With the collective feedback of this thread in hand, I decided to dig into Chronitons on the data side of things.
Turns out, a number of things needed to be changed:
1) Inertial Dampers will now give resistance to Turn Rate debuffs. While it previously gave innate resistance to Flight Speed debuffs, it was not applying correctly to Turn Rate debuffs.
2) The duration of Chroniton procs can now be resisted with Inertial Dampers skill. They previously were unresistable by any means (flagged as such, at the data level - oops).
3) The change in #2 also allows powers with Immunity or Resistance factors to actually function against the debuff. This includes AuxToID, Polarize Hull and APO, among others.
4) Fixed their debuff indicator. A small thing, but it will make it more obvious when you're slowed because of a proc, if you're watching icon indicators on your ship instead of your UI.
These changes won't go live until Season 6, but look for them to possibly appear on Tribble before then!
Thanks again for all of your feedback.
Jeremy Randall
Cryptic - Lead Systems Designer
"Play smart!"
I know its a lot to ask, but is there any way e1 can get a respec token when season 6 hits? I think you'll agree that there has been some drastic changes in the last couple of months that has forced a lot of respecs to keep up with them all.
With the collective feedback of this thread in hand, I decided to dig into Chronitons on the data side of things.
Turns out, a number of things needed to be changed:
1) Inertial Dampers will now give resistance to Turn Rate debuffs. While it previously gave innate resistance to Flight Speed debuffs, it was not applying correctly to Turn Rate debuffs.
2) The duration of Chroniton procs can now be resisted with Inertial Dampers skill. They previously were unresistable by any means (flagged as such, at the data level - oops).
3) The change in #2 also allows powers with Immunity or Resistance factors to actually function against the debuff. This includes AuxToID, Polarize Hull and APO, among others.
4) Fixed their debuff indicator. A small thing, but it will make it more obvious when you're slowed because of a proc, if you're watching icon indicators on your ship instead of your UI.
These changes won't go live until Season 6, but look for them to possibly appear on Tribble before then!
Thanks again for all of your feedback.
Wow! Sounds great. Thanks dude. +1 for the systems guy.
Well that fixes the system balance Borticus thank you, but the Chroniton torps in game are still not canon Chroniton torps, neither in looks or by their system mechanics (same deal with Transphasics really).
With the collective feedback of this thread in hand, I decided to dig into Chronitons on the data side of things.
Turns out, a number of things needed to be changed:
1) Inertial Dampers will now give resistance to Turn Rate debuffs. While it previously gave innate resistance to Flight Speed debuffs, it was not applying correctly to Turn Rate debuffs.
2) The duration of Chroniton procs can now be resisted with Inertial Dampers skill. They previously were unresistable by any means (flagged as such, at the data level - oops).
3) The change in #2 also allows powers with Immunity or Resistance factors to actually function against the debuff. This includes AuxToID, Polarize Hull and APO, among others.
4) Fixed their debuff indicator. A small thing, but it will make it more obvious when you're slowed because of a proc, if you're watching icon indicators on your ship instead of your UI.
These changes won't go live until Season 6, but look for them to possibly appear on Tribble before then!
Thanks again for all of your feedback.
any wavering faith i had in the devs has been completely restored, this is an extreamly beneficial change! i hope this is only the beginning of the dialog to sort out the game balance!
with inertial dampeners fixed on, will they offer more then 0 resistance to conventional tractor beam hold now?
You can't get out from under them once they're on you, and they can be piled up to infinity. This needs to be addressed, as right now they're unstoppable.
Somewhat seperate issue but still related to Chronitons:
Also, someone needs to take a look at the Chroniton Flux Torpedo from the mission "The New Link."
It doesn't look or say denote that it is statistically different from normal Chroniton Torpedos (other than having a fancy name) but does appear to have a slow whose magnitude is much greater than normal Chronitons. There's no mention of this fact anywhere in its description.
IE: I use Torp Spread 1 with a normal Chroniton on a BoP in Ker'rat and he's slowed significantly but never outright stopped.
I use Torp Spread 1 with the Chroniton Flux torp and the BoP, and virtually anything else, is brought to a grinding halt almost instantly.
I'm just curious if it's a matter of perception on my part (repeated testing suggests otherwise) or if there really is something special going on with the Chroniton Flux Torpdeo Launcher from "The New Link."
My only suggestion might be to have the disable time be reduced by subystem repair or have the ship be immune to being disabled when running aux to dampeners (as per the ability description)
With the collective feedback of this thread in hand, I decided to dig into Chronitons on the data side of things.
Turns out, a number of things needed to be changed:
1) Inertial Dampers will now give resistance to Turn Rate debuffs. While it previously gave innate resistance to Flight Speed debuffs, it was not applying correctly to Turn Rate debuffs.
2) The duration of Chroniton procs can now be resisted with Inertial Dampers skill. They previously were unresistable by any means (flagged as such, at the data level - oops).
3) The change in #2 also allows powers with Immunity or Resistance factors to actually function against the debuff. This includes AuxToID, Polarize Hull and APO, among others.
4) Fixed their debuff indicator. A small thing, but it will make it more obvious when you're slowed because of a proc, if you're watching icon indicators on your ship instead of your UI.
These changes won't go live until Season 6, but look for them to possibly appear on Tribble before then!
Thanks again for all of your feedback.
Thanks for investigating this issue! :] More please!
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With the collective feedback of this thread in hand, I decided to dig into Chronitons on the data side of things.
Turns out, a number of things needed to be changed:
1) Inertial Dampers will now give resistance to Turn Rate debuffs. While it previously gave innate resistance to Flight Speed debuffs, it was not applying correctly to Turn Rate debuffs.
2) The duration of Chroniton procs can now be resisted with Inertial Dampers skill. They previously were unresistable by any means (flagged as such, at the data level - oops).
3) The change in #2 also allows powers with Immunity or Resistance factors to actually function against the debuff. This includes AuxToID, Polarize Hull and APO, among others.
4) Fixed their debuff indicator. A small thing, but it will make it more obvious when you're slowed because of a proc, if you're watching icon indicators on your ship instead of your UI.
These changes won't go live until Season 6, but look for them to possibly appear on Tribble before then!
Thanks again for all of your feedback.
Excellent! This is the kind of thing PvP desperately needs. Thank you!
__________________________________________
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It's terrible but easy, and these Borg are way cooler than the mess STO and Voyager left us.
May not actually be "way" cooler or even "slightly" cooler.
Also, which Dev and which forum section should we post in if there's an issue of Doffs not working as intended now that Heretic has moved on?
For example, in the past Heretic mentioned a design goal of 3 purple doffs being the desired amount. However, less than 3 is often needed as some have their proc tick 2x instead of one. Last I checked the Team doffs (ET,ST,TT) and evasive doffs behaved like this.
One last Doff issue is last time I tested Photonic Doffs and Tech Doffs stacked to the point where sub 30 sec global cooldown was avoidable. I wasn't using all purples either.
Thank again.
Formally,
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I know its a lot to ask, but is there any way e1 can get a respec token when season 6 hits? I think you'll agree that there has been some drastic changes in the last couple of months that has forced a lot of respecs to keep up with them all.
Sorry but its NOT alot to ask. They keep changing stuff, fixing stuff, i think its time for a free respec token once again.
Seriously tho id say they need to be free for subbers and lifers.
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Im happy with this change, but lets just hope its not another goof and wasted respec like insulators which does work nicely against 1 drain but again being stacked it works like $#@% and ur still drained to unacceptable levels if it stacks.
What is the real reason for the complaints of imbalance against these:
1) Reliability of debuff
2) Power/magnitude of debuff
3) Lack of defense against said debuff
4) Stackability of debuff
5) Something else, or a combo of the above
The numerous complaints against chroniton procs in general have placed the issue on my radar, but the majority of the posts I read are just complaints without thorough analysis attached. Can some of you regulars shed some light on the core mechanic that is causing this beef?
Thanks!
1) Yes 33% proc rate is not bad if you are getting hit with one... of course now we have pets spamming them which doesn't help... however yes with a HY / Spread the chances are very high to proc... it is also why the chron mines are so crazy.... as people in general if they run over one mine they run over the whole cluster....
