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travelingmaster
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So, I've had the opportunity to run through No-Win Scenario. . .and the name is apt. All three times, the freighter gets destroyed by round 4 or 5, even with a dedicated tank player to heal it.
Now, I won't pretend to know the full reason for this, as I'm often too focused on fighting the lag and enemy ships. . .but the impression I'm getting is that by round 4 or 5, the enemy ships are spawning within 10 km of the freighter, and firing bio-neural warheads, high-density plasma torps, along with all the other ordinance. The defenders don't get a chance to 'head 'em off' before they shoot at the freighter.
So. . .let's pool thoughts. Any ideas as to how we're supposed to keep the silly freighter from getting blown to bits? Even laying down covering fire in the form of scatter shot probably won't handle it, since they're using more than just destructible stuff on the freighter.
Now, I won't pretend to know the full reason for this, as I'm often too focused on fighting the lag and enemy ships. . .but the impression I'm getting is that by round 4 or 5, the enemy ships are spawning within 10 km of the freighter, and firing bio-neural warheads, high-density plasma torps, along with all the other ordinance. The defenders don't get a chance to 'head 'em off' before they shoot at the freighter.
So. . .let's pool thoughts. Any ideas as to how we're supposed to keep the silly freighter from getting blown to bits? Even laying down covering fire in the form of scatter shot probably won't handle it, since they're using more than just destructible stuff on the freighter.
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and a dedicated healer are just some basics.
Iam sure stratagys will arise. I can tell you this I will never do it again in a pug this isnt elites, its elites on crack and teamwork is a must and in a pug thats like seeing Santa Claus.
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Yeah, we've been asking for a real challenge for some time now, and we finally got one. Looks good, too, and I hope they'll eventually expand it to cover more scenarios, necessitating in more problem-solving
I think that should be fixed. there should be at least 15-20 km distance, so that a player could try to keep them away from the civilian ship. Surely, there are ways to overflow and overpower the team without spawning the enemy within 10km range!
Please fix!
Waves are predictable, so if you take your time, learning what spawns when, you get more and more successes.
After all the idea behind No Win is a scenario you have to learn the hard way.
(Kobayashi Maru Style)
You know what no-win scenario means right? :rolleyes:
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
Precisely. I wasn't particularly complaining that they're doing that. I enjoy a challenge, in a game where a fair challenge is hard to find. I mentioned it as an observation, and was hoping to spark discussion as to how best to counter said computer tactic. In the end, I don't think this will be the kind of scenario suitable for pugs, even if the pugs are good. You have to have the right setup and a team willing to plan things out.
I haven't worked out what the strat for DPS would be. I've heard Scramble Sensors for messing up the bio-neural warheads but I'm not sure if it actually triggers or not.
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[9:52] [Zone #11] Neal@trapper1532: im a omega force shadow oprative and a maoc elite camander and here i am taking water samples
Pets in intercept mode with the right doffs should do the job then.
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
It's up to the Devs to decide if it's fair or not.
Your task is to make the best out of impossible situation.
Pampering you to spawn the enemies further will compensate for slower reactions on your team's part and will will buy you 1 wave at most.
But once they start nerfing the mission because of such "problems", it's will quickly scale down in difficulty to the level it was before the first fix for it on tribble.
In terms of DPS, I'd definitely say AoE effects are the way to go. Torp spread with transphasic, scatter shot, gravity well/tykens rift, etc. Heck, even photonic shockwave can buy a few seconds if you knock 'em away from the freighter.
PSW is not for the knockback. Subspace decompiler will up the stun, and Particle Generators will get you damage. The KB is minor.
TBR is what you want for knockback. High Aux with decent Graviton Generators will get you 8 km per pulse, 3 enemies per pulse.
I think zone denial by 1 or 2 dedicated TBR users who are also throwing heals leaves the rest to dps down more manageable groups of NPCs.
CommanderDonatra@Capt.Sisko: ahhh is it supposed to do that?
Norvo Tigan@dontdrunkimshoot: hell ya, maybe
Tried going after the platform but those automated defense turrets on the warheads AND platform were killer. Standard turret firing arc but seemingly stronger than PC turrets and with antiproton damage type. Managed to get a platform to 60% after blowing up in its face. 30sec respawn timer
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Round 5 - TBR keeping targets as much as possible in X axis, (a bit of Z axis is OK and unavoidable, Y axis means you should not use reuplsors) immediately fire GW after repulse to get the attacking group back into proximity and then TACs + team focus fire. Kill groups this way then move to another. If team scatters and takes up seperate groups themselves you wont get far, Team must focus fire and eliminate attacking groups. Two healers stick by freighter while this is going on and assisting where possible throwing EWP or theta around to slow things down.
Any enemy faction from what i understand. I have encounter nassician, breen, and fek'lhir.
You quoted the wrong post.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone