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armaxarmax Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited August 2012 in Federation Discussion
You keep bringing out stuff in lock boxes when end game needs more quests. There isn't a single quest out there end game where you can actually get an item you can use for end game. Instead of giving us the ships (after spending $400 to $500) how about give us a map that starts a quest. A quest where in the end we find a derelict ship or even have to steal the ship. While we are on lock boxes, the price really needs to drop. There is no damn reason to have to spend 400 or $500 just to get a new ship to try out. It is getting ridiculous you greedy TRIBBLE. It also looks like you keep making the random part harder and harder so people will spend more money on that damn lock boxes. I want to enjoy the game and having multiple ship options is the only way to do it once you have 4 or 5 chars at level 50. Not only do you charge an insanely amount to get the ship, only one char can use it! WTH is that TRIBBLE? Let all our chars use those ships. It's stupid to have it only bound to whatever char you opened it on.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    armax wrote: »
    You keep bringing out stuff in lock boxes when end game needs more quests.
    As STO is FTP the lockboxes are paying for additional game development. The C-Store and Lockboxes are what paid for Season 5 and Season 6 - and they're also paying for Season 7.

    I agree the game needs more "quests" but it also needs money to keep developing things.
    There isn't a single quest out there end game where you can actually get an item you can use for end game.
    The STFs are end-game quests, and you can earn tons of purple end-game items for doing those "raids." Omega sets, MACO sets, etc are all end-game items you earn from doing them.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,891 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    As STO is FTP the lockboxes are paying for additional game development. The C-Store and Lockboxes are what paid for Season 5 and Season 6 - and they're also paying for Season 7.

    I agree the game needs more "quests" but it also needs money to keep developing things.


    The STFs are end-game quests, and you can earn tons of purple end-game items for doing those "raids." Omega sets, MACO sets, etc are all end-game items you earn from doing them.

    When is the last time we had some game development that wasn't tied to making money? Pre f2p pretty much. :(
    Can't have a honest conversation because of a white knight with power
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    lianthelia wrote: »
    When is the last time we had some game development that wasn't tied to making money? Pre f2p pretty much. :(
    When was the last time you went up to your boss and said: "Hey boss! I've decided to work for free this month, so don't bother paying me!" :)

    Of course they want to make money. The industry standard for FTP games is that 10% of the people pay for 100% of the development. Every FTP MMO needs to get the most money they can to continue development - especially in this economy.

    I'm not saying the game doesn't need more Missions. I have hundreds of threads about it, but I also know that if Cryptic doesn't make money we're never going to get anything. And since we have a new Zone and new Missions coming in Season 7 it would seem to be working - just not as quickly as we'd like.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • armaxarmax Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Ah, you mean the missions you have to do over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again to get the level XII stuff? That isn't a mission, its just doing the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. Kind of like lock boxes, you open them over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over to finally get the ship you are trying to get 4 or 500 dollars later. That isn't content and the little content they have added since it went F2P is all directed at making more money and not really adding much for the player. I have a subscription and I buy lock boxes. I've spent enough for 200 of these F2P wellfare losers already. You get no real rewards or benifits for spending that much. A few extra bs slots and such but thats it.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    armax wrote: »
    Ah, you mean the missions you have to do over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again to get the level XII stuff? That isn't a mission, its just doing the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. Kind of like lock boxes, you open them over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over to finally get the ship you are trying to get 4 or 500 dollars later. That isn't content and the little content they have added since it went F2P is all directed at making more money and not really adding much for the player. I have a subscription and I buy lock boxes. I've spent enough for 200 of these F2P wellfare losers already. You get no real rewards or benifits for spending that much. A few extra bs slots and such but thats it.
    You must not play other games, then. There are Raids I've done in WoW over 100 times to earn all the purple gear from them.

