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The Fleet Vault: the solution to the donations issue
th3gr4ndnagu5
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I'm going to keep this short and sweet:
1) create a "fleet vault" that anyone can donate select types of resources to anytime.
2) anyone who donates to the vault gets their share of fleet credits immediately.
3) fleet leaders can use the donations to fuel projects as needed.
Problem solved?
1) create a "fleet vault" that anyone can donate select types of resources to anytime.
2) anyone who donates to the vault gets their share of fleet credits immediately.
3) fleet leaders can use the donations to fuel projects as needed.
Problem solved?
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But since the Devs have been ignoring this very same suggestion since S6 went up on Tribble, I don't see them paying attention to it now.
Before season 6 launched I could pick up a pack of 250 traces for less then 1000EC.
There has to be some type of gate to prevent someone from cashing out too much at once.
This, plus there are already the special assignments that requre a lot of resourses, take little time to finish and don't help the development of the starbase in almost any way. Their whole purpose to exist is to help players contribute and get credits.
There is no "working together" when you don't even have the chance to contribute (at first) .
In theory things should balance out down the road , but in the beginning it's kinda horrible , and I am concerned that there will be ppl who , when cannot immidiatly contribute will go "f-this" and give up .
BTW , I support the OP's suggestion !
See thing is, that's where the working together comes - the fleet need to establish ground rules on who and when people donate. It's not easy, believe me I know, our fleet had some players hit 150,000 Fleet Credits on day one, but we've got it pegged now and think it's sorted. It just involves communicatioin.
I think having a fleet dumping pool has major issues in the sense that it will create a potential overflow of fleet credits that aren't meant to be there straight away.
Stay calm, use the special projects, and talk to your fleet...or join mine ;-)
"The other's fleet leader" you would say, well... probably the leaders don't want to act like the police to keep track of every single member. I don't know. Maybe if the fleet credits are earned by every member the moment those resources are used from the fleet's vault instead of immediately, maybe?
Join date 20 Sept 2008
I honestly do not like the Star Base system at all. It would have been better to have just been a Fleet Leveling system that also required EC and Dilithium upkeep. Instead, we were given a system that favors the few or solo fleets and helps to drive up the exchange.
I am not even going to get into how much of a rip off Fleet Ships currently are..
Ditto.
Concerns about fleet donations being equitable was the bit of feedback most loudly being shouted during the Tribble test. They ignored it, they didn't even say "Actually we think its Ok, here the reasons. . . "
I honestly don't see the point of the Tribble test weekend, the point of Beta testing is to find out where a larger audience thinks the problems are. Well we did, and nothing was implemented but a few major bug fixes that should have been spotted in Alpha*.
So why Beta it?
No to mention it was only betaed for a week or two. . . no where near long enough to be useful. I think they were just box ticking.
*I mean engineers equipment self-destructing on Nukura. . . SERIOUSLY you missed that in Alpha!?!? Bloody hell.
It comes down to timing, plain and simple. If you're on when a new mission comes up, you can donate. Within a few minutes in our fleet, it's done. And then you have to wait 20 hours or whatever until the next. And again, hope you're on at that time as well.
This is a game. It's suppose to be fun. Fleets as is are stressful. You have to be on or you lose out on contributing.
It's broken.
I agree with the OP.
It's a shame that we have ended up with a game-play mechanic that ammounts to auction sniping on e-bay as part of our fleet starbase activity.
I'll take option "C": the fleet bank.
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I don't know about you, but I'm in my fleet for a reason. Dumping my fleet mates because the fleet starbase system might be flawed is not an option.
Edit: I quoted the wrong person, sorry. I meant to quote the person you were quoting. :O
That's a basic reason. They listen to us, they use some of our ideas... but at the end of the day, decisions from on-high (PWE) force them to do this and that.
There's also the fact that people on these forums have no idea of the difficultes on the other side... that's why they usually don't let us design things for them: because we're not experienced system designers.
And a lot of this seems very much like bias and ranting instead of contructive... which is a waste of our time.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
I didnt say anything about that.
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Wow. That would be perfect. Shame the devs couldnt think of it themselves...
Or that it wasn't suggested during testing.
Oh, wait...
It was suggested during testing. Multiple times IIRC. But here we are, despite that fact.
We the community dont have to be systems designers to know that ebay style sniping to get your fleet credits is BAD programming. All Im asking is they lay out their ideas, how it will work, and we say yea or nay and offer feedback on potential flaws they dont see. We give ideas, they say how hard or doable it is. The whole "we arent game designers" is a copout answer by people protecting devs. We Star Trek players know good programming and bad programming when we hear it presented, we dont need to be Neo to see the code behind it. STO has a chance right now to totally pull away from TOR, but their insistence to keep us locked out of the room when they are discussing new systems to entertain us will just keep shooting themselves in the foot WHEN not IF they release some flawed concept that pisses off 1/2 or more of the players.
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From what I know of the code, this is radically impractical. Items like commodities don't just exist. They have an owner somewhere. Who owns them? How do these get applied to a project without providing fleet credits a second time?
This is a MASSIVE technical undertaking.
It would be a lot simpler just to have a vendor who will accept commodities and anomalies in exchange for fleet marks. I'd say to include dilithium and expertise as purchasing options too but this would result in players having so many fleet marks that it would create a class of players who have a monopoly on fleet mark donation.
And there's a need for fleet marks every 30 minutes in most fleets.
Doing the right thing isnt always easy.
Actually its the reverse. We just had a guy leave another fleet and join us. He lost his Lifetime Credit, but kept his current balance.
As to the OP. I think its a great idea. to bad TPTB wont hear of it. as its too simple and would get rid of there idea of Fleet Politics solving the issue.
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Not to mention that there is a constant income of boff xp coming from any other activity (STFs, dailies and so on) and you will always end up with 5 mil more boff xp than you need.
For a fleet with at least 10 level 50 players, 10.000 boff xp is nothing.
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