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I think we should all stop QQn.
marctraiderz
Member Posts: 539 Arc User
Ok, dont get me wrong here. I'm not posting this because I like to use anything that is 'OP'.
And I'm also not posting this because I coincidentally have a Jem Hadar or a Dkora or whatever ship that got buffed.
First it is the OP consoles, I can totally agree with the way they work is not always acceptable. (You can use my posts to confirm this)
Then its the Defiant with 5 tac consoles.
Then its the KDF ships that arent up to par with the Fed ones.
Then its the lockbox ships who got a buff.
I'm always open to discussion about them and also other parts of the PvP system like Chronitons that are still broke etc. And the stuff i just mentioned doesnt mean I agree or disagree with them,
But Come on guys, arent we taking this a bit too serious? Its still a game. Come on, PLEASE.
The PvP community will always all have different opinions about different factors of this game, but lets just drop the QQn for once. What good does it do? It won't really help us balance the game anyway.
it will only cause more heated topics and threads and discussions.
It might be my vision about it, but I am not worried at all about the new stuff and additions, and all the OP stuff. Why would you? again its a game. If you lose you know if its because of the opposing team/players skill, or its because of the OP consoles/ship he uses. Does it really matter? YOU know why something happens because it happens.
Really, I havent used a single pay2win console so far (Except for the impulse capacitor) since this game went f2p. I use a lockbox ship because I like the ship. But even I considered the last few days whether i should buy some nice consoles for my klingon toon.
Personally I have accepted the game and all factors differ and some stuff is better than others. And instead of QQn, I ACT on it. I take advantage of the stuff that is more powerful than other things. (And I dont mean lockboxes or consoles here per se)
But isnt that one of the things that what makes us better? Im also talking about normal pvp factors like skilling, skill tree, bridge officer stations/abilities, weapons loadout, playstyle, etc. timings. Its all stuff that you CAN decide. Most of it ofcourse, if you are too lazy to do something you cannot blame someone else for HAVING something you do not have. I cant but to bring up tje jem hadar ship, this time it went down to 125M ec, in the winter even they came close to or even dropped to below 100M ec.
And sure, Its a payed ship. Some pay for it with real money, some pay with in game EC. The way i see it though, is that you couldve know that these ships were at some point available again, and I know of enough people that can easily collect more then 100M ec in a few weeks, so let alone months or even 6 months, you could have a fortune if you arent lazy enough to take your time for it. Alot of complaining is about that, because people did not obtain a certain ship, or do not WANT to spend their money on a Cstore ship with the included console, it is your CHOICE, but if you do not want to INVEST time to grind EC (to buy a Lockbox ship) or want to invest real money for a lockbox ship or cstore ship or console for it, you seriously cannot QQ about it and blame others for having the stuff.
The same happens when some noob has a Tier 4 ship and doesnt want to buy a Tier 5 ship or want to subscribe of buy a lifetime, wheres ur VA token? its not there. He has just as much right to blame us for having Tier 5 ships from VA tokens because once we were subbers and/or Lifers, he QQ's about the same fact probably.
I just wanted to express my opinion about things, and this QQn will eventually only make you weak because you are not willing to invest time/resources/money for a game. Well its a f2p model now, DEAL with it.
No hard feelings, I think everyone has a different opinion about all this, dnd I decided to express mine. So far I haven't brought myself over to using p2w consoles, but who knows what the future will bring.
To make a big story short, this is what you require, besides good pvp skills and stuff:
- Willingness to invest.
- Good pvp skills these will at some point in your pvp career make you understand that you are the key to your own success, not what the opposing enemy is using.
It will end your bad feelings about the game and the state of balance, because there is no balance. The only balance is what you decide to do.
And I'm also not posting this because I coincidentally have a Jem Hadar or a Dkora or whatever ship that got buffed.
First it is the OP consoles, I can totally agree with the way they work is not always acceptable. (You can use my posts to confirm this)
Then its the Defiant with 5 tac consoles.
Then its the KDF ships that arent up to par with the Fed ones.
