Keep in mind that the lock boxes were also regulated by CBS Studios' wishes that the ultra-rare ships remain ultra-rare and not commonly accessible by any player. If they tell Cryptic to jump, Cryptic's only response is to ask 'How high?'. If CBS Studios doesn't want a T5 Connie in the game, a T5 Connie doesn't get put in the game. If they want lock boxes in the game, Cryptic puts lock boxes in the game. There doesn't need to be any logic involved -- they own the license, they set the rules however rational or irrational they may be.
One minor point here... CBS might be able to tell Cryptic "no lockboxes" if they had been so inclined, but they can't tell them "put lockboxes in there" since that's not part of the IP that CBS owns and licenses.
CBS can veto stuff related to the property, but they can't dictate how PWE runs their business.
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CBS isn't the reason for the lockboxes, PWE is. CBS is a convenient excuse, and nothing more. CBS didn't want some ships available to just anyone, true, but PWE needed some reason for people to want to buy the keys for the lockboxes and told CBS they could all win if CBS allowed those ships to only be available via lockboxes (CBS wins because not everyone can get the ships, PWE wins because they get their cash grab lockboxes). The problem I have with CBS is that it is obvious they don't care what Cryptic/PWE are doing to the franchise. I for one will be very wary of any Star Trek games that come out in the future. Unfortunately I'm a lifer here so I won't just get up and quit, but I guarantee I won't spend another cent on this game as long as this BS continues.
I think I need to clarify my statement, because it was a little muddled. You're right. PWE is behind the lock boxes as a whole -- but the jackpot is the ultra-rare ship. That in of itself is where CBS really comes into play. While I don't condone gambling, and consider it shady and even unethical -- I can't ignore the facts that gambling has been a guaranteed way to make a lot of money with very little risk involved since the dawn of human civilization. While the financial rewards are reaped -- the social costs are as well, and we have seen to no small extent just what those social costs entail in STO. Obviously PWE is okay with paying the social cost by having a game of chance in their titles, even if I don't agree with it.
I also can't ignore the fact that with STO being moved to an f2p setting, there are a lot of players who contribute nothing financially to Cryptic. This is okay with me -- free is awesome, and free stuff is always welcome. But they do need to make their money. While I don't like gambling, the lock box games are bringing income on a level Cryptic never had before.
You're a lifer, you've paid your dues. And I honestly don't blame you one bit for refusing to spend another cent on this game, and I can see your reasoning behind it.
One minor point here... CBS might be able to tell Cryptic "no lockboxes" if they had been so inclined, but they can't tell them "put lockboxes in there" since that's not part of the IP that CBS owns and licenses.
CBS can veto stuff related to the property, but they can't dictate how PWE runs their business.
You're right. I'm clarifying my statement that CBS Studios is not behind the lock boxes as a whole, just the ultra-rare ships involved in them.
While I do think the other variants would be great (I do like the Excalibur), it'd allow a T5 Connie into the game. Cryptic Studios could just remove the Connie variant -- but I think that'd just anger players even more since a lot of players do want the T5 Connie, and a Fleet Cruiser retrofit would just make things worse if it hit the game without a Connie skin.
That is some of the worst logic I've ever heard. There are currently 2 groups who are angry about this issue: those who actually want a T5 connie and those who simply want a T5 excalibur. Adding the excalibur to the fleet store would actually remove one of those 2 groups, and the people who want the T5 connie are already mad anyway. People who dont care about a T5 connie arent going to get mad about a T5 excalibur, so its not like there are going to be any new people getting mad who arent already mad. Again, absolutely terrible logic. In fact, its the kind of nonsense I'd expect the guy in your signature to come up with.
That is some of the worst logic I've ever heard. There are currently 2 groups who are angry about this issue: those who actually want a T5 connie and those who simply want a T5 excalibur. Adding the excalibur to the fleet store would actually remove one of those 2 groups, and the people who want the T5 connie are already mad anyway. People who dont care about a T5 connie arent going to get mad about a T5 excalibur, so its not like there are going to be any new people getting mad who arent already mad. Again, absolutely terrible logic. In fact, its the kind of nonsense I'd expect the guy in your signature to come up with.
