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Caitian Atrox Carrier vs Tholian Recluse Carrier

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  • resoundingenvoyresoundingenvoy Member Posts: 439
    edited July 2012
    There is also the point the stalker having a turret for it's main gun doesn't do wonders for it's DPS. (I'm not sure why they fitted a fighter with a turret ...)

    I still smile when I see a min/maxed defiant refit speed away to ~15-20K and unable to recloak because it still has a few fighters on it spamming anti-proton sweeps. If there is such a thing, I think of them mainly as the tanks of the fighter world. For the first ten or so seconds they have stealth, a +defense boost, and sensor jam going for them.

    The Atrox it's self? I call it my big blue brick and am merely not screaming unhappy with it. It's a huge shiny target in PvP, and can't turn which means someone can park off a shield facing. I was very much looking forward to a refit for it.
  • mali44mali44 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    i am sure they will add atrox,kar'fi and other zen ship like they did with heavy escort carrier ..for 1 or 2module if u have 4 if u dont..its just matter of time till pwe realize they will benefit from it..and beside all those fleet+tholians ships are better then zen ones now..so who will gonnna buy those zen one anymore pwe?
  • talientalien Member Posts: 712 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    It always makes me laugh when people say "If you think the Atrox sucks it's because you're using it wrong".

    I'm sorry, having to use a specific set of consoles and BO abilities to make a ship "good" doesn't really work. I can take my Vo'Quv and have it be effective with at least 3 different configurations, and the fact that it can equip cannons and use evasive/AP:O/aux to dampeners to reposition adds at least 2 more that I haven't bothered trying simply because I prefer beams on it. That and the BoP Raider pet is FAR superior in terms of damage output and tanking ability to anything Fed carriers have, Stalkers look good on paper but perform rather poorly in practice aside from a few pvp situations where they're keeping someone from cloaking, most situations you'd be better off with Peregrines or Danubes.

    Of course, if you want to compare the Atrox to a KDF Carrier you'd have to compare it with the Kar'Fi as it's also a Cstore ship. I'm not even going to bother listing what's superior about it over the Atrox, as it should be apparent simply by looking at the stats for both of them.

    I'm really having a hard time seeing the selling point of the Atrox aside from "If you want a Fed Carrier it's your only choice." And yes, like so many other people who bought one, I regret doing so as I get better performance and more fun out of any other T4/T5 ship I have.

    I don't have a Recluse and don't plan on getting one so I don't really have anything to say about it.
  • splitboysplitboy Member Posts: 152 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    @Talien
    pretty much a identical summery of what i did post one page up.

    But still The ATROX ZEN-Store Ship or not just has to compete with the Vo'Quv.
    The Armitage is more the middle ground between Kar'Fi and Orion Marauder.

    So still the ATROX only has to compete with a BG/RA ship when it is a LG/VA level one it does not compete well, the Vo'Quv comes out ontop of it.

    And most of it is just the missing Frigate Pet.
    While all KDF pets atleast stay equal in DPS as advanced versions.

    FED pets loose or stay the same for example the Deltaflyers upgrade equips transphasic a clear drop in overal DPS from the none advanced photon torps.

    Or the Typ 8 shuttle upgrading to Typ 10 it makes just no diffrence they get shreded with PH1 as with PH2 plus they don't have anything besides their single array making them one of the worst Carrier pets in all of the game.

    So Still my point stays not the recluse is OP the ATROX is just medicore at best.
    And it takes a hard work to make it work at peek compared to KDF Carriers that are actualy fun to fly.
  • mali44mali44 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    atleast they should add 10th console to each zen ship(LG,VA)....if they dont want to add some extra hull or shield capacity..sigh.for example look at bortas and fleet negh'var..negh will have more hull then him..more shield capacity.. and 10th console just like bortas..and yeah turn rate is way better then bortas..so lol...zen ships are useless...most of them anyways...i just hope pwe u will do something about zen ships..bcz they are just in shadow right now.
  • lostmoonylostmoony Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    all zen ships have to get a massive upgrade to make any sense if you compare it to fllet ships the other big prob kdf get from my side 0 interessting ships in fleet version so waste 4 modules "20$" for a crapship what get finaly 300 more hull ? rofl?

    its over all a big joke and to this rarrier nice that you bring out a epic carrier in lobi shop but make 1 day afther realese a emergency maintance only to nerf this ship massivly, thats very fast support but on wrong side tons of bugs in game but you waste your resorces to nerf a new ship from the first day , and not fix any real gamebug:/

    and why no advance pets in dil store?
    in nerfing from pets you are really fast, why not bring out in the same speed the new pets?
  • talientalien Member Posts: 712 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    The advanced hangar pets are in the dil store, they're under ship equipment>hangars.
  • shapeywhelmshapeywhelm Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    talien wrote: »
    The advanced hangar pets are in the dil store, they're under ship equipment>hangars.

    No advanced tholian pets at this time.
    can't even re-buy the standard ones like you can the atrox if you dismiss them.
  • talientalien Member Posts: 712 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    That's true, and it is something that should be addressed. It wouldn't be hard to only allow people to buy them if they own a Recluse, you can't buy the advanced Stalkers unless you own an Atrox afterall.
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    No advanced tholian pets at this time.
    can't even re-buy the standard ones like you can the atrox if you dismiss them.

    Its probably because regular Hangars are uncommon and advanced Hangars are rare. With the tholian widow fighter as a rare, then if there is an advanced version, then it would only be available when Tier V Science is achieved through the Fleet Starbase system. That is the level that grants very rare hangars.
  • shapeywhelmshapeywhelm Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    starkaos wrote: »
    Its probably because regular Hangars are uncommon and advanced Hangars are rare. With the tholian widow fighter as a rare, then if there is an advanced version, then it would only be available when Tier V Science is achieved through the Fleet Starbase system. That is the level that grants very rare hangars.

    no the tholian fighters are only "rare" in colour, before the patch added them in, on tribble linking them, people on the live server saw them as green/uncommon

    All green fighters are going to be pushed to blue, and blue to purple (the tholian fighters and the atrox ones have already had this done) the rest of the fed side carrier pets have not.

    KDF side all of their EC (previously green) fighters are now blue, and all dillithium variants are now purple.
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