Then its the lockbox ships who got a buff.
I'm always open to discussion about them and also other parts of the PvP system like Chronitons that are still broke etc. And the stuff i just mentioned doesnt mean I agree or disagree with them,
But Come on guys, arent we taking this a bit too serious? Its still a game. Come on, PLEASE.
The PvP community will always all have different opinions about different factors of this game, but lets just drop the QQn for once. What good does it do? It won't really help us balance the game anyway.
it will only cause more heated topics and threads and discussions.
It might be my vision about it, but I am not worried at all about the new stuff and additions, and all the OP stuff. Why would you? again its a game. If you lose you know if its because of the opposing team/players skill, or its because of the OP consoles/ship he uses. Does it really matter? YOU know why something happens because it happens.
Really, I havent used a single pay2win console so far (Except for the impulse capacitor) since this game went f2p. I use a lockbox ship because I like the ship. But even I considered the last few days whether i should buy some nice consoles for my klingon toon.
Personally I have accepted the game and all factors differ and some stuff is better than others. And instead of QQn, I ACT on it. I take advantage of the stuff that is more powerful than other things. (And I dont mean lockboxes or consoles here per se)
But isnt that one of the things that what makes us better? Im also talking about normal pvp factors like skilling, skill tree, bridge officer stations/abilities, weapons loadout, playstyle, etc. timings. Its all stuff that you CAN decide. Most of it ofcourse, if you are too lazy to do something you cannot blame someone else for HAVING something you do not have. I cant but to bring up tje jem hadar ship, this time it went down to 125M ec, in the winter even they came close to or even dropped to below 100M ec.
And sure, Its a payed ship. Some pay for it with real money, some pay with in game EC. The way i see it though, is that you couldve know that these ships were at some point available again, and I know of enough people that can easily collect more then 100M ec in a few weeks, so let alone months or even 6 months, you could have a fortune if you arent lazy enough to take your time for it. Alot of complaining is about that, because people did not obtain a certain ship, or do not WANT to spend their money on a Cstore ship with the included console, it is your CHOICE, but if you do not want to INVEST time to grind EC (to buy a Lockbox ship) or want to invest real money for a lockbox ship or cstore ship or console for it, you seriously cannot QQ about it and blame others for having the stuff.
The same happens when some noob has a Tier 4 ship and doesnt want to buy a Tier 5 ship or want to subscribe of buy a lifetime, wheres ur VA token? its not there. He has just as much right to blame us for having Tier 5 ships from VA tokens because once we were subbers and/or Lifers, he QQ's about the same fact probably.
I just wanted to express my opinion about things, and this QQn will eventually only make you weak because you are not willing to invest time/resources/money for a game. Well its a f2p model now, DEAL with it.
No hard feelings, I think everyone has a different opinion about all this, dnd I decided to express mine. So far I haven't brought myself over to using p2w consoles, but who knows what the future will bring.
To make a big story short, this is what you require, besides good pvp skills and stuff:
- Willingness to invest.
- Good pvp skills these will at some point in your pvp career make you understand that you are the key to your own success, not what the opposing enemy is using.
It will end your bad feelings about the game and the state of balance, because there is no balance. The only balance is what you decide to do.
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If you dont watch it Ill kill my Crimson Mastastiff Puppy unless u pay me 100M EC randsom!!!
You also ignore, how unfun it is to play w/or against exploiters and those who abuse obviously OP TRIBBLE.
I had considered accepting fleet invites and joining a couple of different PvP fleets w/a couple of toons when season 6 rolls out. I just don't see the point w/the way things have been going. They've manage to kill what little fun this game had in both PvE and PvP.
Random Quote from Kerrat
"Sumlobus@****: your mums eat Iced Targ Poo"
C&H Fed banter
QQ'ing about people QQ'ing, are we?
(but yeah, I'm sick of the QQ too)
Ill try to tone it down.
