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rachelj88
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I like PvP, enjoy the matches I queue for, regardless of getting rolled or even winning by 1 kill, but I'm getting really restless over complete 5 man pre-made teams (you are out there!) whats the deal?
I know I'll get flamed but whenever I team up with anyone its with one person, you can doubt my claim but I do. there is alot of imbalance I am aware, but adding to that imbalance are these 5 man pre-mades no?
random pre-made setup, 2tacs - heavy cruiser - healer sci - mid cruiser or carrier.
so that team is probably well gelled know what they have to do VS pugs who may have the experience or not.
I quote Captain Kirk " I don't believe in the no-win scenario ".
please stop 5 man teaming! or atleast do those matches privately, and I know many do. if you're going to use the PvP window decrease your team size 2 man or 3 man is good.
as mentioned I enjoy PvP but I'm sure all of you would get tired of knowing that when you pug by yourself, the chances of a 5 man pre-made are pretty high.
RachelJ88
P.S. I don't want to step on toes, I just want to PvP fairly and gain some percentage of balance.
P.S.S. I'll probably be told to get a 5 man team and shut up, but I'm against pre-mades so I'm not doing something I don't believe in!
I know I'll get flamed but whenever I team up with anyone its with one person, you can doubt my claim but I do. there is alot of imbalance I am aware, but adding to that imbalance are these 5 man pre-mades no?
random pre-made setup, 2tacs - heavy cruiser - healer sci - mid cruiser or carrier.
so that team is probably well gelled know what they have to do VS pugs who may have the experience or not.
I quote Captain Kirk " I don't believe in the no-win scenario ".
please stop 5 man teaming! or atleast do those matches privately, and I know many do. if you're going to use the PvP window decrease your team size 2 man or 3 man is good.
as mentioned I enjoy PvP but I'm sure all of you would get tired of knowing that when you pug by yourself, the chances of a 5 man pre-made are pretty high.
RachelJ88
P.S. I don't want to step on toes, I just want to PvP fairly and gain some percentage of balance.
P.S.S. I'll probably be told to get a 5 man team and shut up, but I'm against pre-mades so I'm not doing something I don't believe in!
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This has been done many a time before, and there aren't too many people around here that will sympathise with your position.
I'm predominantly a pugger and, like it or not, facing a premade is just something we have to put up with. Put a smile on your face, take your deaths and try to learn something, then say gg.
Most of the 'premades' you might see in the queues are actually just a few friends in the same fleet that are playing together, maybe not even using voice comms. And who are we to tell those people who they can and can't team up with?
EDIT:
Also, do you know how hard it is for a premade to find another premade to play against in a private match? Very. So by limiting premade teams to private matches, you severlety limit the time that those people can play with their fleetmates.
I can understand, I team with my friends alot only really 2/3 we've had some good games and some roll overs. I suppose I'm just not a PvPer
RachelJ88
P.S.
I see your point there.
there are PvP Channels though and probably a fair ammount of PvPers don't use the forums, so maybe at the end of a PvP a player could suggest the PvP tab ( I know it may not work. )
vids and guides and stuff
[9:52] [Zone #11] Neal@trapper1532: im a omega force shadow oprative and a maoc elite camander and here i am taking water samples
I hope Gozer wrote this down in some big letters and gives it to whoever will take over his job. If anyone.
Thats what I usually end up doing. I first try to burst someone down usually fail because of the team cross healing and so go into "defensive mode! - Activate" to see how well I can survive whilst being focus-fired.
With premades in general though I encounter more of them than I have in other mmos played (and non mmos) this is probably because the pvp population is quite small and the core of the pvp pop is mostly active (as opposed to casual) and in guilds.
Also because arena is only 5v5 it only takes 3-4 premade players on one side to make a lot of difference in the match. More than 5v5 arenas would be nice, crazy 10v10s? (Eurgh the ui lag from spam might kill me before the opponents though)
Your Ramming Speed III deals 52098 (99235) Kinetic Damage(Critical) to Remus.
my Intrepid LRSV.R was sooo squishy, now though my Bellerophon LRSV.R is pretty tough, I'm not a healer in the build of full Aux and hovering around targeting team mates popping heals and the occational confuse skill, I've made my build more level In 1v1's against friends I've shown my build as quite good, Vs Bugships, Oddys, Exel Retro, Defiant Retro and even Galors and flying dabo tables <- D'Kora.
I'm not exactly saying I'm AMAZING there are always bigger fish and I've met some big fish, I feel quite well balanced with my build.
