i don't think making them as big as they are was a good idea, ship sizes should have peeked with the galaxy and negvar. the game is over saturated with huge slow turning cruisers that have nothing but size based disadvantages with their movement ability, wile smaller ships seem to get movement advantages and no disadvantages.
an odyssey that was only a bit bigger then the sovereign, in a scale like this would have been better.
you could believe it could have an 8 or 9 turn rate, and would be much more fun to use. the current size based extra hitpoints will give you about half a second extra before you die, it makes basically no difference at all
Can we get more choices? That is only 2 ships being called the "Best there is". The KDF ship well I don't like the looks at all, looks very ugly. So my KDF character will be using the Negh'var instead. That is one ship I won't buy. As the Fed ship, it looks decent I can see buying that one. But not at this time since I hadn't reached lv 50 yet on my Fed character. Even then I'm still at at a toss up of the Galaxy Dreadnaught or Odyssey.
Plus "if" everyone ends up with either of these 2. We all will be looking the same. We don't need a fleet of the same ship. That is really boring and dull.
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The only thing that even remotely interests me is the workbee console, but I am certainly not paying 50$ for it. I'd rather buy milk and eggs and bread. Even with a LTS stipend, my zen balance isn't likely to get spent on a ship this expensive that I'll never have any interest in flying.
The Odyssey in my opinion was poorly designed, looking from the top it looks terrible, same with the Atrox, ship designs since F2P have gone down hill even the Federation Escort Carrier is badly designed.
Out of all the new ships I think the Bortas is the best looking imo. But still I don't fly cruisers (only the Galor, Free Bortas, Vorcha and D'Kora), I felt this news post was a lazy way to try and convince people to put more money into the game. Well guess what Cryptic, to make money you need to release new content ie, put money into the game, bring out some more KDF ships and I will fork out the money, I have the Defiant Retrofit and Excelsior and that's all I want on the Federation side. Now if the Jem'Hadar ship was run again I would pay money to get one, tried last time with no luck but a handful of Doff's which wasn't bad.
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jeeze this thread got nasty. the flagships are very powerful, nothing tanks quite as well or is as strong in as many cruiser specific areas.
i expect to see more blogs like this, featuring existing c store content and putting stuff in the spot light. its likely branflakes doing them no no dev seconds were wasted making this or anything.
Bought the Ops Odyssey, its a nice ship, but I wont be buying the others.
The only reason I bought this one was because I wanted a good tank that could maneuver for the fleet missions.
Maybe one day you might make the Gal-R relevant again, one day...
The statement to the Falgships is totally untrue. The Odyssey is good, but the KDF once again got the short end of the stick. The Bortas has by now way the same capabilities as the Federation Odyssey, it is less powerfull in many ways.
If had known how weak the Bortas is compared to thge Odyssey I would have never bought the Bundle.
...so we do olds now instead of news? hmm whatever *shrug*
I bought the Bortas'qu on the last 20% sale, saved 800 C-Points (translates to 1000 Zen).
payed through the dilithium exchange.
i'm proud of it because i EARNED it, and did not just fork over $
Love the Ship ( would love it more if i could have the cool look of turrets with the effectiveness of beams on a Cruiser, going all turrets gimps your DPS... but it looks soooo awesome ;P )
I did NOT buy the Oddysey and don't intend to (you sold to many of those already, every map has at least 5 of them, they all look the same and they are EVERYWHERE, at least do my eyes a favor and release some very much needed Kitbashing options for them, at the pricing they come at they should have come with 3 entirely different looks to begin with anyway).
I did NOT buy the Oddysey and don't intend to (you sold to many of those already, every map has at least 5 of them, they all look the same and they are EVERYWHERE, at least do my eyes a favor and release some very much needed Kitbashing options for them, at the pricing they come at they should have come with 3 entirely different looks to begin with anyway).
Exactly. I absolutely HATE the fact that none of the new ships come with any kitbashing options like the old ones did. At best you can change some colors and maybe the design on them, but they need the ability to appear STRUCTURALLY different (though still recognizable). It just seems that they are so busy getting the Next Cash Grab started that they don't want to put more effort than is necessary into them, meaning no customization options. If Cryptic intends to start rehashing old stuff and passing it off as new then they really do need to update these things. :mad:
And don't even get me started on taking away customization options that were like 300 C-Points for Account unlocks and putting them under 2000 Zen single character unlocks :mad::mad:
Its called advertising. Websites are primarily used for promoting a company's products and services. Even though it may not look like a big deal, some new visitors may find the article to be informative. Articles such as "The Flagships", "Dilithium 101", and "State of the Game" are not meant for veteran players. Cryptic's primary focus has now shifted to new and potential consumers. Nothing wrong with trying to boost revenue.
