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Anti-social nature of STO and how to change it
captainbrady
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Hello everyone. I'm sure everyone here who's in a fleet has a solid group of guys they can do STFs and other PvE/PvP missions with and it's generally fun right? However we have also seen this scenerio too. There's alwayssome guys who joined the fleet, and they sit there like potted plants. They never say hi in chat, they never want to do any missions of any type, and only want to do their own thing. Sort of defeats the purpose of being in a fleet doesn't it?
I suspect the reason is that from the beginning, the game doesn't encourage teamwork of any type at all, or at least not before level 44. From the beginning you do the episodes with just yourself and your boffs. The problem with this is that when you have no incentive to do
the content with others, most people are creatures of habit and just continue on doing their own thing. In fact once you've hit level 44, you don't even need to join a fleet to do STF as you can PUG it the whole time.
Now here's a slightly more social solution that I've heard WoW does (source one of my fleet members who played WoW nonstop). When you do episodes,
the computer matches you with other players. If you work well together, you can keep on working together. Supose these guys become friends, they can then form a guild. Alternatively, if one of the members is already in a guild(fleet) that person can invite the non-member to the "guild" (fleet). Sure we could keep the boff option in as fillers, but I suspect if there were a matchmaker element then people would do content together.
Now the predicted results of having a team forming system for episodes.
1)Forming a fleet or growing a fleet would be far easier. No more need to have absurd spamming in the zone chat.
2) Members of fleets would be far more pro-active as players become accustomed to playing with others.
3) People gain genuine friends
4) The incidence of bank raiding and other dishonest activity would be reduced as growth wouldn't be on inviting any random Tom, ****, or Harry.
Just my 2 cents. What do you think?
I suspect the reason is that from the beginning, the game doesn't encourage teamwork of any type at all, or at least not before level 44. From the beginning you do the episodes with just yourself and your boffs. The problem with this is that when you have no incentive to do
the content with others, most people are creatures of habit and just continue on doing their own thing. In fact once you've hit level 44, you don't even need to join a fleet to do STF as you can PUG it the whole time.
Now here's a slightly more social solution that I've heard WoW does (source one of my fleet members who played WoW nonstop). When you do episodes,
the computer matches you with other players. If you work well together, you can keep on working together. Supose these guys become friends, they can then form a guild. Alternatively, if one of the members is already in a guild(fleet) that person can invite the non-member to the "guild" (fleet). Sure we could keep the boff option in as fillers, but I suspect if there were a matchmaker element then people would do content together.
Now the predicted results of having a team forming system for episodes.
1)Forming a fleet or growing a fleet would be far easier. No more need to have absurd spamming in the zone chat.
2) Members of fleets would be far more pro-active as players become accustomed to playing with others.
3) People gain genuine friends
4) The incidence of bank raiding and other dishonest activity would be reduced as growth wouldn't be on inviting any random Tom, ****, or Harry.
Just my 2 cents. What do you think?
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Donate Brains, zombies in Washington DC are starving.
Unless of course they are getting angry or raging at someone over healing, dps or aggro.
Youve probably seen the number of threads around talking about the horrible horrible quality of pick up groups in STFs. I imagine youve been in a number of STF groups with really terrible people. Why do you think that would be any different if they were 30 or 40 levels lower?
If I already have to go through the "chore" of leveling up a character I dont want to be forced into groups with clueless nimrods as well. Thats just overkill.
Nobody's actually talking about "forcing" you to work with anybody. As I said you can still use boffs as a filler, which would mean an off switch. I find the system doesn't quite work, and believe me if there was a matching system I would create a new toon, have that toon join the fleet and recruit the fun way. i.e. making friends.
One other point I forgot to make. Yes I have been in some "horrible horrible" PUGs, however I've been in some that really kicked butt, and that is to be commended. Think about it, even if everyone is competant in a PUG, you only have seconds to decide which role each person will do, and the rest is all improvision. I've been in some PUGs where we completed Khitomer in 9 minutes, cure space in 10, and infected in 8. Wouldn't it be nice to be able to have the option of staying in that group again? I think it would. I think it would also be fantastic to PUG a few episodes and if you work well together, you may just have made friends. Of course if you still want to be alone, we can switch it off. Each his own.
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not a bad idea..
They'd need a redesign for that idea to work. Such a redesign wouldn't be a bad idea, but it's such a big job I can't see it being done.
