Fixed? Even those common power generators are better now, because they give basically the same benefits 24/7 and not only when you shoot someone.
that was a bit of sarcasm. fixed in my opinion would be no more then 4 stacks taken from 1 person, with a total of 8 possible +energy stacks on yourself from fireing on multiple people
Way to go Cryptic, it's broken now. Since todays patch Plasmonic Leech only procs once, which means it gives the owner a marginal +1 (+2 with full flow capacitor skill) to all subsystems. Now it's entirely worthless.
Oh comon guys, if you watch a Startrek tv show and 5 bad guys show up to pop down one target, guess who is scr*w*d (and don't get help from PWE)? Go figure, but nooooo sir! Here is Mr Q (aka: PWE) playing the big holy saver for those who can't stand their loose. A bit nerve down, fine, but this nerve is scr*wing your module.
And so another module is completely scr*w*d up we'd payed real money for. What's next? Release a party popper ship/module wich buff up you're toilet flush and that will be nerved down to , till it's warming up the seat only?
Sure, i'm gonna spend a lot more money on the C store *not*. Way to go! This is starting to like more and more on how Bigpoint is scr*wing their paying costumers with it's online games like Battlestar Galactica. :mad:
Oh comon guys, if you watch a Startrek tv show and 5 bad guys show up to pop down one target, guess who is scr*w*d (and don't get help from PWE)?
In all Startrek I've seen, the one ship bein outnumbred is usually a fed ship, and after pumping some power into the powerlinks and then emergency power into the backup systems, and then full warpcore power to the phasers, routed through the bridge consoles, the 5 badguys are usually limping home while cursing the day they set out to fight the federation!
So is this what you would like to see in STO? One fed ship trumps everything?
Sigh I agree it needed it's nerf from stacking on one player it only procing once is a joke. It's amazing how many people are going thank god yet when something else they use breaks they cry like babies. So plasmonic leech got it's correct nerf and broken at the same time. Way to go ****** devs. Start breaking things most players pay for see how future p2w ships with consoles like this sell now. You just the precedent that anything you release in the future can and will be broken. You think that's gonna effect your future TRIBBLE store sales you effin *******?
I'm absolutely baffled by these people who thought that because they'd paid for plasmonic leech, it didn't matter that it was completely borked. I'm not sorry to see it going, to be honest.
If only this were the start of a trend for these consoles. Imagine if AMS/Grav Pulse/Danube Tractors and the like all lasted for only one second to go along with the new one stack of leech. It would be great.
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Just make it's gain equal to MACO's if you're near max in flow cap, and 5 if not but hitting w/5 weapons ie 1-2 gain per weapon hit w/max of 5.
Same w/drain, but resistable.
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I'm absolutely baffled by these people who thought that because they'd paid for plasmonic leech, it didn't matter that it was completely borked. I'm not sorry to see it going, to be honest.
I have no issue with any of the consoles if they workwd smartly.
My point is: you DON'T get what you payed for. I'd payed for that ship AND the console, and now it's totally worthless.
Okay here is how I read this post, you bought a ship for a console you knew was bugged. As did MANY other players. You all had a good run with this bug, now it it was patched. Whether or not it was overly nerfed is up for debate, but it needed a nerf for sure.
There are MANY ships with not so worthwhile consoles, this is just part of the game. You still have your ship, you buying it for a bug is both your fault and the fault of cryptic, but things need to get fixed. Just like Maco Shield was fixed, and I still think maco shield's power conduit link is adding too much power. But it is by far no where near Plasmonic Leech.
My point is: you DON'T get what you payed for. I'd payed for that ship AND the console, and now it's totally worthless.
LOL and you think you are the only one ? many ships and their consoles were screwed over the patches. Hell the noobula originaly had special console that boosted several skills through it stats, now it boosts only stealth detection that does not work at all.
Take your tears somewhere else. Most people won't miss the idiotic leech.
