you are seen as an organised mauler group (ie you exist to maul and beat up on others)
the "cubs" thing is seen as a sort of Pvp visitor youth in some respects an indoctrination or training cadre
Also pandas are observed to win when they should not (single panda vrs 3 normal folks)
this is considered Evidence of cheating
Much of this is due to "min max" and "key bind" use
(which a lot of people don't use)
plus of course non canon weapons loads (which should mean automatic defeat to a canon ship in the eyes of most of the real trekies)
A lot of people feel that a Canon armed B'rel should be able to destroy an infinate number of non canon armed Defiants purely because they ARE non canon
please note this is all about perception
I have seen all pandas die in combat this is so not true.
"but your honour 30 members of my own gang saw me not stab him with the chainsaw"
and I did not mention "not dying" there is a certain degree of improbable damage soaking however
yes you need to accept that you are considered suspect and that the normal folks do not want to play with you
ok remember as a kid you played out in the street?
Well imagine it as a game of baseball
one team is a group of random kids
All are talented (maybe good enough to one day go professional in some cases) but they are random , just a group of kids , their gear is an old fence pole for a bat a tennis ball for a ball and the bases are marked with jumpers
THEN the other team turns up
They come in a Coach in uniforms , they have masks , helmetes , custom mitts , alloy bats (which they won't share)
They are coached by a Former all star
And individually They AREN'T Talented
but they ARE Trained , schooled and better equipped
(Equal gear , equal odds you guys can and DO get beaten but you never do turn up with Equal gear do ya)
incidentally did you know there is now a Fleet calling itself "True Panda" advertising in ESD?
Frankly I don't care what people think generally when it comes to TSI or me but, when you have someone who gains trust of helping new fleets and then feed them poison like there are fleets out there who are cheating and your going to loose against them because they cheat.
I don't know thing is this guy is pretty decent hes not one of the newbies that just shout cheat after you stomp him in a pug-game, and that makes it even harder to convince him. Don't think its possible.
I know from 2 years of experience of playing pvp that there are other fleet leaders out there who try to force their members to think/believe in builds they don't feel comfortable using and their play style doesn't match their "leader", People bicker about who's the target caller or who's making the broad in-game decisions.
I guess the only reason the people of these fleets that hide in this secret channel and play each other are going to join OrganizedPVP or the General PVP community is going to be that they are bored of playing the same safe teams.
incidentally did you know there is now a Fleet calling itself "True Panda" advertising in ESD?
haha! I knew it! they're not haxxors, they're imposters!
On the note of perception:
Saying that you don't cheat, weighs just as heavy as someone else saying you do cheat. As long as no side can present proof.
However, claiming that SOMEONE cheat, is almost certainly true. The interwebz is full of people too talented for their own good, and it would be a shock for me to hear that noone have been able to break through the barriers in STO. (claims that "noone have", even from Cryptic, are also invalid )
Frankly I don't care what people think generally when it comes to TSI or me but, when you have someone who gains trust of helping new fleets and then feed them poison like there are fleets out there who are cheating and your going to loose against them because they cheat.
I don't know thing is this guy is pretty decent hes not one of the newbies that just shout cheat after you stomp him in a pug-game, and that makes it even harder to convince him. Don't think its possible.
I know from 2 years of experience of playing pvp that there are other fleet leaders out there who try to force their members to think/believe in builds they don't feel comfortable using and their play style doesn't match their "leader", People bicker about who's the target caller or who's making the broad in-game decisions.
I guess the only reason the people of these fleets that hide in this secret channel and play each other are going to join OrganizedPVP or the General PVP community is going to be that they are bored of playing the same safe teams.
Just to chime in on this. That individual to which we all know about, was on my friends list. Decent player, listened most of the time in team chat for targets, sucks as a fight controller (too narrow minded). However, in the course of the last 6 months..he got on my fleets nerves, coming on to TS, talking about hax this, blah blah that, and at no time did we ever get any concrete evidence proving claims. We kicked/banned him from our server, after unanimous decision. And then replied to one of us before we got ignored by 'Have fun playing with idiots'
No one is unkillable, just that theres a bunch in this thread that are damn tough, but it can be done we all know that teamwork wins the day. That and a good batch of cookiees
Cheers!
