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Picard The Best Star Fleet Captian Ever

tylerhenrytylerhenry Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited August 2012 in Ten Forward
Why is Picard an awesome captian everyone thinks Kirk is superior but he was never Locutus of Borg?
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  • nyniknynik Member Posts: 1,628 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    It seems your repeatedly misspelling Janeway.
  • zadamazadama Member Posts: 78 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    nynik wrote: »
    It seems your repeatedly misspelling Janeway.

    Janeway? Looks more like he was trying to say, "Sisko" to me...
  • radkipradkip Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Picard never punched Q in the face. Picard never brought the Romulans and Klingons together as allies. Picard never led a fleet and won a war.

    Picard? He was awesome, but at the same time very boring. He wasn't human, he was an idealistic robot with no negative qualities.
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  • sierrafortunesierrafortune Member Posts: 129 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    radkip wrote: »
    Picard never punched Q in the face. Picard never brought the Romulans and Klingons together as allies. Picard never led a fleet and won a war.

    Picard? He was awesome, but at the same time very boring. He wasn't human, he was an idealistic robot with no negative qualities.

    He couldn't play a flute but seemed to think he could, and he let Wesley Crusher onto his bridge. I'd say he had some pretty large faults.
  • oridjerraaoridjerraa Member Posts: 313 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Actually, Picard is very stubborn, and spiteful(First Contact).


    I still vote Kirk, because his flaws were part of his greatest strengths.
  • sovereignmansovereignman Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    What about Shon?

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  • vetteguy904vetteguy904 Member Posts: 3,938 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    If picard is better than Kirk how come he doesn't have a poster that says, "Jean Luc Picard... I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how Awesome I am."


    and sorry, I have no desire to fly with a captain that has had TWO starships shot out from under him, AND crippled a third.

    thinking about it that way, Janeway is the best ST captain.. all the others lost at least one ship......
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  • admrenlarreckadmrenlarreck Member Posts: 2,041 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Kirk had his moments, Picard had his days, but The Sisko he punched Q in the face. :D
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  • mikewendellmikewendell Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    If picard is better than Kirk how come he doesn't have a poster that says, "Jean Luc Picard... I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how Awesome I am."

    Nah he has one better: http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/145813-jean-luc-picard

    Of course if you ask real nicely, I;m sure someone will put together an Awesome one for you.

    :)
  • sierrafortunesierrafortune Member Posts: 129 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Nah he has one better: http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/145813-jean-luc-picard

    Of course if you ask real nicely, I;m sure someone will put together an Awesome one for you.

    :)

    Personally like Sisko Memes the best

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  • freemason621freemason621 Member Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I've never gotten to watch DS9. I've seen up to season 6 of Voyager and all of TNG.

    I'm starting to like Janeway as a captain...
  • cptjhuntercptjhunter Member Posts: 2,288 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Nah he has one better: http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/145813-jean-luc-picard

    Of course if you ask real nicely, I;m sure someone will put together an Awesome one for you.

    :)

    Totally for the win!:D
  • nyniknynik Member Posts: 1,628 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Janeway memes, full steam ahead! http://i.imgur.com/9CFUK.jpg
  • disposeableh3r0disposeableh3r0 Member Posts: 1,927 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Yes janeway was an inpressive captain for what she did, but, sisko gave us the defiant and...well my sig says it best.
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  • twg042370twg042370 Member Posts: 2,312 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    I just drew a cartoon about this very thing. Weird. I might just scan it and share.
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  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Archer was the Captain who achieved much with little tech
    Pike was a complete wuss
    Kirk was the Captain of my youth and to me at least still the best of them
    Sulu was a good officer and a good captain
    Picard was doing his job but should have been assigned as a diplomat not a ships commander
    Riker id have had placed under close arrest and replaced with Data
    Data was efficient
    Siskos great failing? he had Q down and didn't finish him
    Janeway ???? Psychotic dog abandoning squeeky voiced borg loving child abducting mass murderer

    But the best star fleet captain EVER??

    James Tiberius Kirk
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  • jkstocbrjkstocbr Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    There is only one ...

    Zapp Brannigan
  • wast33wast33 Member Posts: 1,855 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    as i'm aware of that this thread is senseless the more or less, cause it's about taste, i would like to take a guess ;):
    for me it's more about the characters, or may the producers influence. roddenberry went from kirk to picard (also sisko in the beginning?! duno it), according to his fiction of star trek.
    berman then started with letting almost everything explode. don't get me wrong. i just watched the ds9 seasons and found it an awesome professional, good series in whole (again).
    all ended up with janeway, who (if you ask me) reminded me to picard in many situations.
    for me picard as a character, represents the essence of what i always thougt was roddenberrys idea of star trek.
    at least i grew up next generation, so i guess i'm infuenced :)...
  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Picard had the opportunity to destroy the Borg for good via genocide, but didn't. Now we're all paying the consequences of his inaction. I'm sure taking the moral high ground has been of great comfort to all family and friends of the lives lost against the Borg since then.