That said, I'd still quite like to see more encouragement for teamplay during levelling, though, so people have some scope for learning to work in a team environment before they hit level 45. Adding an "STF-style" mission or two every 10 levels that's properly designed in terms of enemy difficulty, puzzles, tactics etc, for teamplay that links to the story of the relevant 'front', would be a helpful addition. It could also, when it comes in, double as end-game content for long-term players who are already have several level 50 characters.
As already pointed out, the story line missions are not designed for multiple players or teams... they can be done of course as a team, but not designed that way. Having STF style missions through-out the leveling process is a great idea.
Star Trek Online, Now with out the Trek....
In theory it sounds great, but unless they slowed down advancement rather a lot, no one would bother with them.
If you look at other games where this is the reality due to ongoing raises in the level cap, you will find the older events get ignored. People simply advance to the top where the majority of the population is as fast as they can and play the top events.
To: Skhc
I didn't consider the issue with the dialogue boxes
To: Johnny
I totally understand what you mean with getting the lower ranks involved. It was far worse last season because there was literally no team content. I suggested having some of my officers lead missions in Kerat with the lower ranks so that the lower ranks can farm and practice some PvP. Still that's not the same and it gets boring quickly. The fleet missions are good because lower ranks can participate, but there should be more PvE that pays out more than fleet marks.
One thing I would like to add is something that allows teams to vote to stay in a team after the PvE is over. First if all it's annoying to have to keep reforming the team, even if you're in the fleet, and second, sometimes you get a good PUG. What if I'd like to keep working with the same guys? I've been in some PUGs that finish STF in record time. If there was at least a prompt where you could vote to stay (instead of automatically breaking the team after you leave the system), you could do more PvE missions together. Who knows this could be how new fleets/friendships are started?
This would be a really good idea. Frankly I don't understand why they have the auto-breakup.
Every Trek series has been about 1 ship and crew. How exactly is it a surprise that many players prefer to play that way?
I see the forced teaming as the failure, not the tendency for solo play.
I like playing both alone and as a team. If they took away the ability to play alone, Cryptic will have ticked off a lot of players. You will find that both single-players and team-players like to have their alone time. Playing independently is good for your mental health. Its gives you time to reflex on your personal growth, and it allows you to escape the bitter politics of team conflicts.
People who are inclined to team can team now without impacting those players who prefer not to.
Sorry if you don't like running into pug members who don't know how to play, but forcing people to team up earlier doesn't gaurantee that players will improve. Simply forcing people to be in a team doesn't mean that they will improve just because they are exposed to other players.
Never a good idea to force play-styles or groups onto people. If people want to play alone, that is their business.
If you want to address a problem that is in dire need of solution - figure out how to make players who are Captains and Admirals to stop bringing Mirandas and freighters into Fleetmark missions. Two panda's pulled that this morning, and their response when the others in the group complained was "don't like it? don't pug." People who play in pugs don't deserve to have their queue time invalidated by team jerks. Hope they don't represent the majority of pandas. If they do, I don't want anything to do with teaming.
You couldn't be more wrong. I'm a fleet founder and I have a close group of people I play with. What I don't enjoy is some of the people who join my fleet and never even say "hi". Granted this is the minority, but if you're going to be a potted plant, why accept a fleet invite? Fleet membership implies some socialization. By the complete ignorance displayed in your post, I'm going to assume that everything of what you said was written only to get a reaction and therefore containing no validity whatsoever.
By your post, it appears you need to work on your reading comprehension skills. I never said anything about "forcing" anybody to do anything. I said that the nature of this game doesn't leave very many opportunities for team play until level 44. Do you understand me so far? I said there needs to be more options to find people to play with as a team, besides randomly spamming chat and asking people to play an episode. I furthermore said that this "option" should play a larger role in the game. I'm sorry for the confusion, but by the way you write I assume you're an English native speaker, and therefore would have far better English comprehension skills. Obviously I was mistaken.
Again where exactly did I say forced teaming? If you can point to where I said forced teaming (as I said leave the doff system in place), then I'll give you a million energy credits. Exactly. I want the option of being able to do more team content at lower levels, that's it! Nothing more. As for your point about Star Trek being about 1 person and their ship, that's super, but it doesn't fit the MMORPG model. If everyone just wants solo games, then by all means, let's convert the game into a console game, just like the old fashioned RPGs.
Didn't say you did, that is purely my personal thought on the topic. Thanks for the bitchy attitude though.
And your right, the Star Trek one ship and crew philosophy that we've have seen on screen for so many years doesn't work well as an MMO. I have to wonder why the powers-that-be thought it would.