"Cryptic Studio’s Jack Emmert (2010): Microtransactions are the biggest bunch of nonsense. I like paying one fee and not worrying about it – like my cellphone. The world’s biggest MMO isn’t item based, even though the black market item GDP is bigger than Russia … microtransactions make me want to die.”
Okay here is how I read this post, you bought a ship for a console you knew was bugged. As did MANY other players. You all had a good run with this bug, now it it was patched. Whether or not it was overly nerfed is up for debate, but it needed a nerf for sure.
There are MANY ships with not so worthwhile consoles, this is just part of the game. You still have your ship, you buying it for a bug is both your fault and the fault of cryptic, but things need to get fixed. Just like Maco Shield was fixed, and I still think maco shield's power conduit link is adding too much power. But it is by far no where near Plasmonic Leech.
The bug wasnt even a real bug. It was just intelligent use of the console (seriously, throw a rock at someone, it will hurt, get your friends to also through rocks at them, its gonna hurt more).
Was it slightly overpowered to be able to gang up on someone and cut their power levels by 30 or so, sure, maybe. I can definitely also see the logic behind the idea that at some point, the "effectiveness" of a 'plasmonic leech' would lessen and there would be serious dimishing returns, blah blah blah ... end result being, a single target only being able to accumulated a limited number of stacks of the leech. That's logical.
The ONLY thing Cryptic set out to change was the way multiple Leeches would affect the TARGET, not the USER. All that was supposed to change is preventing Leech stacks higher than 8 on the target, no matter how many people using the console were firing on it. Which is understandable. Sort of. Honestly, I dont see what the big deal was. KDF with plasmonic leech never bothered me any, but then I have Power Insulator skill points.
Instead, Cryptic went and completely broke the entire thing, preventing the user from getting more than a single application of the leech themselves rendering the console useless and the $10 dollars their customer spent a complete and total waste.
That is a problem. Cryptic needs to correct their mistake, effect the change they set out to do (which really does make some sense and maybe will cause the feds to whine a little less, or at least whine about different things), and put the console back the way it was for the user.
Good it needs this, it was a bad idea to include a console like this in the game in the first place. C-Store ships should just be unique and a little better than dil ships, but they don't need OP consoles to do that, it can be done with the ships stats and innate abilities.
I will say though typical crying klinks, just because you can kill someone when it was bugged doesn't mean your a good captain just reliant on pay 2 win. Why dont you take a page from non pay 2 win players book and play with no consoles and learn how to kill a person..........
Cryptic I think it was a good thing you did there for pvp!
There is a huge difference between nerfing something which was OP when more than one player used it (almost all "klinks" in this thread agreed on this) and making it entirely worthless.
Well, but I would care less if Cryptic would do something equal to the Feds infernal AMS, like giving it a sensor jam which only works for half a second
To whoever likes the way cryptic jacked up leech: either take away all p2w bs, either make it work in as much balanced way as possible. Just having things "fixed" to be broken more is dumb. No matter what others say or agree or disagree. Leech stack on target was dumb. Same as power siphons were. Or so many other things. But being happy when the other side (kdf in this case) has an imballance or disadvantage is totally immature.
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What imbalance you talk of ? there are useless consoles on fed side as well.
"Cryptic Studio’s Jack Emmert (2010): Microtransactions are the biggest bunch of nonsense. I like paying one fee and not worrying about it – like my cellphone. The world’s biggest MMO isn’t item based, even though the black market item GDP is bigger than Russia … microtransactions make me want to die.”
Maco requires you to be under fire which is not in your control... leach just requires you to be shooting at something. Maco isn't up nearly as often as leach. Leach can also be speced into where as maco can not. Maco gives you a small bump... leach gives you a major bump.
Even once stacking is fixed leach is still going to be the worst p2w consoul in the game. Not only does the stack limit on a target need to be addressed... they also need to address and remove the ability to spec the boost and the drain... being able to get it up to -/+ 4 power per shot is dumb. If they ever throw this one in a lock box they might as well just remove the pvp que all together. Out side of private matches I would no longer PvP.
I have to admit that I liked the benefits of the leech, but when you are speced in flows, it's indeed too good. Lol. I think that what Dan said, to split the gain also between the attackers (meaning if 3 attackers attack target, and each attacker has the same ship, same specs, same consoles and weapons, instead of each gaining 20 bonus to power level, each will get 20/3 =~ 7. In 1-1, you would get the whole 20 bonus). Don't think will happen since it requires more math and testing from cryptic and the resources from what I hear are scarce (not trying to be ironic)...
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What imbalance you talk of ? there are useless consoles on fed side as well.
I mean imballance in general. In particular to leech, some Feds are happy it doesn't work. Not to say the way it used to work was fair. But being happy (generally speaking) when some things work worse on the opposing faction is immature. And I really don't care who agrees or not, this is my opinion.
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Have you ever seen some fed using emission torpedo in pvp ? I did, and he was laughed at....
But really, how many times you were killed, because enemy team spammed emission seeking torpedoes ? or constantly revealed you with tachyon grid ?
Now..how many times have you see people die because of leech ?
Before someone speaks about useless consoles.....just pointing out the much worse P2W or rather P2L consoles...
Maybe it is indeed overnefed...but some sarcastic evil part of me thinks, it's now balanced more than ever.
"Cryptic Studio’s Jack Emmert (2010): Microtransactions are the biggest bunch of nonsense. I like paying one fee and not worrying about it – like my cellphone. The world’s biggest MMO isn’t item based, even though the black market item GDP is bigger than Russia … microtransactions make me want to die.”
Have you ever seen some fed using emission torpedo in pvp ? I did, and he was laughed at....
But really, how many times you were killed, because enemy team spammed emission seeking torpedoes ? or constantly revealed you with tachyon grid ?
Now..how many times have you see people die because of leech ?
Before someone speaks about useless consoles.....just pointing out the much worse P2W or rather P2L consoles...
Maybe it is indeed overnefed...but some sarcastic evil part of me thinks, it's now balanced more than ever.
Lol. I see that every now and then in Kerrat. But I don't see your point. That is a useless console, I agree, but from what I remember it has been useless all the time. It was not "fixed" to be useless.
Hear! Sons of Kahless
Hear! Daughters too.
The blood of battle washes clean.
The Warrior brave and true.
We fight, we love, and then we kill...
Tachyon Defence Grid console was nerfed. Or rather remade so it is now useless for anything else than stealth detection, that works only in Cryptic spreadsheets. See, the leech console is not the first to be nerfed/destroyed. It's just the leech was so (ab)used that people care. So the drama about "I bought blabla, and it is now useless blabla" is unnecessary.
"Cryptic Studio’s Jack Emmert (2010): Microtransactions are the biggest bunch of nonsense. I like paying one fee and not worrying about it – like my cellphone. The world’s biggest MMO isn’t item based, even though the black market item GDP is bigger than Russia … microtransactions make me want to die.”
There is a huge difference between nerfing something which was OP when more than one player used it (almost all "klinks" in this thread agreed on this) and making it entirely worthless.
Well, but I would care less if Cryptic would do something equal to the Feds infernal AMS, like giving it a sensor jam which only works for half a second
For the record there are very few players in the game that have more logged hours klink side then myself.
It was a BS unit (yes I own it to) I hope if they correct this somewhat they look at the numbers on it cause it badly needed it... it was the most terribly balanced p2w unit released to date. It is almost entirely responsible for devolving the KvF Ques making playing as a klink a silly joke waiting 2 hours for a pop... and playing as a fed horribly annoying unless you where playing in a premade. (Frankly even klink drain units when stacked take zero talent to useand a ton of it to overcome)
Oh PS... we all hate AMS... however The Cryptic guys are right if you spec properly the thing does only last for a few seconds. :P
Don't worry about AMS. I'm pretty sure it will eventually end in some lockbox so everyone has access to it. Then it will be nerfed and destroyed as well. Just wait.