R.I.P
vids and guides and stuff
[9:52] [Zone #11] Neal@trapper1532: im a omega force shadow oprative and a maoc elite camander and here i am taking water samples
As for ransom for the puppy, kill it, I don't know the dog
***Disenchanted***
Real Join Date: Monday, 17 May 2010
Dear lord, at this point we are barely playing in groups bigger than 2 or 3, so I think people can stop blaming pandas for things!
I'd really rather not have to bring up what your fleet is known for, yet again.
@f4tamy | Sad Pandas
Maybe I'm being biased here, but its a win for those that don't wish to join a fleet.
Plus the number of said ships are limited. I highly doubt they will ever make their way into the c-store
That's all it takes... And your cannons scare me more then Jam0's...
And I stand by my not fit for PG13 activites...
***Disenchanted***
Real Join Date: Monday, 17 May 2010
But lets be honest, what does it matter? I'm going to keep using my BUG regardless. My fleet are all set and ready to bang out a starbase and are targetting the military side for the ships, and when i finally get my hands on one i'll fly that too. As the OP says - our complaining has no effect on PWE/Cryptic's ability to **** on the PVP community, so i'm just gonna roll with it, frankly.
+1 to the OP.
@Aquitaine985
Lag Industries STO PvP Fleet - Executive
A Sad Panda of Industrial calibre.
2010: This is Cryptic PvP. Please hold the line, your call is very important to us...
Nice long wall of text doesn't change the fact you are defending the use of the most OP ship ingame and you know it. The bug is so far of the balanced chart that it isnt even on it.
And your talk about skill is total TRIBBLE, no skill will help you if you are in normal escort against bug, that is if the opponent isnt brain dead.
Actually, you can win from it with skill, call it bull****, you will just never understand it.
just have to hope most people that own a jem sucks as much as tallon
Like you mean when you fought with naldo in his fleet escort and match was 5vs1 for you or when he got jem and fought you until stand still belive result was 4vs4?
I get it perfectly and i still dont find it funy.
Honestly, I'd put the new Carrier Escort and Kar-fi up there w/the bug not to mention the other lockbox ships.
But, you're main point still stands. There are ships/gear/doffs/pets etc that can make a world of difference. Some of it's P2W others just regular unbalances to exploits (hello cronts). Just rolling w/it only works to a point, when the game is unfun even for the ones doing the abusing it is well beyond that point.
Random Quote from Kerrat
"Sumlobus@****: your mums eat Iced Targ Poo"
C&H Fed banter
When Yoda fought MT in an MVAM he got a kill or two off on him.
When Yoda got a Bug, Mt went down like a thai hooker, time and time again. :P
QED.
The 'Nice long wall of text', is actually very true. If people don't put in, they're not gonna get out. I don't have a Jem Ship, I would like one! But atm I'm content with an Advanced Escort. Not once have I complained about them except for saying, 'That turn rate is ridiculous.' I accept that I won't be able to beat a skilled player who is flying one in a 1V1, but that's not going to make me cry about it.
I'm unaware as to whether you have one but if your clear frustration with the Jem ship is anything to go on, I'm guessing that you don't? (If you do, just tell me to shut up)
but...
If you did have one, would you be screaming 'OP'?
Would you be screaming 'Unbalanced'?
Would be be screaming 'NERF!'?
probably not, but I would NOT be defending it as balanced or OK. I do not take to screaming unless something is very important to me, and if I had one, I would still feel it's OP, but not feel the need to scream it to the world.
a history of sto pvp: 2010 - 2011
a history of sto pvp: 2012 - 2013
No, i'd keep my mouth shut and know that I had a ridiculously overpowered ship.
if i had one it honestly wouldnt change my position on it at all. i abused the hell out of FAW when it was at its worst, and i still called for it to be fixed.
That's what I do! ^^
@f4tamy | Sad Pandas
but
Try n take it away from me I dare you *waves broken bottle in the air*
@Aquitaine985
Lag Industries STO PvP Fleet - Executive
A Sad Panda of Industrial calibre.
2010: This is Cryptic PvP. Please hold the line, your call is very important to us...
everyone 'cept me...
now I feel like Cryptic is singeling me out! :eek: