Earth Spacedock

tinman56

I'm probably gonna get a LOT of haters here, but... am I the only one who preferred the look of the earlier spacedock the game had? I still like how it is now, and although it was kinda cool to see when i first started playing, I kinda wish they'd kept it in.

Though I'm not complaining about them actually taking feedback into consideration, no siree

So, thoughts?

hortwort

The new ESD is closer to the show. Unfortunately, I never much liked that design. I'm with the OP on this one.

mikewendell

When did we actually see the inside of ESD as a whole? I must have missed that.

I really have no preference. I saw the old ESD for like 1 day. I don't even recall it.

tinman56

I've never seen it personnally except for old screenshots, but I quite like it. I don't think we should stick to what is 'canon' just for the sake of it, because this is like 30 years in the future of any series. I'm sure ESD could use an overhaul after being in service for so long

drogyn1701

I never minded it. it's been what 150 years since the time of Star Trek III, not unreasonable for Starfleet to have built a new one, and the look was cool.

If you're pining for the old version, its still in the Foundry. Go make a mission and use the premade Sol System space map and the Earth Spacedock interior map.

nynik

I have to majorly disagree here guys. I'm very glad they adopted the change. Like it or hate it, its as canon as a Galaxy Class or a Tricorder.

I find it beautiful and Federation-y. The previous station was alright, but always felt out of place to me.

It appeared in the films from three to six (with three: the search for spock showing it during the Enterprise heist), and was referred to seen in reused clips in a few episodes.

tinman56

The biggest reason I wish they'd kept it the same is that they seem to have made the fleet starbases mushrooms too to reflect this. I can understand if you want to play a star trek game, you want the star trek locales

Compared to the KDF Starbases, Fed fleetbases looks very plain. I wonder if they would have gave the design of the exterior more character if they did keep it different?

jkstocbr

I prefer the new ESD as the old one was a monstrosity

nalo

Did not mind the old one but it did seem out of place am really glad they changed it to something more traditional

tacofangs

The old ESD was a monstrosity. I would not be opposed to using it as some other starbase in some far off section of the galaxy, but it should not represent Starfleet's home base. It does not look starfleet imo.

I wouldn't mind if Starfleet updated ESD to some newer version, but I would expect that the newer version would be more in line with the aesthetics that Starfleet has. i.e. a 2409 version of ESD, would look similar, just newer/shinier, perhaps more aggressive with the Klingon War.

dontdrunkimshoot

tacofangs wrote: »

The old ESD was a monstrosity. I would not be opposed to using it as some other starbase in some far off section of the galaxy, but it should not represent Starfleet's home base. It does not look starfleet imo.

I wouldn't mind if Starfleet updated ESD to some newer version, but I would expect that the newer version would be more in line with the aesthetics that Starfleet has. i.e. a 2409 version of ESD, would look similar, just newer/shinier, perhaps more aggressive with the Klingon War.

have to agree. i wish the bases scattered about looked more like the esd, perhaps without the top most mushroom, but just the ball on the bottom up to the mid section without that large top dock section. i guess the 39 sierra style does look like the starbases from the paintings in picard's quarters, but i have never liked the look of them. most star bases should look old like ESD, i highly doubt they scrap and rebuild them every 50 or even 100 years.

one thing i was wondering about upcoming starbases, are then going to be a target able npc thats attack able, or are then going to be just map assets that cant be interacted with. betting its the later, but starbase assaults would be more interesting if you could shoot the base and the base could shoot back.

tobar26th

tacofangs wrote: »

The old ESD was a monstrosity. I would not be opposed to using it as some other starbase in some far off section of the galaxy, but it should not represent Starfleet's home base. It does not look starfleet imo.

I wouldn't mind if Starfleet updated ESD to some newer version, but I would expect that the newer version would be more in line with the aesthetics that Starfleet has. i.e. a 2409 version of ESD, would look similar, just newer/shinier, perhaps more aggressive with the Klingon War.