    You're all forgetting Solok was the best captain. He beat Sisko at his own game, baseball. Vulcan superiority forever.
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  • disposeableh3r0disposeableh3r0 Member Posts: 1,927 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    iconians wrote: »
    Picard had the opportunity to destroy the Borg for good via genocide, but didn't. Now we're all paying the consequences of his inaction. I'm sure taking the moral high ground has been of great comfort to all family and friends of the lives lost against the Borg since then.

    You're all forgetting Solok was the best captain. He beat Sisko at his own game, baseball. Vulcan superiority forever.

    Did he tho? Solok had a clear advantage in bolth his teams experiance and their physical superiority. Sisko just had his friends who only trained for a week. so while Solok may have won the game, He didn't beat Sisko.

    Solok was also a biggot and Thats a trait is unbecoming of a starfleet officer.
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  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Didn't stop Kirk from being bigoted against Klingons, or McCoy calling Spock a green-blooded pointy-eared TRIBBLE. It also didn't stop Worf from being bigoted against Romulans.

    Unbecoming of a starfleet officer? Please. Starfleet has bigots across the board.

    And yes, Solok did beat Sisko at baseball. Scoreboard said so. Victory was solely in the hands of the Logicians.

    He also got the Christopher Pike Medal of Valor twice. Sisko only got it once.

    Advantage: Solok.
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  • disposeableh3r0disposeableh3r0 Member Posts: 1,927 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    iconians wrote: »
    Didn't stop Kirk from being bigoted against Klingons, or McCoy calling Spock a green-blooded pointy-eared TRIBBLE. It also didn't stop Worf from being bigoted against Romulans.

    Unbecoming of a starfleet officer? Please. Starfleet has bigots across the board.

    And yes, Solok did beat Sisko at baseball. Scoreboard said so. Victory was solely in the hands of the Logicians.

    He also got the Christopher Pike Medal of Valor twice. Sisko only got it once.

    Advantage: Solok.


    Kirk distrusted klingons, He never said humans were superior.
    McCoy and Spock were friends and they bickered constantly. McCoy never said he was superior to spock.
    Worf Felt romulans should never be trusted, and with good reason. He never said he was superior.
    Solok flat out stated and wrote multiple papers on how vulcans were superior to humans.
    And commanded a ship where he only chose vulcan crew members so this also demonstrates that he believes vulcans are superior to all other races. Indeed choosing your crew based not on their merrits but on their race is racism.

    Solok's more experianced physicaly stronger team beat Siskos hastily assembled team. Most of whom had never played the game before. And yes, they did win. But it wasn't because Solok was better than Sisko. Indeed we don't know what would have happened had there been a readily available group of people on DS9 who had experiance in the game. Also as you recall both he and Sisko were ejected from the game so the contest was won without them.

    Yes Solok won 2 medals to Siskos one. Solok also only ever commanded one ship where as Sisko was entrusted with an entire fleet and for long periods of time was commanding a desk. When would he have the oportunity to act heroicaly in battle? We also don't know when those medals were awarded to Solok and since vulcand live twice as long as humans we don't know the timeframe in wich he was awarded said medals. we also dont know what medals Sisko was awarded after that date.
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  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Bigotry is still bigotry regardless of whether or not superiority is stated or implied. And the Enterprise has had bigots regularly. Just because a racist or bigoted statement is made in jest or in friendly banter, does not make it okay. But the Enterprise embraced these bigots as the finest the Federation had to offer -- since it was the flagship of the Federation.

    The T'Kumbra is not the only ship to have had a crew made up entirely of vulcans. The USS Intrepid and the USS Hera both had predominantly vulcan crews. Most of the ships we see in Star Trek are crewed mostly by humans, so it stands to reason some would be staffed mostly by vulcans, or andorians, or tellarites or whatever. This does not seem to hint at bigotry or prejudice, and has appeared enough in the franchise that it is not unusual. After all, noone complains that most of Starfleet's ships are crewed mainly by humans.

    It was established in the episode that Solok was attending Starfleet Academy, and was in Sisko's class. Since they were both cadets, it can be assumed that Solok's career length was the same as Sisko's, since they had graduated together -- regardless of Solok's vulcanoid lifespan.