"Cryptic Studio’s Jack Emmert (2010): Microtransactions are the biggest bunch of nonsense. I like paying one fee and not worrying about it – like my cellphone. The world’s biggest MMO isn’t item based, even though the black market item GDP is bigger than Russia … microtransactions make me want to die.”
Was the leech op, yeah on the receiving end it was, not for the user, obviously.
However the current state of the console makes it junk, pure and simple.
Its not even worth thinking about for PvE anymore. the little effect is has now, +2 to your power levels, which also means -2 for the targets. for moderate speced flow caps.
So in total, +8 to your entire ships power, whoopdidue, not even noticeable.
I suggest to rename the console into Slot Waster.
Maybe the power bonus you could get from it was to high, maybe not, but the only part that really needed fixing was on the receivers end with the stacking. not just pound the console into utter uselessness.
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that was a bit of sarcasm. fixed in my opinion would be no more then 4 stacks taken from 1 person, with a total of 8 possible +energy stacks on yourself from fireing on multiple people
Your doing it wrong mine says -3.8 / + 3.8 lol
Have fun with your +0.5 DPS
And so another module is completely scr*w*d up we'd payed real money for. What's next? Release a party popper ship/module wich buff up you're toilet flush and that will be nerved down to , till it's warming up the seat only?
Sure, i'm gonna spend a lot more money on the C store *not*. Way to go! This is starting to like more and more on how Bigpoint is scr*wing their paying costumers with it's online games like Battlestar Galactica. :mad:
this is highly determind by who the 5 are shooting at.
of course if we also go by how star trek generations happened a single brel took out a galaxy class.....
and in star trek 6 a single brel retrofit was kicking an excleisor and connys TRIBBLE till heat seaking torps came along
and in the best of both worlds 39 ships utterly destroyed by one borg cube
and in yesterdays enterprise 3 birds of prey kicked a galaxy classes TRIBBLE while an ambasador was running away...
really cant use the tv show for references to space combat in this game.
your eyes will bleed otherwise.
In all Startrek I've seen, the one ship bein outnumbred is usually a fed ship, and after pumping some power into the powerlinks and then emergency power into the backup systems, and then full warpcore power to the phasers, routed through the bridge consoles, the 5 badguys are usually limping home while cursing the day they set out to fight the federation!
So is this what you would like to see in STO? One fed ship trumps everything?
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Same w/drain, but resistable.
Random Quote from Kerrat
"Sumlobus@****: your mums eat Iced Targ Poo"
C&H Fed banter
I have no issue with any of the consoles if they workwd smartly.
R.I.P
Okay here is how I read this post, you bought a ship for a console you knew was bugged. As did MANY other players. You all had a good run with this bug, now it it was patched. Whether or not it was overly nerfed is up for debate, but it needed a nerf for sure.
There are MANY ships with not so worthwhile consoles, this is just part of the game. You still have your ship, you buying it for a bug is both your fault and the fault of cryptic, but things need to get fixed. Just like Maco Shield was fixed, and I still think maco shield's power conduit link is adding too much power. But it is by far no where near Plasmonic Leech.
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LOL and you think you are the only one ? many ships and their consoles were screwed over the patches. Hell the noobula originaly had special console that boosted several skills through it stats, now it boosts only stealth detection that does not work at all.
Take your tears somewhere else. Most people won't miss the idiotic leech.
The bug wasnt even a real bug. It was just intelligent use of the console (seriously, throw a rock at someone, it will hurt, get your friends to also through rocks at them, its gonna hurt more).
Was it slightly overpowered to be able to gang up on someone and cut their power levels by 30 or so, sure, maybe. I can definitely also see the logic behind the idea that at some point, the "effectiveness" of a 'plasmonic leech' would lessen and there would be serious dimishing returns, blah blah blah ... end result being, a single target only being able to accumulated a limited number of stacks of the leech. That's logical.
