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alphaomega1500
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What Starship design is going to be used for the FHEC.
Since The FHEC is going to be the only other starship able to use the Torpedo Point Defence System.
I was wondering what class of starship it could be.
I'm hoping it might be the Promethus Class With the MVA system and the other point defence system added to the Torpedo Point defence system and 2 or 3 hangers.
The Promethus as a possible Fleet Heavy Escort Carrier and with all of its BO slots being universal (2) Commander, (4) Lt.Commander slots
The Promethus has my vote for Fleet Heavy Escort Carrier
Since The FHEC is going to be the only other starship able to use the Torpedo Point Defence System.
I was wondering what class of starship it could be.
I'm hoping it might be the Promethus Class With the MVA system and the other point defence system added to the Torpedo Point defence system and 2 or 3 hangers.
The Promethus as a possible Fleet Heavy Escort Carrier and with all of its BO slots being universal (2) Commander, (4) Lt.Commander slots
The Promethus has my vote for Fleet Heavy Escort Carrier
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The Armitage IS a Fleet Escort with pets.
That's almost precisely what it is.
Still, asking for 2 Commander and 4 LTC Boffs, Universal at that? In an Escort of all things? This is either a troll post or you're TRIBBLE when it comes to system balance.
"Yes, I fly a Galaxy-X... and yes, I just 1-shotted you with it." -- Alcione@Hakaishin
Also check out the information listed on the Torpedo Point Defence System.
Their is the Heavy Escort Carrier ( The Armitage) and the their is listed a Fleet Heavy Escort Carrier
Irrelevant. The ship functions as a Fleet Escort with a console and pets. The ship's functionality and combat tactics are almost identical.
I don't care what the console designates it as.
I use the ship. I know how it flies. Avidly in both PvE and PvP.
Nevertheless... name one other ship that even has a 2nd Commander slot ANYWHERE in the game. Name one ship, even without ANY Commander slots, that has 4x LTC Boffs.
Name a ship that would be so asinine as to make this many OP BOFF slots, and then make them Universal.
At the same time, giving it the maneuverability and function of an Escort.
Then while you're at it, define how this would not be ridiculous in the game by combining its ability to multi-vector AND have up to 3 Hangar bays, then give it yet ANOTHER point defense bonus.
If you can do that with a straight face without saying the ship has absolutely no shield system at all and the hull of the Miranda starter ship, then I will say you're a moron.
If you can do that without a straight face, then I will say you're a troll.
The fact of the matter however is even if the level cap increased to level 60, and a new Tier-6 fleet were designed, even with +1 variants, this ship you suggest would be ridiculously overpowered and pathetic if implemented.
"Yes, I fly a Galaxy-X... and yes, I just 1-shotted you with it." -- Alcione@Hakaishin
I do wonder, though, if it will have an extra tac console or an extra eng console (I would imagine it would be eng, but you never know)
An extra Tac console would be ridiculously OP. It'll be an eng or sci console.
I assume you didnt see the Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit with 5 tactical consoles then?
The Fleet ships have the same model as the original ship (eg the Fleet Tactical Retrofit Escort is a Defiant). They will come with a new fleet only material, and any fleet ship that has a C-store version will be able to use the console, but will not come with it so if you want a Fleet Heavy Escort Carrier Retrofit with a Torpedo Point Defense System you will need to own the C-store Armitage. (All of this was confirmed in the Priority One Supplemental Interview with Geko.)
So buying the HEC gets you the Armitage with Material 6 and the Torpedo Point Defence System.
Buying the FHECR gets you the Armitage with a new material for fleets and nothing else. If you want a FHECR with a Torpedo Point Defence System you will need both of them.
(As I typed this message.... I realized that every abbreviation was just crazy.... lol)
When it does come out, based on the other ships, it will likely have:
- More base hull. Fleet versions of the Patrol Escort and the Defiant gained 4k hull and 3k hull from their non-fleet versions.
- A higher shield modifier.
- Another console slot somewhere. Probably an Engineering one.
- Possibly a degree or two more turn-rate.
It might have a different BOff layout, but I honestly can't see a realistic BOff layout that'd be better than the current one. Changing something to a Universal slot is a maybe, but I'd just fly it using the same layout it has now.
Unless they decide to put two Lt. C BOffs onto it, but I don't think they'll do that.
They could put another hangar on it either, but imo that would be a bit silly.
2 Commander BOFFs, 4 LTC BOFFs. No ship even has 2 Commanders, far less making every other tier LTC.
All universal.
Another point defense ON TOP of the Armitage's.
Multi-Vector capability.
Plus up to 3 additional Hangar bays.
Ridiculous in the purest sense of the word.
"Yes, I fly a Galaxy-X... and yes, I just 1-shotted you with it." -- Alcione@Hakaishin
1. The "Fleet" (anything) is just a Fleet Starbase purchased version of an existing ship. Thus the "Fleet Heavy Escort Carrier" would be the Armitage which is a Heavy Escort Carrier.
2. Your BOff layout is so ridiculously overpowered, it's not even funny. I think it's pretty much universal at Tier 5, that all ships have 12 BOff abilities, divided by having 1 Commander, 1 Lt Commander, and some combination of Lieutenant's and Ensigns. What you're suggesting, would give the so-called "Prometheus Retrofit" a total of TWENTY BOff abilities. Effectively making it nearly twice as powerful as any Tier 5 ship.
In short: Troll.
But you tell me. Would it be so bad.
If they came up with a way on making all your BOFF slots universal ones in the future ???
Now as to how a Promethus Class starship could carry 2 or 4 hangers. That is easy.
The upper main hull divide would have 1 or 2 hangers.
The bottom main hull divide would have 1 or 2 hangers.
Now for the ARITAGE:
The ARTIAGE can carry and does carry BOTH point defence systems and the Quad Pulse cannons.
Add a Tac Boff or 2 with Torpedo Spread III (3) and the amount of firepower you can through out is amazing.
Follow that up with any cannon bounus those Tac officers have. When using the quad pulse cannons.
You could have created one of a few starships put out that could be setup to be a 1 or 2 hit wonders.
Finally, Yes I have seen the updated version of the Defiant and I do have enought fleet points on tribble to get it when it does come out.
I just hope I can transfer the quad cannon and any other goodies from their to my ARITAGE.
You went overboard with the 2 Commander BOFFs... AND everything else.
Take 2 gamers of equal skill. Put one in a Sovereign Assault Cruiser, the other in this ridiculous monstrosity you just developed.
Think about it REALLY hard.
Which do you think would win just about every match (barring the few that the ridiculous monstrosity's pilot wasn't falling asleep based on how stupidly easy and boring it is)?
Up to 2 hangar bays per separation... So you have Scorpion Fighters (3 pets), multi-vector (2 more pets + your primary ship, that you can swap between at will no less), each with up to 2 bays that can launch up to 6 fighters each (up to 36 additional pets).
You're unleashing 42 individual targets at once (triple the capacity of any carrier in the game).
On an Escort, with all its base firepower and maneuverability advantages.
No other ship has 2 Commanders.
Every other ship is FORCED to have 1 Ensign at least, and 1 Lieutenant at least.
4x LTCs? Really?
All Universal? REALLY?!
*facepalmqwertytattoo*
...I stand by my stance that you're a moron.
"Yes, I fly a Galaxy-X... and yes, I just 1-shotted you with it." -- Alcione@Hakaishin
10% more hp on ships
So 35,200 hp on the FHEC
It is a heavy escort carrier refit. What is surprising, why there is no T5 Heavy Escort Refit. I am not arguing for a better ship, but for a heavy escort without pets. After all many of us bought the Thunderchild skin, which is a heavy escort, not a carrier.
First we must pay for the carrier function and now it can be gained free of charge?! An outrage!
What could be done is having a Fleet Heavy Escort without carrier ability for everyone and then grant those that bought an Armitage the carrier ability.
The same could be said forall other ships with a special ability.
