconds.
Let no other Captain discourage you from what you believe you can achieve in PvP. Debuffs and Disables be damned! Charge up your Backstep and Forge your build out of Lock Boxes, Consoles, and Flash Sales feeding off of only your pure will to chain, spam, and hax your way forward. You will not be forgotten to history.
it's how I do it. One kill every minute and a half is not so bad.
You don't need to run in a defiant with a team with you.... the entire point is to have other people carry your heals.... if your failure in a ship revolves around ONE extra heal... then your team is a complete fail setup... no offense. Your team should be rolling heals on you... and if you are really having issues YOU should be communicating when your heal cycle is low, or when you have no Oh TRIBBLE buttons left. At least until your support ships understand your play style... also if your support ships do less then 1/10th of your dmg you will FAIL vs any premade that has learned that you can't afford to have heal ships not pulling any dps anymore.
TEAM Spike Build
Tac Team 1 - Delta 1 - Omega 1 - Rapid Fire 3
Tac Team 1 - Rapid Fire 1 - High Yield 3
High Yield 1
EPTS 1 - EPTS 2 or RSP 1
Hazards 1 or Polaraized 1 (Hazards with it not working right is the better choice for now) - TSS 2
3 Shield Distro Doffs
2 Projectile Doffs
2 DHC - 2 Quantum Torpedos
3 Turrets
If you really think your squishy... 3 piece borg + maco shield.... if your team is doing what it should be doing Omega shield and deflector + borg engine
If you can't make that work sorry Fire your Team... or yourself.
Not exactly. The order of operations is that when a player fires a weapon the hit or miss is determined @ the time of fire. The damage is @ the time the weapon lands on the target. If you are fired on before you cloak or as you are decloaking you will still get hit regardless if you're cloaked @ the time it lands. If you are cloaked @ the time it lands you are hit w/direct hull damage. It's why people who don't wait before cloaking will die 20+km from whoever shot @ them.
The speed boosts are needed for the run part of hit and run. Even for battle cloaking ships. Fyi, nuking engines and stuns like PSW breaking evasives are ways to prevent escapes.
Random Quote from Kerrat
"Sumlobus@****: your mums eat Iced Targ Poo"
C&H Fed banter
If your going to run with a stay and stick fed style premade team... the idea of run and cloak is fundamentaly flawed. Leaving your team to absorb focus from 5 ships is not a good idea.
The defiants job isnt' to provide heals in that team its to provide spike... and you MUST be providing enough preasure dmg to properly fill the roll of "ESCORT". You should be changing targets frequently probing for weak spots... creating weak spots... and keeping another team from properly focusing your support ships down....
Its why most klink premades fail as well for that matter... building 2 different philosiphies into on team is a bad idea.... having said that
The defaint IMO is likely the most pure team setup escort fed side.... dirty secret when I have run mine in a premade I dump the cloak unit for an armour one.
R.I.P
AMEN !
What the devs misunderstand is that a cloaking device is MASSIVELY power hungry- MAX speed while cloaked is about 1/4 impulse.
...At least is WAS in the pre- B&B trek universe, post B&B is what ST:O has attempted to emulate where anything is possible if it advances the script.
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
Considering the Defiant's high capacity for durability/mobility, adding a battle cloak would simply lead to a greatly enhanced tool for kill denial in a ship with a much higher hull than a BoP - any comparison to a Defiant having a battle cloak vs a bird of prey is absurd, the Bird of prey's stats are such that the battle cloak runs a fine line providing a sanctuary or death!
A tactical escort retrofit (or raptor for that matter) with a hypothetical battle cloak would find its usage much less of a problem. With the hull buffer on more durable vessels with battle cloak, it might even be welcome to have a free boost towards an augmented go down fighting buff (it's certainly how I would consider using it).
Interesting how you make no mention of advocating a battle cloak for the tactical escort retrofit's KDF equivalent, the Raptor. Would you truly want to face raptors with battle cloak as well? I know I would abuse the living snot out of a battle cloak augmented raptor, and I already consider myself a pretty formidable escort Raptor pilot in the current state of the game.
It's a terrible game imbalancing suggestion that doesn't need implementation!
And regarding the 'community consensus' regarding agreement with a terrible idea, I don't know what crybabies besides PVEers are advocating your suggestion, there are already plenty of pvp players out there with formidable builds in Defiants. We don't need bad player suggestions borking up the game, PWE already does a good enough job of it with every patch!
Zenith Nader - R.R.W. Nader4President - Tactical Rom KDF
Hei Qin - I.K.S. Apex Revenant -Tactical KDF
I know. And the gameplay is so amazing.
Nah just certain people. I can smell the rank from here!
I run a heavy, with Flamers. Bring it! :P
Everything about it so far is beautiful.
The graphics, the gameplay (it's all PVP and it's not brain traumatizing to enjoy, and the devs are involved!!!) and the community. And there's so much more to come.
Imagine that, people who love lore/RP AND a challenge.
We already waited our 10 years. But now...
All systems... nominal
Hunchback pew pew.
Yum Yum, Hunchies !
...I've almost recovered from my depression from not receiving a key
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
I've been playin once a week at a buddies on his rig.
Right now my preferred mech is a very specially built Catapult.
Why? becuase love is all you need.
Well, Love and a autocannon with some srm-20s.:D
R.I.P
I'm going to be upgrading my PC to play on max, and I'm going to down the road buy a joystick just because the game is that haxcellent.
If the Devs keep up what they have done so far, then this was worth the 10 year wait. There's so much attention that was put in. The game is in Beta, and it's better stabiity wise, connection holding wise, framerate wise, UI wise than this game is 2 years in.
Oh and get this those of you wondering, it's actually very well balanced and lo and behold it's more fun than STO has been for me in a very very long time. I hope to see most of you there. On either side of my Guns.
I'm already regularly scoring kills, and or making such a nuisance out of myself that my opposition is trying to take me out first again. Cause they can't shoot when I'm hitting em!
R.I.P
Shhhhhhh... My wallet will hear you and then I'll have to spend at least the $30 to get into the Beta..
Think about this:
American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
Another 24h to get that last 100k or so on KS. Can they do it?
Do it. Do it. Do it.
Do it!
I'm ponying up 60. This Friday. *chants to self* Friday Friday Friday.
Christ I think I'm going to spend the $ tonight. I've already covered my expenses for the month. It's all play money from here till the end of the month at this point...
Do it. Do it. Do it.
Do it!
If it's all play money...
Legendary, Legendary, Legendary!