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thetratz
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I'm gonna hang out in warzones if I still can and ambush folks. Just because I can. Maybe I'll get some friends to come with me? It's the closest thing to a real open world conflict.
Why bother with arenas?
Why bother with battlegrounds?
Why bother with instances?
The Federation - KDF war is a joke. Federation vessels fly freely through Klingon space like jolly gents taking pleasant strolls through parks. KDF vessels drift aimlessly through Federation space much the same with no real purpose other than to milk the sweet honey that frivolous carebears crave.
In STO there is no real conflict. The war is a fake fabrication and sorry excuse for PvP. Give us borders. Make the fights mean something. Stop merry-go-rounds and the dunk tank fa?ade that exists purely to say that there's PvP in the game? Even WoW (which houses some of the oldest, crappiest battlegrounds to ever grace the MMO world) has PvP servers where if you rally, you can at least give the Alliance/Horde a real bad day.
Open world PvP is not griefing. Griefing is consequence for inaction. It's conflict. Enjoy my criticism...as I'm sure this game will never change in a way that will spark a fire that will send ripples across the Alpha quadrant and breathe life into the "battles" that go on in the game's story. Nor will it give real rewards for conquest. Know that there's at least one other person that feels that PvP cold be so much more.
/end_rant
Why bother with arenas?
Why bother with battlegrounds?
Why bother with instances?
The Federation - KDF war is a joke. Federation vessels fly freely through Klingon space like jolly gents taking pleasant strolls through parks. KDF vessels drift aimlessly through Federation space much the same with no real purpose other than to milk the sweet honey that frivolous carebears crave.
In STO there is no real conflict. The war is a fake fabrication and sorry excuse for PvP. Give us borders. Make the fights mean something. Stop merry-go-rounds and the dunk tank fa?ade that exists purely to say that there's PvP in the game? Even WoW (which houses some of the oldest, crappiest battlegrounds to ever grace the MMO world) has PvP servers where if you rally, you can at least give the Alliance/Horde a real bad day.
Open world PvP is not griefing. Griefing is consequence for inaction. It's conflict. Enjoy my criticism...as I'm sure this game will never change in a way that will spark a fire that will send ripples across the Alpha quadrant and breathe life into the "battles" that go on in the game's story. Nor will it give real rewards for conquest. Know that there's at least one other person that feels that PvP cold be so much more.
/end_rant
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Are you trying for government or something??
@Aquitaine985
Lag Industries STO PvP Fleet - Executive
A Sad Panda of Industrial calibre.
2010: This is Cryptic PvP. Please hold the line, your call is very important to us...
Delta - Recluse
Omega - Scimitar
Alpha - MVAM
Beta - Wells
B'arf think thetratz is puny hu-man who lives at home with his grandmother in basement and watches Mister Rogers.
thetratz not know the true meaning of being a Klingon!
Note to self: Invite thetratz over for coffee and cake and close inspection of personal Mark XII Bat'leth. Note how well it slices the cake.
edit: Ok, that didn;t turn out as funny as I expected it to be. Oh well.
It's sunday, it's sunny, the Wimbledon final is on the same time as the British Grand Prix, I have a pitcher of lemonade and some cherry cake. You are forgiven.
@Aquitaine985
Lag Industries STO PvP Fleet - Executive
A Sad Panda of Industrial calibre.
2010: This is Cryptic PvP. Please hold the line, your call is very important to us...
pure and simple
and in the event of open pvp will devote his/her/its life to hunting down lt level ships and blowing them to hell (just like the "war guilds" in WOW who exist only to steal and kill)
this is why we need a price for the attacker (lose and you lose everything) and no price for the defender
This guy isn't a pvp'er.
This one can be readily ignored. There's plenty of single player in this MMO as it is.
Dying being the biggest.
R.I.P
If you and your 'lowly' BoP come around and shred the pride of Starfleet to pieces, they get all butthurt.
God forbid you actually use the Cloak in the way that it was intended - ambushes are cheap and unfair. You need to tell your opponent when you're coming at them, what buffs you'll be using, and when your defensive abilities are on CD. Otherwise you're a jerk.
I can get on board with this. Makes mauling more exciting. Having something to lose only makes the victory that much sweeter.
Not everything you see on the internet is true - Abraham Lincoln
Occidere populo et effercio confractus
Ah but thats the point of it being its own sector. If you enter it expect to be attacked eventualy. If this is a problem for you don,t go in. That wan there is still no one being forced to pvp no one can grief you and if you want to rp just don't do it in one of these sectors. Additionaly I propose these sectors be either spread across existing sector blocks or placed in their own sector block somewhere.
Not everything you see on the internet is true - Abraham Lincoln
Occidere populo et effercio confractus
Meh...warzones... good for the faint of heart or those who only want to attack those they feel are weaker than them. The playground for bullies.
Strap on a pair and que up for Arena!
("not cuddly" enough?
Have you ever felt the thrill of being a predator in PvP...or been outmatched and forced to succeed in overcoming the foes that are denying you your game? This isn't about "picking" on people. It's about having a purpose for all the fighting. Forgettable score boards don't interest me. Shallow achievements and rewards are equally boring.
Give me more areas like Kerrat with fleet merits to put into starbases as rewards.
@Aquitaine985
Lag Industries STO PvP Fleet - Executive
A Sad Panda of Industrial calibre.