Controlled risk. One of these groups are signifigantly larger than the other. There's a difference between being mad and being punched in the face when you're already mad to begin with. There is no upper-limit to dissatisfaction. You can be dissatisfied, extremely dissatisfied, and any numerous shades of unhappy.
If the people wanting a T5 Connie are already mad, then offering a Fleet Cruiser Retrofit in the store minus a Connie skin would be punching them in the face when they're already angry.
They could put a T5 Excalibur in the store and it would satisfy that group, and I would be a part of that group. But I also believe in 'majority rules', for better or for worse. And I don't think Cryptic wants to anger the people wanting a T5 Connie any more than they are already. It's not like they go out of their way to tick them off on purpose. Maybe they feel it's better to not have it at all? I don't know. I don't work for Cryptic. I don't know what logic (if any) went into the decision.
But I do know one of these groups are much, much, much larger than the other... and I wouldn't want to anger them some more just so I could satisfy the smaller minority group.
As reported earlier, there is a bug that won't let you do *any* customization of the fleet ship unless you bought the lower tier version (and by any customization I mean change windows, colors, bridge, not the ship skin).
But I do know one of these groups are much, much, much larger than the other...
You dont know jack. What you guess and what is actually true are two completely different things. And according to Cryptic, the forums dont actually represent the playerbase. So just because you may see a certain issue discussed more than another here on the forums does not mean it actually represents a larger group of the playerbase. We've seen plenty of KDF discussion since launch, yet they are still the minority faction by far. This is just more of your terrible logic.
You dont know jack. What you guess and what is actually true are two completely different things. And according to Cryptic, the forums dont represent the playerbase. So just because you may see a certain issue discussed more than another on the forums does not mean it actually represents a larger group of the playerbase.
The Constitution is an iconic ship of Star Trek. It was the original Enterprise.
The Excalibur/Vesper/Exeter is not. They're Cryptic-made designs that exist solely in the game.
One of these things is beloved, and more recognizable than the other. If you really, honestly, truly believe that the number of people loving Cryptic-designed ships outmatches (or is even ambiguous) over the iconic ship of James T. Kirk (even if it was the refit from the TOS movies), then I really don't know what to say to you.
I won't say you're wrong, because you're right -- I don't know for a fact.
The Constitution is an iconic ship of Star Trek. It was the original Enterprise.
The Excalibur/Vesper/Exeter is not. They're Cryptic-made designs that exist solely in the game.
One of these things is beloved, and more recognizable than the other. If you really, honestly, truly believe that the number of people loving Cryptic-designed ships outmatches (or is even ambiguous) over the iconic ship of James T. Kirk (even if it was the refit from the TOS movies), then I really don't know what to say to you.
I won't say you're wrong, because you're right -- I don't know for a fact.
We're not talking about people who simply like the connie, we're talking about people who want a T5 connie. If you have actually read the T5 connie threads that have popped up in the past you would know that there are plenty of people who actually like the connie who DONT want to see a T5 version of it. Even more terrible logic.
ah who knows why there isn't a fleet T2 cruiser yet or otherwise. it could be because of the "no T5 connie" CBS rule or it could be the same reason why we don't have an ambassidor class in game.
I would suggest that the question might be better placed in the next ask cryptic
We're not talking about people who simply like the connie, we're talking about people who want a T5 connie. If you have actually read the T5 connie threads that have popped up in the past you would know that there are plenty of people who actually like the connie who DONT want to see a T5 version of it. Even more terrible logic.
And the forums don't represent the majority of the playerbase. You said that yourself. I'm still going to give the benefit of the doubt that the people who want a T5 Excalibur/Vesper/Exeter do not outnumber the people who want a T5 Connie. Based simply on the fact it's an iconic ship, and the ship of Kirk.
But I'm done with this argument. You have your opinions, I have mine. I don't think we can persuade each other to think otherwise.
Ok, this is getting more and more and more annoying each day. This CDN thing that STO/Cryptic/PWE is using for hosting their images is broken more often than it is working. I'm not getting any images for their sites now... which is EXTREMELY. FRUSTRATING. Especially when we've got devblogs like today's, and all I see is nothing but a bunchofbrokenimages (not even a background image or header)
Please for the love of all that is sacred, someone get the web team to find a DIFFERENT SOLUTION because the one they're using doesn't work.
And yes, this seems to be only for PWE related sites, and no, I'm not script-blocking anything.
Geko, less talk about Seasonal updates that showcase new ways to bleed the player base dry of money and content value - put some time into solving so many BALANCE problems that YOU are causing with the consistent ship TRIBBLE coming out.
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Thanks for taking the times to write a comprehensive explanation about this. We should see more detailed posts like this. It would be nice to also have another detailed post about Fleet Starbases (expansion on the pre s6 teaser) in much more detail.
Funny seeing the people complaining about the size of the post. Normally we see complaints that there is not enough information, or things are not explained enough in detail. I suppose you can't please everyone :rolleyes:
If people stopped to constantly ask for it i'm sure it would have stayed in the fleetyard. But many players want it so badly they would be stupid not to put it in the c-store. Wait. In a month or two you'll probably see it in the store for a good amount of real money.
lmao that is jsut stupid :rolleyes: if more players are asking for it mostly likely it will come out first hence why people have been asking for it and hence why it is on the top of the list among others ships on the list the devs have to be released. We were told it will be out by now and it isn't. Plus I hope it comes with a ship costume of 2.
Hey Captain Geko (or any dev, really) would you care to explain why the Fleet Assault Cruiser is still missing? And if it's not coming out "soon" could you at least tell us why the middle of your dev blog has a picture of an Assault Cruiser in the Imperial costume?
So after reading the blog, I'm still a bit confused.
If I want to go get the ship from one of the ship vendors, besides helping my fleet get the shipyards leveled to the appropriate level and have the required fleet credits/fleet ship modules, do I also need to make sure the fleet has enough Fleet Ship Provisions in the shipyard? Or do the Fleet Ship Provisions make it cheaper and/or allow us to get around using a fleet ship module?
Sorry if this seems simple to everyone else, but I understood everything else from the blog just not the Fleet Ship Provisions. Heck when you go to the ship vendors (at least the way it was a couple/few days ago) the only criteria they list are the amount of fleet credits/ship modules and the level of your fleet's shipyard. I haven't seen anything about provisions being needed to purchase fleet ships until now.
Would not buy any of these ships period. The extra console slot is not worth the $20 you want for a single character unlock. Also I advise anyone thinking of getting any of the paid for retrofits to ses if there is a cstore version first. If so buy that instead and save some money!
All these are, are just old ships rehashed with a new skin that probably took 5 mins to alter the look of the maco shield into a ship skin, gave them an extra console slot and buffed the shields/hull by some margin not even worth talking about, and then you want us to rebuy them back in a maximum profit minimum effort move?
Seriously, you can not be serious!
Where is our discount for the costumes you took out of the cstore and then resell them back to us as fleet ships even though I already own all of them?
Thanks for the summary. One thing I'm a bit confused about...I read somewhere that we would have Fleet Light Cruisers (like the Miranda) and Fleet Light Escorts (NX class). Can I assume those plans were cancelled and/or inaccurate?
We were told multiple times in multiple places this would not be the case from the very start, yet there were some people who kept spreading the rumor we would because they simply refused to read any of the provided links stating otherwise.
So that post left me with three Fed questions, one KDF error, and one recently realized KDF suggestion.
Fed Questions:
When can we expect to see the Fleet Advanced Escort in shipyards?
Will the Fleet Advanced Escort be able to use the M.V. console?
Will the M.V.A.E provide a discount for the Fleet Advanced Escort?
KDF Error:
The Fleet Ning'tao Retrofit is listed as Norgh, and has Norgh as the only costume (Shipyard does show it as Ning'tao, and has the Ning'tao costume by default).