    As far as your money hang-up, I haven't purchased any Zen in almost 7 months now and currently have over 15,000 Zen. Between my Stipend and playing I earn around 3,000 Zen per month. That means I can buy Keys and C-Store ships without ever paying a single dime of my own money.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • armaxarmax Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    You must not play other games, then. There are Raids I've done in WoW over 100 times to earn all the purple gear from them.

    As far as your money hang-up, I haven't purchased any Zen in almost 7 months now and currently have over 15,000 Zen. Between my Stipend and playing I earn around 3,000 Zen per month. That means I can buy Keys and C-Store ships without ever paying a single dime of my own money.

    Played plenty of other games and generally quit at the end game. No fun doing the same TRIBBLE over and over. Just start another char or move on to another game. The fun part is doing new quests or finding new things. It quits being fun when there is no longer any thing new to discover or do.

    What is a Stipend and how do you earn Zen by just playing?
  • thoroonthoroon Member Posts: 409 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    I still wait for the MMO where it is possible to get a full load of topendgear playing solo.

    If you really need the Lockboxships (and there is zero reason, except different looks) you can always go the "hyped key"-way. With fresh boxes the market for keys goes through the roof. buy yourself 4-5 packs of 10 keys, sell them on exchange, get the ship for EC (some even trade those directly, helps with EC limit).
    Do Free Zen stuff, cumulate stipends and dilithium.
    If you can be patient, you can have them all, without paying a single buck, just takes time.

    Except for the bugship any lockboxship is buyable from the exchange at a reasonable EC amount.

    I got 2 Orb Weavers so far, paid zero real cash for them. (and ya, I am a lucky TRIBBLE). Sold one and gave one to my wife.
    Yesterday I bought a third one really cheap to resell it later.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    armax wrote: »
    What is a Stipend and how do you earn Zen by just playing?
    A Stipend is a bonus Gold members get: 500 Zen per month.

    You earn Zen by doing Missions (Dailies, STFs, PvP, etc) for Dilithium. You then sell the Dilithium for Zen on the Dilithium exchange.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • armaxarmax Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Oh, I wouldn't notice 500 zen. That isn't even enough to get 1 10 pack of keys. I spend so much Zen on this game 500 is a joke. I also would not make enough Deilithium to keep up with trying to get a lock box ship. And I don't just have 4 or 5 level 50's, I have 7. Just started a new char (Caitian) so will soon have 8 soon. Everyone just seems to focus on one part of the lockbox thing though. It isn't just that lockbox ships are stupidly expensive but they keep coming up with new ways players can waist money instead of adding more end game content. Why not give us a quest where you upgrade your ship, or find a derelict ship then other quests to fix up etc..... Instead of putting all these ships in the lockboxes give us a quest to actually do something end game. All the money we money paying players are investing is going to more ways us money paying players can spend more money instead of adding more content. Not just that point but also the point of hell, we just dropped 4 or 500 hundred trying to get a lockbox ship now let all our toons use it and not just the one toon. I do understand if you have to get 1 for fed and 1 for Klingons (not really) but that should be the limit. We are spending way more money on these lockbox ships that aren't any better then regular Klingon ships (feds ships are not as good as Klingon ones) so at least let all our toons use it.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    First, as I said above, I earn 3,000 Zen per month in total: 500 from my Stipend and 2,500 more from playing. That's enough for me to buy a new C-Store ship each month and Keys - though I don't buy Keys as I have no real interest in Lockboxes.

    Second, as I also said above, Lockboxes make the company money. That money pays for development. We have Fleetbases because Lockboxes paid to develop them. We'll have a new Zone and Missions with Season 7 because Lockboxes paid to develop them. Lockboxes make money, which pays for everything else.

    Third, anyone spending $400.00-$500.00 to get a Lockbox ship is an major idiot who should be sterilized so-as to not pass on their lunacy. :)
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • armaxarmax Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    First, as I said above, I earn 3,000 Zen per month in total: 500 from my Stipend and 2,500 more from playing. That's enough for me to buy a new C-Store ship each month and Keys - though I don't buy Keys as I have no real interest in Lockboxes.