He is a good player no one is denying this but the sheer fact that he thinks anyone better than him is exploiting shows he is a sore loser. He wasnt raging until 1 person killed him in pvp. He should not be going to the pugs that was with us fleet boss's saying your guys were with pandas and was cheating with dem. Also going to la familia my other pvp fleet saying your fleety is cheating. A. no proof B. these people I known for a long time im talking 100's in this game know how I feel against cheating and realise im not.
you are seen as an organised mauler group (ie you exist to maul and beat up on others)
the "cubs" thing is seen as a sort of Pvp visitor youth in some respects an indoctrination or training cadre
Also pandas are observed to win when they should not (single panda vrs 3 normal folks)
this is considered Evidence of cheating
Much of this is due to "min max" and "key bind" use
(which a lot of people don't use)
plus of course non canon weapons loads (which should mean automatic defeat to a canon ship in the eyes of most of the real trekies)
A lot of people feel that a Canon armed B'rel should be able to destroy an infinate number of non canon armed Defiants purely because they ARE non canon
please note this is all about perception
2 things to note,
why do you see it as indoctrination instead of help? im asking seriously on this. at what point do you see helping someone who asks for it as becomming a point in being brainwashed?
second- why do you feel this game needs to have canon ships in combat? if that was the intention of the dev's dont you think they would have made feds only able to have phasers and klingons to only have distruptors, why do you then feel its needed to point out that a ship not set up like the show will beat a ship set up like the show? how is this even relavant to the game?
why do you see it as indoctrination instead of help? im asking seriously on this. at what point do you see helping someone who asks for it as becomming a point in being brainwashed?
second- why do you feel this game needs to have canon ships in combat? if that was the intention of the dev's dont you think they would have made feds only able to have phasers and klingons to only have distruptors, why do you then feel its needed to point out that a ship not set up like the show will beat a ship set up like the show? how is this even relavant to the game?
Use of the word "cub"
same as fleets where you join as a "recruit" or a "minion" or an "ensign"
looks patronising
sounds it too (also many of the people you are indoctrinating have the potential to learn without it and become Better than with it )
And my own personal view is that a ship with phasers should do the SAME damage as the same ship with anti proton weapons
and the visual effect should be just that purely visual
in PVP only the mk of the weapons should count
I wasn't aware there was a separation of "communities" until this thread. That's too bad. Knowing the person in question, not surprising. It's unfortunate as he was a member of our fleet for a while.
I totally support the idea of thread and 4monkey's intentions, as we are too small a community to be divided. I'm just not sure what it would take at this point, which is too bad.
Use of the word "cub"
same as fleets where you join as a "recruit" or a "minion" or an "ensign"
looks patronising
sounds it too (also many of the people you are indoctrinating have the potential to learn without it and become Better than with it )
And my own personal view is that a ship with phasers should do the SAME damage as the same ship with anti proton weapons
and the visual effect should be just that purely visual
in PVP only the mk of the weapons should count
Well they're pandas, so cubs? Also phasers imho are better than any weapon type atm incl antiprotons because of the proc effect is just too nasty.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Your Ramming Speed III deals 52098 (99235) Kinetic Damage(Critical) to Remus.
Use of the word "cub"
same as fleets where you join as a "recruit" or a "minion" or an "ensign"
looks patronising
sounds it too (also many of the people you are indoctrinating have the potential to learn without it and become Better than with it )
And my own personal view is that a ship with phasers should do the SAME damage as the same ship with anti proton weapons
and the visual effect should be just that purely visual
in PVP only the mk of the weapons should count
If you knew the history and didn't approach this with the huge chip on your shoulder that I've observed you have, you would know the how and why of that name. It is appropriate. The Sad Pandas are a bunch of veteran and top notch pvp'ers. While Cubs are technically offspring, the image fits. Sad Pandas made a training fleet for less experienced pvp'ers and/or newbie players of STO. Kudos to them for that. If the people that dont' have a problem being part of Sad Panda Cubs, why do you have a problem with it being named so? That's preposterous.
Also, because of the modifiers, phasers are able to do MORE damage than AP (because of accx3), and get more kills because of their innate proc. If you pvp'd with any regularity, you would know this.
you are seen as an organised mauler group (ie you exist to maul and beat up on others)
the "cubs" thing is seen as a sort of Pvp visitor youth in some respects an indoctrination or training cadre
Also pandas are observed to win when they should not (single panda vrs 3 normal folks)
this is considered Evidence of cheating
Much of this is due to "min max" and "key bind" use
(which a lot of people don't use)
plus of course non canon weapons loads (which should mean automatic defeat to a canon ship in the eyes of most of the real trekies)
A lot of people feel that a Canon armed B'rel should be able to destroy an infinate number of non canon armed Defiants purely because they ARE non canon
please note this is all about perception
I can safely say that to upto now, none of the cubs have joined the Pandas. Also, there are more none "Sad Panda Cubs" members we help. We are actively helping full fleets and not indoctrinating as the perception goes. I'm sure the people we have helped will say otherwise....
