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matteo716maikai
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pvp has been promised quite a bit over the past 2 years and has almost nothing to show for it.
when are we gonna actually get some of the stuff we've been promised?
the list includes but is not limited to-
new maps (no new maps in almost 2 years)
balance passes/considerations (all the pay to win stuff has completely ruined this possibilty)
a revamp of the pvp system in general (was mentioned an elite team was at work on this and mention it was in the works by gozer. then he left and nothing has been said)
weekly pvp updates (the last one was mid june)
leader boards (promised and told was finished almost 2 years ago but never got added)
new pvp game modes (mentioned several times over the years but nothings ever come of it)
"season 6 is all about pvp!" (was said by dstahl) last i checked you cant even get fleet marks in pvp in any shape or form.
just wondering...
when are we gonna actually get some of the stuff we've been promised?
the list includes but is not limited to-
new maps (no new maps in almost 2 years)
balance passes/considerations (all the pay to win stuff has completely ruined this possibilty)
a revamp of the pvp system in general (was mentioned an elite team was at work on this and mention it was in the works by gozer. then he left and nothing has been said)
weekly pvp updates (the last one was mid june)
leader boards (promised and told was finished almost 2 years ago but never got added)
new pvp game modes (mentioned several times over the years but nothings ever come of it)
"season 6 is all about pvp!" (was said by dstahl) last i checked you cant even get fleet marks in pvp in any shape or form.
just wondering...
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I don't anymore.
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It was about fleets.
There is a pvp revamp in the works, but the dev in charge of that left recently, so who knows what's going on there.
there was an "open" pvp map on tribble once, escort raid or somthing. was there on tribble for a week or 2 then went away and has never been heard from again.
back before we were season 6 was about fleets dstahl said 6 was going to be pvp focused. i dont have the thread off hand (since the bloody forum change) but there was a thread in the pvp section that has a complete list of every thing said that was comming to pvp.
also, pvp revamp in the works... yes they said that, and then the dude left and now nothing has been said. not even a "yes we're still working on the revamp" just out right nothingness. they also said during last years last FE that a pvp map was in the works, then earlier this year more pvp maps were in the works. we still dont have any pvp maps.
sure, season 6 is about fleets now, yet pvp (which arguably is a fleet thing more then a solo thing) has absolultly now rewards of fleet credits or fleet marks, which would make sense for it to have at least marks as a reward.
-feels extremely neglected-
There is no broken promise here, just a prime example of their usual disclaimer ("plans change") being quite true.
Other than that, it is a list of valid concerns. Carry on.
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If you say so. I don't remember any announcements since season 5 that season 6 was gonna be about pvp.
The only thing I've seen recently was that Gozer was working on a pvp revamp.
A complete redesign.
I know that everyone else can complete a whole redesign of a complex system in one week, but you're gonna have to be patient.
Also, they mentioned it in the last Ask Cryptic http://sto.perfectworld.com/news/?p=603951
"Q: (robinsonfamily) With Gozer leaving, will the PvP project he was working on still receive the same level of commitment? Can we expect an announcement from Cryptic Studios regarding PvP and who will now lead it?
Dstahl: While I?m sad to see Gozer go, we have an amazing array of new content designers, such as Mr. Dods (Alpha, Starbase Incursion, Starbase Alert) who will be continuing the work on PvP as we move closer to the redesign of the system. We expect the updates to PvP to happen on our Test Server first and will not be going Holodeck until the PvP community has had ample time to provide feedback. We know that this will take some time, whether Gozer was working on it or not. Fortunately, the work already done is still there and will be continued. I wish Gozer the best in his future endeavors, but if you are worried his departure is going to slow down content production, it will not. We?ve hired several new content designers and the content team is rock solid. We will continue to make great content, such as what you are seeing in Season 6. "
You were never "promised" that.
In fact, you were "promised" that you will NEVER get that.
Or soon(tm)
pvp numbers will continue to dwindle due to lack of development, and pvp development will continue to dwindle due to lack of numbers.
When they finally close the doors on pvp, they will say its for a lack of pvp players, but not mention that it was due to a lack of development which led to the lack of players.
The question of whether gozer would have remained if he had been given the authority to do what he needed to do to make pvp more fun will always be wondered but never confirmed. We do know that gozer knew how out of balance the TRIBBLE they've released over the past year is, but has lacked the ability to change these mechanics. Cant help thinking he's jumping off a sinking ship...
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Joking........
But we will probably see something new for PvP around the time hell freezes over...
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Dont be so negative. Thats my job....lol
On a serious note, baring in mind games like Mech Warriors Online will be coming online, what are your plans Cryptic to retain players especially PVPers? Or is your plan to just hopefully loose us completely and that way your systems team get away with the half baked efforts they come out with. One of the things Gozer discovered for himself as well and said it. A developer saying this about his own company is definately not a good sign at all.