    Second, as I also said above, Lockboxes make the company money. That money pays for development. We have Fleetbases because Lockboxes paid to develop them. We'll have a new Zone and Missions with Season 7 because Lockboxes paid to develop them. Lockboxes make money, which pays for everything else.

    Third, anyone spending $400.00-$500.00 to get a Lockbox ship is an major idiot who should be sterilized so-as to not pass on their lunacy.

    3000 zen wouldn't be enough either if you didn't notice I said I spend 4 to 500 hundred trying to get the lock box ship. 3k zen is what? a $30 shot? Still wouldn't notice it much. Although that would get me a few 10 packs so maybe I would notice it.

    2nd. Yes, I do agree, it makes the company money and allot of it. I am saying if you spend allot on the game there needs to be more of a reward compared to someone who is a cheapskate and isn't interested in the lock box ships. Hell, how can you defend it if you aren't even a person who actually does spend on the lock boxes? You have no room or basis to talk about it.

    3rd how can you brag about how lock boxes make the company money and defend that (yet not spend any money on it yourself) then state someone is an idiot for making the company money? Troll, go post on something you actually have the right to talk about.
  • armaxarmax Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Actually I'll open a new thread on the other 2 points. This thread got focused on the insanely expensive point and missed the other 2.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    armax wrote: »
    3000 zen wouldn't be enough either if you didn't notice I said I spend 4 to 500 hundred trying to get the lock box ship. 3k zen is what? a $30 shot? Still wouldn't notice it much. Although that would get me a few 10 packs so maybe I would notice it.

    2nd. Yes, I do agree, it makes the company money and allot of it. I am saying if you spend allot on the game there needs to be more of a reward compared to someone who is a cheapskate and isn't interested in the lock box ships. Hell, how can you defend it if you aren't even a person who actually does spend on the lock boxes? You have no room or basis to talk about it.

    3rd how can you brag about how lock boxes make the company money and defend that (yet not spend any money on it yourself) then state someone is an idiot for making the company money? Troll, go post on something you actually have the right to talk about.
    If you're spending $400.00+ dollars on Lockbox ships you have a problem. It's a problem you need to recognize and address. There's no Tholian ship worth $400.00 - especially when the game will eventually have a level-cap increase and will go to T6 ships. So you spent $400.00 on a ship that will be obsolete in a year or so.

    It's great that you're making Cryptic money, but spending that much money is also bad for them. It creates a false sense of entitlement in the person spending all that money - and that leads to increased negativity as time goes on. And that turns forums into warzones and creates bad press for potential newbs.

    Everything in life works best in moderation; for you and for Cryptic.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • johnny111971johnny111971 Member Posts: 1,300 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    $400 - $500 Dollars? Really?

    Look I have bought keys, Z-Mart ships, fleet modules, packs, services, etc, etc. Some with Real World money, some by grinded moneys (Dil to Zen).. but have not come even close to that level of expense. And you're talking about spending that much in a matter of weeks?

    Seriously, no ship NO SHIP is worth that type of expenditure... for that matter, with that amount of investment, you should have been able to sell many of the items from the boxes, or purchased with Lobi to purchase the ship you were looking for.

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  • johnny111971johnny111971 Member Posts: 1,300 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    In fact you have to have sold many items... banks and inventory aren't that big...

    Oh please tell me you haven't just been recycling them... :eek: or discarding them

    Star Trek Online, Now with out the Trek....
  • armaxarmax Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    I have been putting them up but no one is buying. I have 8 mirror ships up but not one has sold. There are just too many of everything on the market so started just selling to vendors or discarding. I still have like 10 mirror ships I haven't destroyed yet. I started giving them away. There are only a few items you can get from lockboxes and you get the same junk over and over and over and over. Rarely do you get anything useful. I am still trying to get my escort outfitted with all phased cannons level XII.
  • armaxarmax Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2012
    Oh and I keep getting that stupid single cannon (not the turret) over and over and over. Can't sell those for TRIBBLE either :(
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