Dammit Taco, get the old ESD in the Starbase system before it's too late man!

tacofangs

Ewwww. . . why would I want that thing to touch any of my new shinies?!

tobar26th

Fine fine, maybe a foundry map where it's not in orbit of Earth? :P

aaronh42

tobar26th wrote: »

Fine fine, maybe a foundry map where it's not in orbit of Earth? :P

Just make it a placeable foundry object.

I personally like the design.

farmallm

I like either one. The old one was based off what they called "Dry Dock" or San Francisco Fleet Yards. Like the others said was used in the Motion Picture through III. Later in Nemesis you can see the Enterprise E in a more updated version. And I remember seeing it in a few screen shots later on specially when you can see the Mars ship yards. You can see a few there. I think that was in a Voyager episode. One other yard was a different version. It looked like a spider with a command center on top. And arms that went over the ship. The arms allowed a more wider uses for different ship designs. That one was called McKinley Station.

To me I like either ones. However Space Dock the one in the game now does allow for more crew and offices since the others required a separate officers center.

podsix

I didn't hate the old one, but I LOVE the new one.

felderburg

tacofangs wrote: »

The old ESD was a monstrosity. I would not be opposed to using it as some other starbase in some far off section of the galaxy, but it should not represent Starfleet's home base. It does not look starfleet imo.

I wouldn't mind if Starfleet updated ESD to some newer version, but I would expect that the newer version would be more in line with the aesthetics that Starfleet has. i.e. a 2409 version of ESD, would look similar, just newer/shinier, perhaps more aggressive with the Klingon War.

BOOOOOOOOO!!!!

The old ESD was awesome! If I had my old threads, you could even see how it looked like it was added on to the old one (if you tried hard). And even if it was completely new, it still looked cool! It MUST be added somewhere in game!

nrobbiec

I liked the old or new one depending on which way you look at it
The classic design for lack of a better term feels a little uninspired

But then I tend to be quite fond of refits, like the Galaxy X Dreadnought

tebsu

can someone post a screenshot of the old one? i dont know how it looked like even though i logged in as soon as the game came out but i didnt played it for long (because of the size ratio in the game) and never saw ESD from outside

crusty8mac

I like the newer ESD, but I hate the signage.

nrobbiec

tebsu wrote: »

can someone post a screenshot of the old one? i dont know how it looked like even though i logged in as soon as the game came out but i didnt played it for long (because of the size ratio in the game) and never saw ESD from outside

http://i.imgur.com/6AAzw.png?1

tacofangs

Old
New

meurik

I'm glad the "new" spacedock was added, since it's certainly more appropriate (and more canon).

But I wouldn't mind seeing the original starbase appear in various starsystems. Perhaps as a replacement for Starbase 39-Sierra ?

podsix

tacofangs wrote: »

Old and busted
New hotness

Fixed that up for ya.

tankalot42o

tacofangs wrote: »

The old ESD was a monstrosity. I would not be opposed to using it as some other starbase in some far off section of the galaxy, but it should not represent Starfleet's home base. It does not look starfleet imo.

I wouldn't mind if Starfleet updated ESD to some newer version, but I would expect that the newer version would be more in line with the aesthetics that Starfleet has. i.e. a 2409 version of ESD, would look similar, just newer/shinier, perhaps more aggressive with the Klingon War.

all behold true wisdom,

for the great taco has spoken

reximuz

ESD and DS9 and K7 are all really fanservice, it doesn't make much sense that these facilities haven't been massively upgraded or replaced. DS9 was a old mining station and a bucket of TRIBBLE when the Federation inherited it, if any station should have been scrapped and replaced with a much larger facility able to handle all the traffic to/from the Gamma Quadrant as well as acting as a bastion of defense its DS9.

aeolusdallas

reximuz wrote: »

ESD and DS9 and K7 are all really fanservice, it doesn't make much sense that these facilities haven't been massively upgraded or replaced. DS9 was a old mining station and a bucket of TRIBBLE when the Federation inherited it, if any station should have been scrapped and replaced with a much larger facility able to handle all the traffic to/from the Gamma Quadrant as well as acting as a bastion of defense its DS9.