RachelJ88
You mean like other games with public queues where you can only go into the pub queue teamed with one or two other people out of a 15-slot team with a separate queue for completely premade teams?
Matthew/Shiduri@zekesulastin
You do realize at VA the Bellerophon and LRSV are the same ship, its just a different skin.
It's not uncommon for less modern games to lack it, yes, especially if they don't track results (most DotA servers didn't have it until the second major Allstars patch, iirc). Again, I don't agree with mixing full premades against randoms, but STO's PvP really hasn't had a lot of attention so I wouldn't hold your breath.
vids and guides and stuff
[9:52] [Zone #11] Neal@trapper1532: im a omega force shadow oprative and a maoc elite camander and here i am taking water samples
get more friends
R.I.P
oK, THAT WAS MEAN OF ME AND i APOLIGIZE.
I too pug alot and get rolled by Premades from 3-5 in size but none of that means we need to seperate them from the public ques or enforce a special type of gameplay becuase 5 friends/fleetmates play together and do it well.
R.I.P
I know EXACTLY how you feel! The best PVP matches i've ever had were the ones that were evenly matched, you couldn't tell which side would win. Those matches are awesome! But yes, 5man premades are pointless. 90% of the time if your in said team your going into a match knowing the opposing side dfoesen't stand a chance. And thats not fun for you - the win is being handed to you on a platter. And if your pugging it up an you see a premade wizzing towards you then 90% of the time you know you'll loose that you idea of winning changes from "lets kill 15 of them" to "Ok if we can pop one then it's a win?" - exually unfun. BUt sadly premades are a fact of the game. You'll see a lot of PVP fleets roll them and then take the ensuing anger as hilarious! It's idiotic but what can you do? I'm not saying anyone else do what I do but if I know i'm facing a premade and it's obvious what the conclution is then I seriously consider just warping out. I dont want to win a PVP fight - I just want a small chance of being able to play. If the other team NEED to win SO BADLY then fine - but I dont find it fun!
I have full sympathy for you but there's not much that can be done.
@Aquitaine985
Lag Industries STO PvP Fleet - Executive
A Sad Panda of Industrial calibre.
2010: This is Cryptic PvP. Please hold the line, your call is very important to us...
Yups :P, I used the Captain LRSV through RA to VA I never changed until the Retrofit came out. then changed the retrofit skin to the Bellerophon when that came out, I have to say the Captain Bellerophone is a pretty neat ship even for a VA.
RachelJ88
I'm glad I'm not the only one but still we don't get much sympathy and I'm happy I have yours, I'm always happy always say gg. anyway regardless some PvPers just hate to lose, and those who do hate to lose will deny it!
RachelJ88
@Aquitaine985
Lag Industries STO PvP Fleet - Executive
A Sad Panda of Industrial calibre.
2010: This is Cryptic PvP. Please hold the line, your call is very important to us...
in pvp queue you would queue for either "ground " or "space " or "death match"
once 10 people queued for the right thing an instance would start
you would be RANDOMLY teamed
your ship and Id would appear as (for example)
Red team ship 3
red player 3
to the ENEMY your ship would appear to be of the other faction
to your own faction it would appear to be the same faction as their ship
(example you queued in an escort fed side to the rest of red team you appear as a BOP if they are klingon and an escort if you are fed to blue team you appear as the opposite)
in ground you would have a colour coded uniform
Red or blue
Comms would be FULLY disabled apart from say 30 or so preset commands and messages
in Death match the ships would appear normal
but only the last ship standing wins
EVERYONE else dies once and leaves the instance with nothing at all
I'm not sure what the solution here really is. Team vs team queues won't work IMO. Just not enough teams to keep it popping. Once one premade is dominating that queue, teams will no longer queue up IMO based on the lack of interest in getting a premade match together now.
I understand your frustration OP. have you tried getting a few players together from opvp to team up with you when there is a good team in the queues. We have been embarrassed quite a few times by an OPVPremade all star team that finds us in the queues.
Really though get a good friends list going. Team with people you do random arenas with that put in a good showing. Many times when I am pugging I will see the same people in more then one match... at times I can even tell how a complete pug will go cause one side will get all the good pugs. There are tons of good players in game that don't play 5 man fleet teams but still end up on semi organized teams. If I am pugging and I see those game friends on I know I can ask em to team and getting a 3-5 man going is not that hard.
The truth is there is only a handful of fleet premades around. It also seems most of us play in different time zones. TSI is mainly on euro time... Critz is mainly late night NA time... Pandas seems to be a bit earlier then NA tine... Noca Core I think is busy combining forces or something, we only get those guys in the que. I will say the que system could be a little smarter... I know on some nights we que when we KNOW there is another premade in the que and we will get every match NOT involving them... sometimes the accept a request to challenge match... mostly we que till the Que gods smile. (as Fallout was saying most Fleet Premades don't like to loose so they will refuse for all sorts of reasons... we don't have X players... Y doesn't have the right build ect... arranged matches seem to be more work then you would suspect)
When we are on (Critz) we do que and often we do get pug games. I don't mean to sound like a **** but when you end up in a match like that on the other side... pay attention and learn a few things... also if you ask. (if you want) I know every one of our guys would answer friendly PMs. In the last week I know I have PMed with at least 3 people that asked for help, on there builds. Having good players in the pool helps us all. Often people only need to tweek a few little things to double there effective value in PvP.
However, I see it massively backfiring if the new pvp systems don't bring in hundreds of new players of all skill levels. There's already a large parity in skill levels, and if you're matched up only against similar skilled players, what happens when those other guys stop playing? You do too, because there's nobody to fight.
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@Aquitaine985
Lag Industries STO PvP Fleet - Executive
A Sad Panda of Industrial calibre.
2010: This is Cryptic PvP. Please hold the line, your call is very important to us...
I'd imagine the conversation goes more like:
#1: Oh hey, wanna queue for some pew?
#2; Yeah sure
*pew ensues*
That is entirely possible, and still happens frequently you know.
/channel_join OrganizedPVP
Ask around on there if anyone wants to form a team, form a team, stomp premades, winning!
Aytanhi of TSI, TSI fleet founder and leader OrganizedPVP channel Admin
Feel free to ask me about PVP or starship strategies. "No, I am not Borg!"
/channel_join OrganizedPVP If you are interested in learning PVP, looking for a team, or a private match
Actually, we don't even bother cross healing or calling for heals because we all know exactly what to do. TSI rarely calls targets against pugs and premades unless it's pandas or we're getting bored of waiting.
^Lol, this is what happens^
Aytanhi of TSI, TSI fleet founder and leader OrganizedPVP channel Admin
Feel free to ask me about PVP or starship strategies. "No, I am not Borg!"
/channel_join OrganizedPVP If you are interested in learning PVP, looking for a team, or a private match
love when ppl use cross healing as an example of a team being OP or unfair. Had someone give us a hard time because we had a team the other day with 3 cruisers running extend shields. Our other two ships were sci/sci who had no team heals, and a tac/tac. I'm not sure if this is a normal perception now days or not.
As far as cross healing, a pug team should be cross healing as much if not more than a premade team. Arguing that the premade is healing each other just means your team isn't cross healing as much as they should. It amazes me how many "thanks for the heals" PM's I get when I pug with my healer. Why the hell wouldnt I heal them? I think it goes to show the difference in mentality between ppl that normally pug, and ppl that normally run in a team. My build is a team layout, so whether I'm pugging or in a premade team, it does the same thing...support. Pug layouts (Sophie as an example) generally (but not always) tend to be more in the interest of ones self than in the support of their team. Until that mentality changes, these types of pugs will always fall to a "team". When I say "team", I also mean 5 guys thrown together that have a team mentality, not necessarily a premade team. If I get destroyed while pugging, I know I did my job of supporting the team to the best of my ability
Instead of it being about having the worst random group possible we could instead go to the other way if improving the random groups you play.
Then there would be some accountability for those idiots who just que up for deuterium also then would just be stuck in the ques.
Im sure if they add you can only que up, and its random arenas with the current system some of the games you play are going to be equally unbalanced because of so much bad behavior.
Sure some pug vs pug matches are awesome and its great when you get them games but really lately they are far and few in between.
LOL, it's not like the other "premades" in the game aren't getting wrecked by TSI either.
Don't want to get smoked, then don't queue up.
I've gone against them in pugs and have seen some of them even layoff when they have a clear advantage, so they aren't dicks. But ultimately it won't make a difference since just makes the match longer and more frustrating than necessary. So I don't have a problem with them ending the match super fast.
At least they aren't spamming ****loads of mines and using annoying sci garbage to prolong a match needlessly like some of the pug-hunting garbage "premades" that hunt in the queues. The same "premades" that puss out when it comes to challenging TSI.
get on a team, this is an mmo that is teamplay based.
****
im fleetless at the moment and pugging a lot, like i always do anyways.
and **** you noobs for clogging up the damn forums with this bull****