    Sisko had plenty of opportunities to act heroically in battle during the Dominion War, and he was the tip of the spear against the Dominion, along with General Martok. Sisko was the golden boy of the Dominion War, and the fact he was not recognized more often shouldn't be taken that Sisko wasn't acting heroically, but that Solok was simply going above and beyond what Sisko had done. And what Sisko has demonstrated in the Dominion War is no small feat in of itself.

    If Sisko was not willing to go up against the Logicians, he could have simply declined Solok's invitation to a baseball game and cited his lack of preparation time and his lack of skilled athletes. The odds were stacked against him from the get go, and he accepted anyway out of pride and ego. Solok had manipulated Sisko by using his emotions against him, knowing how close baseball was to his heart. Sisko instead accepted and was steadfastly adamant he could beat Solok's team because their team had heart -- where the vulcans had only cold logic. Solok once again proved his superior tactics and vulcan logic.

    And Sisko was proven wrong. Solok triumphed. Best captain in Star Trek? Solok.
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  • disposeableh3r0disposeableh3r0 Member Posts: 1,927 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    While it is true that there is mention of crews dominated by a single species. And that humans seem to dominate starfleet. I don't think any of those ship had captaind who actively comissioned only officers and crew of a single species. It was stated that Solok and not a higher command authority crewed his ship exclusively with vulcans because he felt they were superior and was going to prove it. And yes he manipulated Sisko into that game most likely to show his superiority in a human endevor and his superiority over Sisko.
    The contest itself had little to do with either of them personaly as it wasn't a contest strictly between them ( like the wrestling match that started it.) Indeed the only kind of contest that could prove wich one is superior would be one that removed their innate advantages/disadvantages and dealt with only their capacity as individuals.(IE no physical requirement no emotional requirement.) Perhaps a test like the kobiashi maru.

    And the thing with medals is most times there are dozens if not hundred of people who deserve one for one reason or another and don't recieve one. (like a superior officer didn't witness the act or your superior officer didn't think it was that great) SO in actuality it is a poor measure of some ones greatness.

    As for McCoy and Spok, the things said between them were indeed insults but were not generaly derogotory.

    These things are mostly irrelevant tho since the argument is wether or not Solok is a bigot and wether this is unbecoming of a starfleet officer.

    To me using every opportunity you get to some how prove your superiority over a group of people you are not part of, is bigotry. even if all your efforts and examples are targeted or derived from one individual, Using them as a bench mark for an entire species is at best elitist.
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  • mikewendellmikewendell Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    Best captain was Morgan Bateson. He did his job, kept his mouth shut and didn't cause any trouble.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    and sorry, I have no desire to fly with a captain that has had TWO starships shot out from under him, AND crippled a third.
    NCC 1701 Enterprise destroyed
    Bird of Prey destroyed
    NCC 1701-A Enterprise A seriously damaged
    Also several Constitution Class ships crippled or destroyed by the Enterprise
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  • disposeableh3r0disposeableh3r0 Member Posts: 1,927 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    NCC 1701 Enterprise destroyed
    Bird of Prey destroyed
    NCC 1701-A Enterprise A seriously damaged
    Also several Constitution Class ships crippled or destroyed by the Enterprise

    I think he was refering to picard.
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  • chrisedallen89chrisedallen89 Member Posts: 17,293 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    JAMES T. KIRK ^_^

    or SISKO!!!

    Picard.... heh good luck with that.
  • lilchibiclarililchibiclari Member Posts: 1,193 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    iconians wrote: »
    If Sisko was not willing to go up against the Logicians, he could have simply declined Solok's invitation to a baseball game and cited his lack of preparation time and his lack of skilled athletes. The odds were stacked against him from the get go, and he accepted anyway out of pride and ego. Solok had manipulated Sisko by using his emotions against him, knowing how close baseball was to his heart. Sisko instead accepted and was steadfastly adamant he could beat Solok's team because their team had heart -- where the vulcans had only cold logic. Solok once again proved his superior tactics and vulcan logic.

    And Sisko was proven wrong. Solok triumphed. Best captain in Star Trek? Solok.

    The main complaint against Solok is that he treated the Niners' lack of preparedness as evidence of their inherent incompetence and was in every way a sore winner. He was running on pride even more than Sisko was.
  • disposeableh3r0disposeableh3r0 Member Posts: 1,927 Arc User
    edited July 2012
    As a time traveller, Am I supposed to pack underwear or underwhen?

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