KDF Suggestion:
Add a Norgh Retrofit, and turn the Fleet Ning'tao Retrofit into a Fleet Norgh Retrofit. This would keep the ship consistent with all the other S6 Retrofits (none of which unlock a costume).
Add in a Fleet Hegh'ta or Fleet B'rel Retrofit to fill in the need for a Fleet version of a T5 BoP.
So after reading the blog, I'm still a bit confused.
If I want to go get the ship from one of the ship vendors, besides helping my fleet get the shipyards leveled to the appropriate level and have the required fleet credits/fleet ship modules, do I also need to make sure the fleet has enough Fleet Ship Provisions in the shipyard? Or do the Fleet Ship Provisions make it cheaper and/or allow us to get around using a fleet ship module?
Sorry if this seems simple to everyone else, but I understood everything else from the blog just not the Fleet Ship Provisions. Heck when you go to the ship vendors (at least the way it was a couple/few days ago) the only criteria they list are the amount of fleet credits/ship modules and the level of your fleet's shipyard. I haven't seen anything about provisions being needed to purchase fleet ships until now.
thanks in advance.
Shipyard must be at appropriate level and stocked with provisions. Provisions don't make it cheaper -- they are *required* to get the ship. In order to purchase the ship it takes up 1 provision and 200,000 fleet credits for a "regular" version or 20,000 fleet credits *and* 1-4 fleet modules if it's a "Fleet" ship. It's 4 fleet modules ($20) unless you already own the C-Store Tier 5 version which reduces it to 1 fleet module ($5).
As for the cost of these ships as per-character unlocks -- yes, they're expensive, but less so than lock box ships that were Cryptic's first attempt at testing character unlock ships. ($20 is ~16 master keys)
What my subject line said... I can understand not having a Tier 5 TOS constitution, but what about the refit? And the other two models that came with it?
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I'm quoting this in here b/c apparently there is no response in the support forums about this topic:
And yes, this seems to be only for PWE related sites, and no, I'm not script-blocking anything.
I get this too, using firefox. Loaded the page up in chrome just fine. But no images in FF for me... get an error 400 if I try to view the image directly.
Well I won't' be spending any more money until Crypitc or PWE or whoever deals with the game fixes the bugs with KDF lore and the Second Wave mission it is getting to the point where I cannot even be bothered to play the game because of this so if it is not resolved soon then it will be bye bye STO and I'll go on to another better game as there is plenty more out there.
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Well I won't' be spending any more money until Crypitc or PWE or whoever deals with the game fixes the bugs with KDF lore and the Second Wave mission it is getting to the point where I cannot even be bothered to play the game because of this so if it is not resolved soon then it will be bye bye STO and I'll go on to another better game as there is plenty more out there.
And the forums don't represent the majority of the playerbase. You said that yourself. I'm still going to give the benefit of the doubt that the people who want a T5 Excalibur/Vesper/Exeter do not outnumber the people who want a T5 Connie. Based simply on the fact it's an iconic ship, and the ship of Kirk.
But I'm done with this argument. You have your opinions, I have mine. I don't think we can persuade each other to think otherwise.
I love the Connie, the Movie connie to me is the best looking ship of all the ships in Star Trek, but as much as i love it, i don't want to see a T5 version of that ship, and any true star trek fan knows why we can't have a T5 connie...BECAUSE THEY WERE PHASED OUT. TNG, and DS9 you never saw a connie...well you did when they went back in time but during the war no connnies, plenty of Miranda's that got blown up with one shot, but no connies. STO already pushed its luck by having the Connie in the game, so i can't see it being a T5 ship, and i hope they dont, but i would not mind if they put the Exeter as a T5 cuz that ship is pretty good looking, and looks better then TMP connie in the game we have, cuz it looks nothing like the connie we seen on screen.
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One minor point here... CBS might be able to tell Cryptic "no lockboxes" if they had been so inclined, but they can't tell them "put lockboxes in there" since that's not part of the IP that CBS owns and licenses.