The ONLY thing Cryptic set out to change was the way multiple Leeches would affect the TARGET, not the USER. All that was supposed to change is preventing Leech stacks higher than 8 on the target, no matter how many people using the console were firing on it. Which is understandable. Sort of. Honestly, I dont see what the big deal was. KDF with plasmonic leech never bothered me any, but then I have Power Insulator skill points.
Instead, Cryptic went and completely broke the entire thing, preventing the user from getting more than a single application of the leech themselves rendering the console useless and the $10 dollars their customer spent a complete and total waste.
That is a problem. Cryptic needs to correct their mistake, effect the change they set out to do (which really does make some sense and maybe will cause the feds to whine a little less, or at least whine about different things), and put the console back the way it was for the user.
I thought maco shield conduit stack to 10 only
Cryptic I think it was a good thing you did there for pvp!
Well, but I would care less if Cryptic would do something equal to the Feds infernal AMS, like giving it a sensor jam which only works for half a second
Hear! Daughters too.
The blood of battle washes clean.
The Warrior brave and true.
We fight, we love, and then we kill...
I have to admit that I liked the benefits of the leech, but when you are speced in flows, it's indeed too good. Lol. I think that what Dan said, to split the gain also between the attackers (meaning if 3 attackers attack target, and each attacker has the same ship, same specs, same consoles and weapons, instead of each gaining 20 bonus to power level, each will get 20/3 =~ 7. In 1-1, you would get the whole 20 bonus). Don't think will happen since it requires more math and testing from cryptic and the resources from what I hear are scarce (not trying to be ironic)...
Hear! Daughters too.
The blood of battle washes clean.
The Warrior brave and true.
We fight, we love, and then we kill...
I mean imballance in general. In particular to leech, some Feds are happy it doesn't work. Not to say the way it used to work was fair. But being happy (generally speaking) when some things work worse on the opposing faction is immature. And I really don't care who agrees or not, this is my opinion.
Hear! Daughters too.
The blood of battle washes clean.
The Warrior brave and true.
We fight, we love, and then we kill...
But really, how many times you were killed, because enemy team spammed emission seeking torpedoes ? or constantly revealed you with tachyon grid ?
Now..how many times have you see people die because of leech ?
Before someone speaks about useless consoles.....just pointing out the much worse P2W or rather P2L consoles...
Maybe it is indeed overnefed...but some sarcastic evil part of me thinks, it's now balanced more than ever.
Lol. I see that every now and then in Kerrat. But I don't see your point. That is a useless console, I agree, but from what I remember it has been useless all the time. It was not "fixed" to be useless.
Hear! Daughters too.
The blood of battle washes clean.
The Warrior brave and true.
We fight, we love, and then we kill...
For the record there are very few players in the game that have more logged hours klink side then myself.
It was a BS unit (yes I own it to) I hope if they correct this somewhat they look at the numbers on it cause it badly needed it... it was the most terribly balanced p2w unit released to date. It is almost entirely responsible for devolving the KvF Ques making playing as a klink a silly joke waiting 2 hours for a pop... and playing as a fed horribly annoying unless you where playing in a premade. (Frankly even klink drain units when stacked take zero talent to useand a ton of it to overcome)
Oh PS... we all hate AMS... however The Cryptic guys are right if you spec properly the thing does only last for a few seconds. :P
However the current state of the console makes it junk, pure and simple.
Its not even worth thinking about for PvE anymore. the little effect is has now, +2 to your power levels, which also means -2 for the targets. for moderate speced flow caps.
So in total, +8 to your entire ships power, whoopdidue, not even noticeable.
I suggest to rename the console into Slot Waster.
Maybe the power bonus you could get from it was to high, maybe not, but the only part that really needed fixing was on the receivers end with the stacking. not just pound the console into utter uselessness.