Devs also indirectly saying things along the lines of "i didnt realise abilities could stack like that" just lends to my argument that the systems team dont know what their creating or aren't bothered full stop. Look at the major TRIBBLE ups that have been spotted on tribble, not addressed, and released to holodeck. (Off hand the escort carrier in stf's).
yeah right. mwo is open beta 12 days? Its too late to do anything about that now.
If they had any plans of doing anything for pvp, I doubt they would keep it to themselves. Then again, they've yelled it from the rooftops before just to turn around and ****-can it I guess. I've been saying "give them the benefit of the doubt" for way too long. fool me once shame on them, fool me for >2yrs, well Im an idiot by now I guess....
From what I remember the PvP thread the devs opened up lasted about 5 posts before its all flames toward the Dev that was going to tackle the mess that PvP is due to neglect.
Then that dev left. (and I'm sure he's really going to miss the "love" the pvp folks gave him).
Considering Cryptic is really willing to give PvP the death penalty and scrap it. You'd think the PvP folks would be nicer to Devs but the community isn't. So you can add me to the pile of folks who won't be sad if they do pull the plug on PvP. Because all I've seen from the PvP community is anger, bitterness and venom.
Is it really worth saving? I'd love to hear some positives of PvP and why I should give a damn about it.
Well after 2+ years of saying one thing after another and then getting nothing its really not
surprising there is so much "Bitterness and Venom".
Maybe just maybe if they actually did a few things they actually said we the PvP community
may become a little nicer but at this point IMHO they should be the ones to make the
first move...
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we won't. Even if we would it ll be too little too late
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Please take a number and get in line behind the KDF Players. Complaining about a lack of content and broken promises happens to be our shtick.
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Wait and see .... Maybe they will remove the handcuffs from Dstahl and he will do another engineering report... One can hope, Although can we still trust to hope realy. :P
S6 wasn't bad and honestly, its broad enough to have been a good choice and I've enjoyed it so far, but on the KDF side I felt I've been pushed to level 50 and really want a richer PVE experience from level 1. Am I alone? Stats never tell a full story, usually as to why. "Lies, damn lies and statistics".
Romulan faction maybe coming, but form will it take? Neither the KDF or Romulan will ever be as popular as the Fed's for various reasons, however there should be ways to make it more interesting and inviting.
How else can STO attract and retain new players? Why did previous
Cryptic is one of the few companies I've seen stretch the truth so visibly and they change their minds so constantly.
In certain ways the slate is somewhat clean, I'd give it another year or so to really see what they can do, the past two or so years have been difficult for them and the last year alone would have involved a lot of re-structuring due to PWE.
I'm sorry....but, are you surprised?!?!?! really? Come on...really??? Nope! I am not...specialy after having played this pile of.......pay to win/dress up barbie/theme park online for so long.
NONE of their promisses were ever kept...(unless its TRIBBLE store related)...I'm still waitting for the full solar system they promised in season 1.1....so, yeah.
Nough said, peace!
R.I.P
Yes!! Yes!! 5 fleet marks per PvP match to a maximum of 15 so it matches the "Thinning the Hive" missions and flows with the do 3 of 3 PvP missions we already have in the game.
R.I.P
i remember quite recently devs were basically saying us pvp'rs have no idea what we're doing and if we die its because we probably didnt spec right.
(he didnt say those excat words but heavly implied that if a pvp'r is having a problem he needs to learn to play) yet we never see the devs in pvp so they dont even know what kind of game they've created in that reguard.
the dev that left actually got quite a bit of love from the community... until it was found out he was leaving (for whatever reasons) and it had the feeling that we had been led on once again with talks of "pvp is going somewhere" to only lead to nowhere.
hell... i just want a new space map! its been over 2 years and nothing! and with season 6 how hard would it have been to throw in some fleet marks for pvp matches? even if its only the cap and hold ones? (fluff- the cap and hold map could be on the outskirts of your starbase and needs defending!)
NOPE! nothing.... and this "new" guy who's working on things... hasnt even stopped by in the forums to say hello.
the old guy had started a weekly pvp thread (which wasnt really all that weekly) why cant the new guy at least stop by and say "hey doodz working on what gozer was, will get back to you soon!"
something like that would go a long way to easing concerns that pvp is getting the shaft again.
(at least they said flat out the klingons basically were not going to get anything but they keep saying pvp is a top priority for them and pwe) ....
-sighs- if only there was another star trek game i could go play
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Matteo, just because you brought this up your gonna be put in the dungeon by our new PWE overlords
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