CBS can veto stuff related to the property, but they can't dictate how PWE runs their business.
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I think I need to clarify my statement, because it was a little muddled. You're right. PWE is behind the lock boxes as a whole -- but the jackpot is the ultra-rare ship. That in of itself is where CBS really comes into play. While I don't condone gambling, and consider it shady and even unethical -- I can't ignore the facts that gambling has been a guaranteed way to make a lot of money with very little risk involved since the dawn of human civilization. While the financial rewards are reaped -- the social costs are as well, and we have seen to no small extent just what those social costs entail in STO. Obviously PWE is okay with paying the social cost by having a game of chance in their titles, even if I don't agree with it.
I also can't ignore the fact that with STO being moved to an f2p setting, there are a lot of players who contribute nothing financially to Cryptic. This is okay with me -- free is awesome, and free stuff is always welcome. But they do need to make their money. While I don't like gambling, the lock box games are bringing income on a level Cryptic never had before.
You're a lifer, you've paid your dues. And I honestly don't blame you one bit for refusing to spend another cent on this game, and I can see your reasoning behind it.
You're right. I'm clarifying my statement that CBS Studios is not behind the lock boxes as a whole, just the ultra-rare ships involved in them.
That is some of the worst logic I've ever heard. There are currently 2 groups who are angry about this issue: those who actually want a T5 connie and those who simply want a T5 excalibur. Adding the excalibur to the fleet store would actually remove one of those 2 groups, and the people who want the T5 connie are already mad anyway. People who dont care about a T5 connie arent going to get mad about a T5 excalibur, so its not like there are going to be any new people getting mad who arent already mad. Again, absolutely terrible logic. In fact, its the kind of nonsense I'd expect the guy in your signature to come up with.
Controlled risk. One of these groups are signifigantly larger than the other. There's a difference between being mad and being punched in the face when you're already mad to begin with. There is no upper-limit to dissatisfaction. You can be dissatisfied, extremely dissatisfied, and any numerous shades of unhappy.
If the people wanting a T5 Connie are already mad, then offering a Fleet Cruiser Retrofit in the store minus a Connie skin would be punching them in the face when they're already angry.
They could put a T5 Excalibur in the store and it would satisfy that group, and I would be a part of that group. But I also believe in 'majority rules', for better or for worse. And I don't think Cryptic wants to anger the people wanting a T5 Connie any more than they are already. It's not like they go out of their way to tick them off on purpose. Maybe they feel it's better to not have it at all? I don't know. I don't work for Cryptic. I don't know what logic (if any) went into the decision.
But I do know one of these groups are much, much, much larger than the other... and I wouldn't want to anger them some more just so I could satisfy the smaller minority group.
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You dont know jack. What you guess and what is actually true are two completely different things. And according to Cryptic, the forums dont actually represent the playerbase. So just because you may see a certain issue discussed more than another here on the forums does not mean it actually represents a larger group of the playerbase. We've seen plenty of KDF discussion since launch, yet they are still the minority faction by far. This is just more of your terrible logic.
The Constitution is an iconic ship of Star Trek. It was the original Enterprise.
The Excalibur/Vesper/Exeter is not. They're Cryptic-made designs that exist solely in the game.
One of these things is beloved, and more recognizable than the other. If you really, honestly, truly believe that the number of people loving Cryptic-designed ships outmatches (or is even ambiguous) over the iconic ship of James T. Kirk (even if it was the refit from the TOS movies), then I really don't know what to say to you.
I won't say you're wrong, because you're right -- I don't know for a fact.
We're not talking about people who simply like the connie, we're talking about people who want a T5 connie. If you have actually read the T5 connie threads that have popped up in the past you would know that there are plenty of people who actually like the connie who DONT want to see a T5 version of it. Even more terrible logic.
I would suggest that the question might be better placed in the next ask cryptic
And the forums don't represent the majority of the playerbase. You said that yourself. I'm still going to give the benefit of the doubt that the people who want a T5 Excalibur/Vesper/Exeter do not outnumber the people who want a T5 Connie. Based simply on the fact it's an iconic ship, and the ship of Kirk.
But I'm done with this argument. You have your opinions, I have mine. I don't think we can persuade each other to think otherwise.
And yes, this seems to be only for PWE related sites, and no, I'm not script-blocking anything.
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Clearing cache fixed this issue for me (I use Chrome).
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the site works ok on internet explorer 9 ... might be google chrome i say this only to point the support people in the right direction
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Funny seeing the people complaining about the size of the post. Normally we see complaints that there is not enough information, or things are not explained enough in detail. I suppose you can't please everyone :rolleyes:
lmao that is jsut stupid :rolleyes: if more players are asking for it mostly likely it will come out first hence why people have been asking for it and hence why it is on the top of the list among others ships on the list the devs have to be released. We were told it will be out by now and it isn't. Plus I hope it comes with a ship costume of 2.
So after reading the blog, I'm still a bit confused.
If I want to go get the ship from one of the ship vendors, besides helping my fleet get the shipyards leveled to the appropriate level and have the required fleet credits/fleet ship modules, do I also need to make sure the fleet has enough Fleet Ship Provisions in the shipyard? Or do the Fleet Ship Provisions make it cheaper and/or allow us to get around using a fleet ship module?
Sorry if this seems simple to everyone else, but I understood everything else from the blog just not the Fleet Ship Provisions. Heck when you go to the ship vendors (at least the way it was a couple/few days ago) the only criteria they list are the amount of fleet credits/ship modules and the level of your fleet's shipyard. I haven't seen anything about provisions being needed to purchase fleet ships until now.
thanks in advance.
To get the fleet Corsair retrofit I still need to get 4 ship modules...
All these are, are just old ships rehashed with a new skin that probably took 5 mins to alter the look of the maco shield into a ship skin, gave them an extra console slot and buffed the shields/hull by some margin not even worth talking about, and then you want us to rebuy them back in a maximum profit minimum effort move?
Seriously, you can not be serious!
Where is our discount for the costumes you took out of the cstore and then resell them back to us as fleet ships even though I already own all of them?
We were told multiple times in multiple places this would not be the case from the very start, yet there were some people who kept spreading the rumor we would because they simply refused to read any of the provided links stating otherwise.
Fed Questions:
When can we expect to see the Fleet Advanced Escort in shipyards?
Will the Fleet Advanced Escort be able to use the M.V. console?
Will the M.V.A.E provide a discount for the Fleet Advanced Escort?
KDF Error:
The Fleet Ning'tao Retrofit is listed as Norgh, and has Norgh as the only costume (Shipyard does show it as Ning'tao, and has the Ning'tao costume by default).
KDF Suggestion:
Add a Norgh Retrofit, and turn the Fleet Ning'tao Retrofit into a Fleet Norgh Retrofit. This would keep the ship consistent with all the other S6 Retrofits (none of which unlock a costume).
Add in a Fleet Hegh'ta or Fleet B'rel Retrofit to fill in the need for a Fleet version of a T5 BoP.
As for the cost of these ships as per-character unlocks -- yes, they're expensive, but less so than lock box ships that were Cryptic's first attempt at testing character unlock ships. ($20 is ~16 master keys)
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I get this too, using firefox. Loaded the page up in chrome just fine. But no images in FF for me... get an error 400 if I try to view the image directly.
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I love the Connie, the Movie connie to me is the best looking ship of all the ships in Star Trek, but as much as i love it, i don't want to see a T5 version of that ship, and any true star trek fan knows why we can't have a T5 connie...BECAUSE THEY WERE PHASED OUT. TNG, and DS9 you never saw a connie...well you did when they went back in time but during the war no connnies, plenty of Miranda's that got blown up with one shot, but no connies. STO already pushed its luck by having the Connie in the game, so i can't see it being a T5 ship, and i hope they dont, but i would not mind if they put the Exeter as a T5 cuz that ship is pretty good looking, and looks better then TMP connie in the game we have, cuz it looks nothing like the connie we seen on screen.