2010: This is Cryptic PvP. Please hold the line, your call is very important to us...
meh... fighting people who loose nothing by dieing? I usually fly a BoP, and 9 out of 10 strikes in Ker'rat, the person doesn't bother defending himself, is AFK or starts whining about me ruining the PvE game for him, and never ever receive healing. Finding any kind of adequate opposition is futile. (except the 10-ship noobball spawncamping the map. They actually can kill someone 10v1 )
Arenas, with equally matched teams, where the incentive is victory! That's what it's about. The only part of this game that has a real penlty for dieing, and thus the only part where it's worth the effort to stay alive.
CommanderDonatra@Capt.Sisko: ahhh is it supposed to do that?
Norvo Tigan@dontdrunkimshoot: hell ya, maybe
I'm with you there, every time I see a Federation garbage scow cruising through our Empire's space I feel the need to go to red alert and turn their ship into space dust but the CRYPTIC won't let us, we have to all be friends, even in war!
Here before PWE (and hopefully) here long after PWE is gone.
What this game needs is PvP, NOT PWE.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Truly open sector PvP may never come and may not be a good idea but I see nothing wrong with opening it up so that if you are in enemy space you can be attacked without warning. You enter enemy territory in a time of war, you expect a fight. Shouldn't interfere with the RPers, they just stay in their faction's space (and there is more than enough space for the feds to cruise around unmolested).
As for the neutral zone, make it open to consensual PvP, its neutral space, so the faction governments have agreed to cease hostilities there for the greater good of the Borg war but there can still be minor unsanctioned skirmishes breaking out from time to time.
PvPers are happy, PvE / RPers are happy and happy players means more players, which means Cryptic / PWE should be happy too - everyone's a winner.
Here before PWE (and hopefully) here long after PWE is gone.
What this game needs is PvP, NOT PWE.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Sadly, having recently been playing space STFs with a couple of my newly levelled toons, I think that even if you do all the above, the average PvEer would still fold like rice paper under the first volley of cannon fire - PvE in this game teaches you that you don't need to worry about incoming fire - I hardly bother with activating my defences while playing normal PvE / normal STFs.
Here before PWE (and hopefully) here long after PWE is gone.
What this game needs is PvP, NOT PWE.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
IF my Galaxy crosses the neutral zone into Klingon space with out an invitation (diplomatic immunity ) or an escort I deserve to get half a dozen birds of prey on my tail
(I don't usually enter Klingon space its impolite)
And if a Klingon BOP turns up in the vulcan system it deserves to get handed its head
BUT we do need some controls
firstly the neutral zone is the neutral zone
secondly in pvp only weapon MK should count (all weapons being treated as equal)
Thirdly in open pvp the lower level player should be in line for a reward if they win the higher should NOT
otherwise you get a VA PVP pro sitting outside Forcas nuking commanders
All sounds fair and equitable to me, though I'm not sure about the weapons thing, you mean take away the various weapon procs?
Here before PWE (and hopefully) here long after PWE is gone.
What this game needs is PvP, NOT PWE.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
because some of us are speced for PVE and some for PVP and some of us for Canon
if in these open pvp areas a mk x was a mk x and a mk xii was a mk xii it would mean that people speced for borg (plasma proof usually) would not be totally unbeatable by someone speced to use plasma weapons (a Canon Romulan copy for example)
in queued pvp the differences would still apply
Example my Galaxy mounts phasers , torps and standard issue systems (admittedly mostly not what she came with)
A friend of mine has a ship speced Specifically to fight Romulans he is pretty much invulnerable to plasma weapons and highly resistant to tractor beams
Im not
But i'm really adaptable
A ship with all plasma weapons he would beat standing on his head most of the time
Id find it a harder fight
on the other hand a canon ship with disruptors id be a fair fight for.
See what I mean as a balance we make them all count as equal Just for the open pvp zones
Sector space isn't designed to allow combat; it would just be a PvP version of the old style deep space encounters (the ones that would actually chase you). So the fighting would still take place in its own instance.
The only real difference between something like that, and PvP as it exists now, is that some of the people involved in the battle would probably rather not be.
Aye, with you here. After playing EVE Online, it's hard to ever look at space tactical PvPing the same. This game could take a thing or two from EVE. The sec space and nullsec could effectively be emmulated into STO to benefit both the carebear and hawk players. There's far too little consequence and far too many rewards for accomplishing practically nothing in this game.
STO is a joke in comparison and the only way I can make the PvP interesting is by using my immagination. Rather, that's the only way I can make any of it interesting. Funny thing is that I find it hardest to get past all the sprinting-jumping idiots seen everywhere. If I couldn't ignore them and pretend I was in a more mature fictional universe, I woulda tossed aside STO very quick. In fact, I quit it a couple years ago and came back after hearing about the few odd but intriguing improvements. Simultaneously I discovered all the extra deficiencies and distasteful additions.
I'm still determining if I should stick around long enough or move on now to something else. I am having fun, though, because I'm an optimist and I try to get the best out of STO for my money. Alas, the superficiality and extreme-ease (lack of challenge) make my interest on the waning side...
Ah, I see. Yes, I could live with that as it does sound quite reasonable.
Here before PWE (and hopefully) here long after PWE is gone.
What this game needs is PvP, NOT PWE.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
but they need more...
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
1) Teamwork and timing is #1
2) You cannot "Kirk It" in every ship
3) You are going to die, just get back up