I disagree. Starbases are HUGE facilities. Not the kind of thing you replace without dire reason. They are essentially cities. You might clean them up or add bits every few decades but you don't replace them.

meurik

reximuz wrote: »

ESD and DS9 and K7 are all really fanservice, it doesn't make much sense that these facilities haven't been massively upgraded or replaced. DS9 was a old mining station and a bucket of TRIBBLE when the Federation inherited it, if any station should have been scrapped and replaced with a much larger facility able to handle all the traffic to/from the Gamma Quadrant as well as acting as a bastion of defense its DS9.

Here's a big shocker!!!!

A game named "Star Trek" Online, providing "fan service" to Star Trek fans? Wow!!!

I get it, some people highly dislike the looks of DS9 and other stations. At the same time, there are people who LOVE the looks of DS9 (myself included). Complaining about a 50+ year old station, not having been upgraded, when you have Constitution and Miranda Classes in the game, sounds a bit counter-intuitive to me. Those ships are 140+ years old, and still in wide use (atleast during the lower levels of the game).

Now, in regards to your complaints:

I would like to keep the current DS9 in it's place, seeing as it's become an iconic location both due to it's role in history (frontline base during the Dominion War), as well as being on the door step to the first (and only) stable wormhole to the Gamma Quadrant.

I would however, like to see an updated Cardassian starbase design, in use in the Cardassia system, and possibly other border systems that may/may not be controlled by the Cardassian Union.

Deep Space K-7, could arguably be in need of replacement, but again this may be due to "fan service". I would assume within the past 150+ years, K-7 (if still in use), would've been replaced by a "Starbase 375"-type starbase in the very least.

Earth Spacedock like DS9, is an iconic starbase design, with alot of history behind it. If there are starships that are over 100 years old, still in active service, I see no problems with having starbases that are YOUNGER, remain in active service.

The "old and busted" Earth Spacedock, I would like to see moved into various Federation outpost worlds, including possibly in a retextured form, orbiting Vulcan.

leviathan99

meurik wrote: »

I'm glad the "new" spacedock was added, since it's certainly more appropriate (and more canon).

But I wouldn't mind seeing the original starbase appear in various starsystems. Perhaps as a replacement for Starbase 39-Sierra ?

Looking at it with fresh eyes, I think it would be cooler as a non-Federation station with a bit of work.

My vote is actually to tint the thing D'Kora orange, make the glow-y bits yellow and have it be a Ferengi station.

The devs did some work with a Ferengi themed interior with the D'Kora bridge.

From there, my vote would be to take DS9's current interior, Ferengi it up (including a new second floor set of windows), make it the new Ferengi hub -- which could be great for high stakes dabo, DOff assignments, Lobi, holo-Hamlet themed stuff (a Ferengi program according to the text), etc.

And then let Tacofangs re-do DS9 as he wanted to.

The beauty is, nothing gets wasted.

Re-use current DS9 interior (with some texture changes, wall changes, and a revised second floor) and old ESD exterior... and then let Tumer/Taco's new effort be the DS9 interior he wants to do.

The current Quark's looks a bit off as Quark's but would be great for a new Ferengi bar, with some tweaking. The Bajoran temple could be the Nagus' Embassy (if you look at classic footage, the Nagus' throne room was the Bajoran temple with a throne in it). A lot of the fleet starbase decor and Ferengi consoles would help hide that it's current DS9.

Then with all of those assets tweaked for use elsewhere as a Ferengi starbase, Taco can pitch an enhanced DS9. After all, DS9 seems to be the preferred hub for many endgame players and if the game begins at endgame, why not re-work it (as people have been requesting forever) to accommodate that?

That could also allow for a re-mastered DS9 Fleet Action... and if they need extra incentive to retouch DS9, they HAVE been teasing at mirror stuff and could justify the revamped DS9 by including it in the map budget for Terok Nor.

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