If I am reading between the lines correctly, the past few weeks may have been rough. As a result of introducing the fleet store and ships, Perfect World may have accidentally broken the c-store. Instead of people burning 2,500 zen on a c-store ship, they may be holding back to save 500 to 1,500 zen. You can now buy a superior ship at a discounted price. If you already own a c-store ship, you can buy its fleet store counterpart for 75% off. Why spend 2,500 zen on another c-store ship? You can just buy another one for 500 zen.
If this is some kind of promo of these ships why not put them on sale for awhile too? They would fly out of here at 2000 zen each or 4000 for the 3 pack.
i don't think making them as big as they are was a good idea, ship sizes should have peeked with the galaxy and negvar. the game is over saturated with huge slow turning cruisers that have nothing but size based disadvantages with their movement ability, wile smaller ships seem to get movement advantages and no disadvantages.
an odyssey that was only a bit bigger then the sovereign, in a scale like this would have been better.
you could believe it could have an 8 or 9 turn rate, and would be much more fun to use. the current size based extra hitpoints will give you about half a second extra before you die, it makes basically no difference at all
but the current size is wrong. the Odyssey has a crew of 2500 while the Assault Cruiser has only 800. so either the Ody is very very crowded, or the model is too small, because of limitations
but the current size is wrong. the Odyssey has a crew of 2500 while the Assault Cruiser has only 800. so either the Ody is very very crowded, or the model is too small, because of limitations
that picture is not to scale, im saying i wish it was because the odyssey in game is too huge, its nacelle is as long as an excelsior!
C-store Odyssey has a superior bridge design. It puts any other bridge to shame. It's truly gorgeous.
C-store Odyssey itself maneouvres pretty slowly, thus negating many of its tank capabilities. I *do* use it, but usually fly it with chevron separation for highly increased moveability.
C-store Odyssey has a superior bridge design. It puts any other bridge to shame. It's truly gorgeous.
C-store Odyssey itself maneouvres pretty slowly, thus negating many of its tank capabilities. I *do* use it, but usually fly it with chevron separation for highly increased moveability.
I can never quite decide on the bridge (and corresponding interior) they're gorgeous, but feel Starbasey rather than Starship - I mean the transporter pad on the bridge just seemed an odd choice. That said, they are rather gorgeous,yeah.
I do agree on the ship pricing, 5000 Zen (or 4000CP for the non-metric amongst us :P) is a lot of money for what is essentially a single ship (the model's the same on all 3) with three consoles. Now do I feel I get my money's worth? Yeah totally, I love it - but I can't help but feel it was a bit of a money grab personally. I'd have been happier by far if it was around 2/3 of the price, maybe 3000 Zen.
That said if you're on the fence? Buy them. They're fantastic.
My "problem" with the $50 pack is that there's "no variety"...
Oh, yeah, they have different consoles and slightly different BOff layouts, but what good is flying a FA-oriented Sci (GW III, DBBs) when the "science" Oddessy is still, at heart, a "turn like brick" cruiser that will make it very tough for me to use these FA abilities...
Respec the three ships some. Give the Sci oddessy buffer shields, less hull, and a better turn rate. Same with the tactical version, give it escort-esque hull / shields / turn. And don't do this via "saucer separation", make these the "base" stat sets. Last thing I need while blasting, say, Donatra, is for my turn rate to take a sudden gimping because the "chevron/saucer" decided to get caught in that thalaron beam and it reattaches itself to me for 5 minutes...
Detecting big-time "anti-old-school" bias here. NX? Lobi. TOS/TMP Connie? Super-promotion-box. (aka the two hardest ways to get ships) Excelsior & all 3 TNG "big hero" ships? C-Store. Please Equalize...
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I purchased the Odyssey Bundle awhile back. I was entirely unimpressed and really felt like I had wasted my money. Its the one purchase i've made (among dozens) that I wish I could return. On the bright side, the bridge for those ships was amazing, best bridge in the game, I wish they'd make more unique bridges for Zen Store ships.
Also while I am thinking about it, being a flagship, there shouldn't be 10,000 of them floating in space.... How can it be a representative flagship when they are everywhere. You can't be a significant representative without some uniqueness and exceptionalism. The exceptionalism goes away when they are made in mass.
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With all due respect, Bran, as part of your "feedback", please keep news to new and important items and issues, and NOT simply promotion for existing Z-Store items.
My "problem" with the $50 pack is that there's "no variety"...
Oh, yeah, they have different consoles and slightly different BOff layouts, but what good is flying a FA-oriented Sci (GW III, DBBs) when the "science" Oddessy is still, at heart, a "turn like brick" cruiser that will make it very tough for me to use these FA abilities...
Respec the three ships some. Give the Sci oddessy buffer shields, less hull, and a better turn rate. Same with the tactical version, give it escort-esque hull / shields / turn. And don't do this via "saucer separation", make these the "base" stat sets.
Way I understood it is, that the sci variant gives an increasing weapons dmg buff the longer you keep your foe targeted (haven't been able to verify this yet, though). But yeah, other than merely switching the console layouts a bit, I too would have preferred to see true 'science-y' stats, like higher shield buffer, and faster turn-rate.
Last thing I need while blasting, say, Donatra, is for my turn rate to take a sudden gimping because the "chevron/saucer" decided to get caught in that thalaron beam and it reattaches itself to me for 5 minutes...
This has never happened to me. When my separated chevron dies, it just sits there, at %0, doing nothing. It never auto-returns to me, though. In fact, I find it cumbersome having to fly to my detached saucer ever so often (which can be quite a distance from where I am myself at the time) in order to check whether it's still alive. Wish its status would appear somewhere on my HUD somehow.
i was previously banned on the old forums because i said that no cruiser should have the sensor anlyasis. i was proven right by multiple people that the SCIENCE version would in the long run do more damage then the TACTICAL versions.
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i don't think making them as big as they are was a good idea, ship sizes should have peeked with the galaxy and negvar. the game is over saturated with huge slow turning cruisers that have nothing but size based disadvantages with their movement ability, wile smaller ships seem to get movement advantages and no disadvantages.
an odyssey that was only a bit bigger then the sovereign, in a scale like this would have been better.
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/9875/enterprisecompare.jpg
you could believe it could have an 8 or 9 turn rate, and would be much more fun to use. the current size based extra hitpoints will give you about half a second extra before you die, it makes basically no difference at all
I don't get it...
Plus "if" everyone ends up with either of these 2. We all will be looking the same. We don't need a fleet of the same ship. That is really boring and dull.
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This.
The only thing that even remotely interests me is the workbee console, but I am certainly not paying 50$ for it. I'd rather buy milk and eggs and bread. Even with a LTS stipend, my zen balance isn't likely to get spent on a ship this expensive that I'll never have any interest in flying.
Out of all the new ships I think the Bortas is the best looking imo. But still I don't fly cruisers (only the Galor, Free Bortas, Vorcha and D'Kora), I felt this news post was a lazy way to try and convince people to put more money into the game. Well guess what Cryptic, to make money you need to release new content ie, put money into the game, bring out some more KDF ships and I will fork out the money, I have the Defiant Retrofit and Excelsior and that's all I want on the Federation side. Now if the Jem'Hadar ship was run again I would pay money to get one, tried last time with no luck but a handful of Doff's which wasn't bad.
I honestly thought somebody zombie'd the original flagship post when I read the heading btw.... :P
Might want to have marketing talk with the design team about making the consoles less terrible than they are.
i expect to see more blogs like this, featuring existing c store content and putting stuff in the spot light. its likely branflakes doing them no no dev seconds were wasted making this or anything.
The only reason I bought this one was because I wanted a good tank that could maneuver for the fleet missions.
Maybe one day you might make the Gal-R relevant again, one day...
Yes! Yes, it was.
Ditto.
If the flagships are being featured, make it a feature SALE. Drop the price on the three pack to 4k for a week.
Watch sales climb.
If had known how weak the Bortas is compared to thge Odyssey I would have never bought the Bundle.
I bought the Bortas'qu on the last 20% sale, saved 800 C-Points (translates to 1000 Zen).
payed through the dilithium exchange.
i'm proud of it because i EARNED it, and did not just fork over $
Love the Ship ( would love it more if i could have the cool look of turrets with the effectiveness of beams on a Cruiser, going all turrets gimps your DPS... but it looks soooo awesome ;P )
I did NOT buy the Oddysey and don't intend to (you sold to many of those already, every map has at least 5 of them, they all look the same and they are EVERYWHERE, at least do my eyes a favor and release some very much needed Kitbashing options for them, at the pricing they come at they should have come with 3 entirely different looks to begin with anyway).
How is this different from my working and paying cash for something?
Exactly. I absolutely HATE the fact that none of the new ships come with any kitbashing options like the old ones did. At best you can change some colors and maybe the design on them, but they need the ability to appear STRUCTURALLY different (though still recognizable). It just seems that they are so busy getting the Next Cash Grab started that they don't want to put more effort than is necessary into them, meaning no customization options. If Cryptic intends to start rehashing old stuff and passing it off as new then they really do need to update these things. :mad:
And don't even get me started on taking away customization options that were like 300 C-Points for Account unlocks and putting them under 2000 Zen single character unlocks :mad::mad:
If I am reading between the lines correctly, the past few weeks may have been rough. As a result of introducing the fleet store and ships, Perfect World may have accidentally broken the c-store. Instead of people burning 2,500 zen on a c-store ship, they may be holding back to save 500 to 1,500 zen. You can now buy a superior ship at a discounted price. If you already own a c-store ship, you can buy its fleet store counterpart for 75% off. Why spend 2,500 zen on another c-store ship? You can just buy another one for 500 zen.
I am only speculating.
but the current size is wrong. the Odyssey has a crew of 2500 while the Assault Cruiser has only 800. so either the Ody is very very crowded, or the model is too small, because of limitations
10k DPS Vesta threads: 1; 2
that picture is not to scale, im saying i wish it was because the odyssey in game is too huge, its nacelle is as long as an excelsior!
C-store Odyssey itself maneouvres pretty slowly, thus negating many of its tank capabilities. I *do* use it, but usually fly it with chevron separation for highly increased moveability.
I can never quite decide on the bridge (and corresponding interior) they're gorgeous, but feel Starbasey rather than Starship - I mean the transporter pad on the bridge just seemed an odd choice. That said, they are rather gorgeous,yeah.
I do agree on the ship pricing, 5000 Zen (or 4000CP for the non-metric amongst us :P) is a lot of money for what is essentially a single ship (the model's the same on all 3) with three consoles. Now do I feel I get my money's worth? Yeah totally, I love it - but I can't help but feel it was a bit of a money grab personally. I'd have been happier by far if it was around 2/3 of the price, maybe 3000 Zen.
That said if you're on the fence? Buy them. They're fantastic.
Oh, yeah, they have different consoles and slightly different BOff layouts, but what good is flying a FA-oriented Sci (GW III, DBBs) when the "science" Oddessy is still, at heart, a "turn like brick" cruiser that will make it very tough for me to use these FA abilities...
Respec the three ships some. Give the Sci oddessy buffer shields, less hull, and a better turn rate. Same with the tactical version, give it escort-esque hull / shields / turn. And don't do this via "saucer separation", make these the "base" stat sets. Last thing I need while blasting, say, Donatra, is for my turn rate to take a sudden gimping because the "chevron/saucer" decided to get caught in that thalaron beam and it reattaches itself to me for 5 minutes...
To rob a line: [quote: Mariemaia Kushrenada] Forum Posting is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever. However, opinions will change upon the reading of my post.[/quote]
Also while I am thinking about it, being a flagship, there shouldn't be 10,000 of them floating in space.... How can it be a representative flagship when they are everywhere. You can't be a significant representative without some uniqueness and exceptionalism. The exceptionalism goes away when they are made in mass.
completely agree its just a shame that captlogan didn't do or get a chance to do the rest of the ship's interior
Way I understood it is, that the sci variant gives an increasing weapons dmg buff the longer you keep your foe targeted (haven't been able to verify this yet, though). But yeah, other than merely switching the console layouts a bit, I too would have preferred to see true 'science-y' stats, like higher shield buffer, and faster turn-rate.
This has never happened to me. When my separated chevron dies, it just sits there, at %0, doing nothing. It never auto-returns to me, though. In fact, I find it cumbersome having to fly to my detached saucer ever so often (which can be quite a distance from where I am myself at the time) in order to check whether it's still alive. Wish its status would appear somewhere on my HUD somehow.
i will never buy these ships.