"You couldn't be more wrong ..."
"Work on your reading comprehension skills ..."
I would have joined in, and probably enjoyed the discourse. Some nice ideas were being tossed around. Then Mister Brady had to go and act like his is the only idea worth having. Calling out other posters as wrong and uneducated (reading skills).
Here's a hint. Insulting people and shutting down ideas rather than encouraging actual discussion is no way to go through life. You want people talking about your idea, letting many ideas flow and shape the thing.
Your approach, Mister Brady, is just rude and dismissive.
I am sorry I ever opened your thread.
Have a nice life being mean and crappy to people.
Please, get down the soap box.
You sir, sound like a bad fleet founder, you send invites to people without telling them what you expect from them by joining and you insult them behind their backs on forums by comparing them to potted plants.
Have you talked with that individual privately? he may have a reason why he doesn't interract. He may be shy, not be fluent in english, have his chat window closed, etc.
Did he ask to be in your fleet or just accepted the invite you sent? You do know you can kick him out of your fleet if he isn't up to your standards, right?
Also, fleet membership doesn't implie anything at all, there are no general Terms of Services when joining. Unless you talk with them and explain what it implies to join YOUR fleet. FYI, there are fleets whose sole purpose it to stop receiving fleets invites.
You wish to have a fleet made of friends, good for you, but not everyone who plays STO is looking to make new friends. With S6, being in a fleet has some advantages, just because one doesn't want to say "hi" to people he doesn't know or care about, doesn't mean he shouldn't be able to enjoy the benefits of being in a fleet. Once again, feel free to kick out your "potted plants" fleeties, they are plenty of fleets open to players without any forced socialization. But you won't do it, afterall, you probly need the fleet marks more than their greetings, am I right?
But the idea is sound and a great idea.
I agree that would be awesome, the whole STF system needs updating and changing anyway so why not add a feature like that at the end before anyone in the team can be allowed leave where they're given the option to play again as a team with no cool down.
lol what?
talk to them, grab their handles, and create a private lobby and invite them or be lazy and just team up with them and queue up.
seriously. you've just went from pug to premade.
just join the elitestf channel
STO doesn't have an anti-social nature, it's just a lot of neckbeards play MMOs. Human interaction is kryptonite to some people for some reason, I guess it doesn't help that people want to be Captain James T Bond Kirk.
My reading comprehension skills are fine, thanks. Yours? Not so much. I didn't quote you nor refer back to your OP. Why do you assume I was addressing you?
Self-important much? :rolleyes:
Good to see you are working on your sarcasm skills, thou. Keep trying, Sparky. You'll get there.
Read the posts that you didn't author and you'll (probably) be able to figure out who I was addressing. Just because you start a thread doesn't mean it revolves around you.
What about you and some of your officers making some low level alts and use them to team up with your lower level fleeties to help them along?
You build up camaraderie, team/fleet spirit and you get to experience the lower level content all over again!
Also, with your low-level alt, you could use the already in game feature of open-teaming through the content not necessarily for grooming future fleeties but for making new friends.
You can also suggest this to your newer low-level fleeties as a way to encourage them to team.
First of all I don't "random invite people". Second I didn't name names, and yes I have attempted to contact persons like that and come up with the best solution, via fleet chat, pm, and private email. To ignore that is beyond rude. If you lack the basic social skills to say "hello" to someone then I'm sorry you are an anti-social person. Clearly people like that don't want to be in the fleet. Every fleet has at least someone like that. Whatever their reason is, isn't really relevant. They don't want to be there, logical step, when all else fails, kick. Seriously I'm not going to have a bunch of guys busting their behinds building a starbase, then have someone suddenly come alive only when they want something at the end. I have no ego, and don't need to get into a "who's longer than whom" contest when it comes to fleet roster. I would rather have 20 guys who want to be there, than a 1000 guys who do nothing together. Kindly get off your morality soap box as I haven't given enough detailed information to make an accurate judgement.
Hey thanks to you and everyone for side stepping the issue which was how to improve the game, not how YOU think I'm an immoral person.
That's actually a great idea, and we've done some of that. One of the only unfortunate things about STO is how fast and easy you get experience. Honestly I wish i could have a toon just as like a training toon that wouldn't up in rank. I have kept my old ships around so i can help out some of the junior members. I let them invite me to a squad, then i "match their level". This way they don't get overwhelmed by the enemies. Still one ranks very very quick in this game. I'm usually maxed out before I finish the Romulan content, which is way too fast.