Furthermore I'd like to ask why are all those old ships still in service? All ships should have a post 2409 design regarding the retrofits and fleet retrofits. I mean starfleet is at war so its ship yards should be building non stop and old ships should not be built anymore because they are not equal to the new ships anymore.
Now that we get fleet ships, why not make Fleet Heavy Escort. Even if they strip the Armitage of his carrier function, they can have a dozens of choices to make it different (armour, turn rate, etc).
Also the Thunderchild has the Point Defense Console. It made it somewhat unique. Now with the Armitage the Thunderchild is, pardon the pun, a step-child.
2409 isn't that far ahead into the future and huge spaceframes like starships don't age that fast.
Even real world ships and aircraft are still viable and extremely effective after decades.
Just look at the excelsior, a starship design nearly a century old was still in frontline service during the Dominion war right up until its conclusion in 2375.
In fact, Excelsior class ships were still being built as late as 2371, 81 years after the NCC-2000 entered into active service.
Age does not automatically make a starship design outdated or obsolete, but that does not mean all designs as viable for long time service.
It's the Armitage, note the M.
The only ship with Universal BOFFs only gets 4 and that's the Klingon Raider Class Bird of Prey, if other ships get a complete Universal BOFF with 5 BOFFs why is the Bird of Prey giving up an Ensign?
I will never understand the Concept of 2 Commanders on a ship? Due to the Nature of how the game works this is related to Powers. In the TV Shows and Movies there was only ever 1 Captain and 1 Commander on a ship.
I don't think we are going to ever see 2 Commanders on a single ship. Look at the Carriers layout. 1 Comm, 2Lt.Com, 1Lt. I could see some ships getting that layout but not a second Commander. At most I see a Lt getting a bump up to being Lt.Com and the Ens going up to a Lt or maybe adding a second Ens.
I'm also the kind of person who doesn't believe we are getting T6 ships, what we have now is kind of it for power limit. The Fleet versions are different BOFF layouts and Console slots with 10 Consoles instead of 9. Do Flagship refits get 11?
The Armitage doesn't really give up anything to get it's Hanger Bay, just because it's there doesn't mean you have to use it. It makes a fantastic T5 Akira or Thunderchild with or without it's Hanger bay.
If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why.
When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
Well put, though something to consider...
...the fleet ships.
There is a T5 regular Akira, and it is quite strong, even without a hangar bay.
Then, they also have the new Armitage... the Fleet variant... 10% higher shields and hull, and an additional Science console (which means either +18% more shields, or another P2W console).
Just something to keep in mind.
"Yes, I fly a Galaxy-X... and yes, I just 1-shotted you with it." -- Alcione@Hakaishin
Rear Admiral , Engineering Division
U.S.S. Sheffield N.C.C. 92016
I'm not so sure. It's a T5 Shipyard, which means only 5 tiers of military... Large fleets, or even coordinated small fleets of elite players, will have that access quickly.
Do not place faith in Cryptic's assumptions... they've NEVER been correct. Not once.
Ever.
Players will surpass their expectations EVERY time.
I would anticipate seeing them in PvP far faster than you and Cryptic grant credit for.
A fleet as vast as 12th, I'm certain you of all would know that.
"Yes, I fly a Galaxy-X... and yes, I just 1-shotted you with it." -- Alcione@Hakaishin
and if we do see them earlier , then so be it , its gonna be a couple months at least though
Rear Admiral , Engineering Division
U.S.S. Sheffield N.C.C. 92016
Yes, but that is a Fleet version of the Tactical Escort Retrofit Defiant/Sao Paulo, not the Armitage.
Check out the pic in the Aquarious Destroyer/ Fleet destroyer Thread
Technically the enterprise d and e had three commanders. Riker, Crusher, and Troi but what the OP is proposing is way beyond over powered. The Armitage is fine how it is, it doesn't need more hangers or insane BO builds.
One of the commanders could be called a CAG or Carrier Air/Space Group Commander.
In charge of Carrier Group Operations as a new BOFF for certain starships in STO