Some of the people we are currently helping were also part of the "he who shall not be mentioned" fold. The fleet is called Alpha Legion. They now have more fun as we do not "force" builds onto them - rather help improve what they want to do in pvp.
Before you say anything, permission was asked from Alpha Legion to use their Fleet name.
As for making people over in our image, i'll have some of the stuff your on.....
I can safely say that to upto now, none of the cubs have joined the Pandas. Also, there are more none "Sad Panda Cubs" members we help. We are actively helping full fleets and not indoctrinating as the perception goes. I'm sure the people we have helped will say otherwise....
Some of the people we are currently helping were also part of the "he who shall not be mentioned" fold. The fleet is called Alpha Legion. They now have more fun as we do not "force" builds onto them - rather help improve what they want to do in pvp.
Before you say anything, permission was asked from Alpha Legion to use their Fleet name.
Didnt u made a post 2 weeks ago u would stop playing this game?
you are seen as an organised mauler group (ie you exist to maul and beat up on others)
the "cubs" thing is seen as a sort of Pvp visitor youth in some respects an indoctrination or training cadre
Also pandas are observed to win when they should not (single panda vrs 3 normal folks)
this is considered Evidence of cheating
Much of this is due to "min max" and "key bind" use
(which a lot of people don't use)
plus of course non canon weapons loads (which should mean automatic defeat to a canon ship in the eyes of most of the real trekies)
A lot of people feel that a Canon armed B'rel should be able to destroy an infinate number of non canon armed Defiants purely because they ARE non canon
please note this is all about perception
Get in the queues and get ur ballz kicked and stop babbling on the forums
"No, there is no real problem with P2W in STO. Obviously, if you fight against someone with an equal level of skill in the game, better equipment will give you an edge. But usually, it is the skill level that determines the outcome, not the P2W." -Logimo
so yeah yesterday i caught mr i dont exploit exploiting chroniton proc, but caught him also when pvping againt us TBR'ing when he went to tsi and said tbr is broken. do you not see hippocrytism in here? the guy has no grounds for talking about exploits and going against them when sing them himself, i have pix of him doing it with his sci.
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I have seen all pandas die in combat this is so not true.
"but your honour 30 members of my own gang saw me not stab him with the chainsaw"
and I did not mention "not dying" there is a certain degree of improbable damage soaking however
yes you need to accept that you are considered suspect and that the normal folks do not want to play with you
ok remember as a kid you played out in the street?
Well imagine it as a game of baseball
one team is a group of random kids
All are talented (maybe good enough to one day go professional in some cases) but they are random , just a group of kids , their gear is an old fence pole for a bat a tennis ball for a ball and the bases are marked with jumpers
THEN the other team turns up
They come in a Coach in uniforms , they have masks , helmetes , custom mitts , alloy bats (which they won't share)
They are coached by a Former all star
And individually They AREN'T Talented
but they ARE Trained , schooled and better equipped
(Equal gear , equal odds you guys can and DO get beaten but you never do turn up with Equal gear do ya)
incidentally did you know there is now a Fleet calling itself "True Panda" advertising in ESD?
I don't know thing is this guy is pretty decent hes not one of the newbies that just shout cheat after you stomp him in a pug-game, and that makes it even harder to convince him. Don't think its possible.
I know from 2 years of experience of playing pvp that there are other fleet leaders out there who try to force their members to think/believe in builds they don't feel comfortable using and their play style doesn't match their "leader", People bicker about who's the target caller or who's making the broad in-game decisions.
I guess the only reason the people of these fleets that hide in this secret channel and play each other are going to join OrganizedPVP or the General PVP community is going to be that they are bored of playing the same safe teams.
Enjoy the game tho..
Zorena
haha! I knew it! they're not haxxors, they're imposters!
On the note of perception:
Saying that you don't cheat, weighs just as heavy as someone else saying you do cheat. As long as no side can present proof.
However, claiming that SOMEONE cheat, is almost certainly true. The interwebz is full of people too talented for their own good, and it would be a shock for me to hear that noone have been able to break through the barriers in STO. (claims that "noone have", even from Cryptic, are also invalid
R.I.P
I found him standing on the balcony in the club
There is so much truth in this quote.
He is a good player no one is denying this but the sheer fact that he thinks anyone better than him is exploiting shows he is a sore loser. He wasnt raging until 1 person killed him in pvp. He should not be going to the pugs that was with us fleet boss's saying your guys were with pandas and was cheating with dem. Also going to la familia my other pvp fleet saying your fleety is cheating. A. no proof B. these people I known for a long time im talking 100's in this game know how I feel against cheating and realise im not.
WAIT WAIT!!! What sort of cookies? Everyone knows Chocolate Chip is OP and Oatmeal needs a buff.
Does that batch include milk?
R.I.P
We spend hours and hours perfecting builds - when we loose, we look at what combinations beat us rather than call the opposition cheats or hackers.
I myself go through loads of builds and respecs a week just to squeeze that little extra out of my ships.
If that is haxing, then i am!
2 things to note,
why do you see it as indoctrination instead of help? im asking seriously on this. at what point do you see helping someone who asks for it as becomming a point in being brainwashed?
second- why do you feel this game needs to have canon ships in combat? if that was the intention of the dev's dont you think they would have made feds only able to have phasers and klingons to only have distruptors, why do you then feel its needed to point out that a ship not set up like the show will beat a ship set up like the show? how is this even relavant to the game?
Use of the word "cub"
same as fleets where you join as a "recruit" or a "minion" or an "ensign"
looks patronising
sounds it too (also many of the people you are indoctrinating have the potential to learn without it and become Better than with it )
And my own personal view is that a ship with phasers should do the SAME damage as the same ship with anti proton weapons
and the visual effect should be just that purely visual
in PVP only the mk of the weapons should count
I totally support the idea of thread and 4monkey's intentions, as we are too small a community to be divided. I'm just not sure what it would take at this point, which is too bad.
Arawn - SOB
OP *is* the new balance, whether you know it or not! Gecko says so.
Season 7 - Exodus, available online. U buy nao!
http://seekingalpha.com/article/738221-monetizing-perfect-world-s-latest-update
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Well they're pandas, so cubs? Also phasers imho are better than any weapon type atm incl antiprotons because of the proc effect is just too nasty.
Your Ramming Speed III deals 52098 (99235) Kinetic Damage(Critical) to Remus.
If you knew the history and didn't approach this with the huge chip on your shoulder that I've observed you have, you would know the how and why of that name. It is appropriate. The Sad Pandas are a bunch of veteran and top notch pvp'ers. While Cubs are technically offspring, the image fits. Sad Pandas made a training fleet for less experienced pvp'ers and/or newbie players of STO. Kudos to them for that. If the people that dont' have a problem being part of Sad Panda Cubs, why do you have a problem with it being named so? That's preposterous.
Also, because of the modifiers, phasers are able to do MORE damage than AP (because of accx3), and get more kills because of their innate proc. If you pvp'd with any regularity, you would know this.
Arawn - SOB
OP *is* the new balance, whether you know it or not! Gecko says so.
Season 7 - Exodus, available online. U buy nao!
http://seekingalpha.com/article/738221-monetizing-perfect-world-s-latest-update
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
in pvp weapons should be equalised
I have never liked "elites"of any kind (in the old days an elite was a suicide unit the first into battle the last out of it )
and the idea of making people over in your own image is counter trek
I can safely say that to upto now, none of the cubs have joined the Pandas. Also, there are more none "Sad Panda Cubs" members we help. We are actively helping full fleets and not indoctrinating as the perception goes. I'm sure the people we have helped will say otherwise....
Some of the people we are currently helping were also part of the "he who shall not be mentioned" fold. The fleet is called Alpha Legion. They now have more fun as we do not "force" builds onto them - rather help improve what they want to do in pvp.
Before you say anything, permission was asked from Alpha Legion to use their Fleet name.
As for making people over in our image, i'll have some of the stuff your on.....
Didnt u made a post 2 weeks ago u would stop playing this game?
Get in the queues and get ur ballz kicked and stop babbling on the forums
This means Cryptic is patronising me every time I roll a new toon! And I never even suspected...this is outrageous.
but the STO at it's best is as trek as possible, mkey? And in Star Trek, everyone graduating from SFA gets the rank of ensign!
ensign=patronising,trek=good,ensign=trek,patronising=bad
this means patronising=good, and patronising=trek... wich leads us further to good=bad. I think you may be counter you.
As i remember, it was "Almost the nail in the coffin for me" thread....
the ones that treat people as resources use "ensign"
none of us stays an ensign longer than an hour
Poor soul didnt have time to log out.
Well because we have a sense of humor in SOB, I won't tell you what our levels are.
But they are entertaining. And no one stays a lowbie for long unless it's an oversight or they don't log on much.
Arawn - SOB
OP *is* the new balance, whether you know it or not! Gecko says so.
Season 7 - Exodus, available online. U buy nao!
http://seekingalpha.com/article/738221-monetizing-perfect-world-s-latest-update
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
im gonna change my fleet ranks
nobody
slave
high slave
wannabe
chump
gettin close
still-not-me
He'll justify his own actions by saying "It was a demonstration of things that are broken" or some BS like that.
This Guy always reminds me what can happen if you take all this to serious. ^^
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