1 - ( ( 1 - x ) ^ y ) Basic probability tells us that
One cluster of Chron mines = 86.5% chance to land one proc
One Hy 3 of Chron torps = 79.85% chance to land one proc
Getting a chron to proc is extremely easy considering the strength of the proc
Another thing to consider is the effect of the Torpedo doffs... I love them myself they have made torps a viable option when building I think... however they do really ramp up the effective value of running 2-3 chron torps + some doffs. (think sci ship here) Now using our probability formula again... and assuming we have a ship running 3 launchers... and 3 Purple torp doffs... we can pretty much assume they will get 3-8 torps off in 10 seconds.
With 8 out... that is a 89% chance to proc a torp... seeing as the procs last for 10 seconds again keeping someone proced is pretty easy.
2) and 3) go together the proc is very strong to have no counter. If the proc was less powerful the zero counter would be less of an issue... still I would say better to simply have a counter to the proc.
4) Refer to the math in point one... with pets and torp doffs keeping people perma proced is as easy as turning auto fire on these days.
I think many of us understand how to build the most annoying sci ships you have ever seen. Mostly we don't run them cause there plain out UNFUN.... however with sci resists and general degradation to sci ship builds. It is very tempting to be plain out annoying... and run 3 chron torps 2 chron mines on a sci ship with a beam on the back for disables... with 3 torp doffs and a Spread 2 or Hy 2... keeping people always proced is super easy... throw in a couple copies of VM or something and you have a recipe for the most annoying ship you could play against in the game.
With the collective feedback of this thread in hand, I decided to dig into Chronitons on the data side of things.
Turns out, a number of things needed to be changed:
1) Inertial Dampers will now give resistance to Turn Rate debuffs. While it previously gave innate resistance to Flight Speed debuffs, it was not applying correctly to Turn Rate debuffs.
2) The duration of Chroniton procs can now be resisted with Inertial Dampers skill. They previously were unresistable by any means (flagged as such, at the data level - oops).
3) The change in #2 also allows powers with Immunity or Resistance factors to actually function against the debuff. This includes AuxToID, Polarize Hull and APO, among others.
4) Fixed their debuff indicator. A small thing, but it will make it more obvious when you're slowed because of a proc, if you're watching icon indicators on your ship instead of your UI.
These changes won't go live until Season 6, but look for them to possibly appear on Tribble before then!
With the collective feedback of this thread in hand, I decided to dig into Chronitons on the data side of things.
Turns out, a number of things needed to be changed:
1) Inertial Dampers will now give resistance to Turn Rate debuffs. While it previously gave innate resistance to Flight Speed debuffs, it was not applying correctly to Turn Rate debuffs.
2) The duration of Chroniton procs can now be resisted with Inertial Dampers skill. They previously were unresistable by any means (flagged as such, at the data level - oops).
3) The change in #2 also allows powers with Immunity or Resistance factors to actually function against the debuff. This includes AuxToID, Polarize Hull and APO, among others.
4) Fixed their debuff indicator. A small thing, but it will make it more obvious when you're slowed because of a proc, if you're watching icon indicators on your ship instead of your UI.
These changes won't go live until Season 6, but look for them to possibly appear on Tribble before then!
Thanks again for all of your feedback.
Glad to hear that the Proc will be getting attention. Sad to hear that we have to wait till Season 6. But I can understand the reasons for it. Now.. about Phaser Procs.....
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With the collective feedback of this thread in hand, I decided to dig into Chronitons on the data side of things.
Turns out, a number of things needed to be changed:
1) Inertial Dampers will now give resistance to Turn Rate debuffs. While it previously gave innate resistance to Flight Speed debuffs, it was not applying correctly to Turn Rate debuffs.
2) The duration of Chroniton procs can now be resisted with Inertial Dampers skill. They previously were unresistable by any means (flagged as such, at the data level - oops).
3) The change in #2 also allows powers with Immunity or Resistance factors to actually function against the debuff. This includes AuxToID, Polarize Hull and APO, among others.
4) Fixed their debuff indicator. A small thing, but it will make it more obvious when you're slowed because of a proc, if you're watching icon indicators on your ship instead of your UI.
These changes won't go live until Season 6, but look for them to possibly appear on Tribble before then!
Thanks again for all of your feedback.
wow awesome. if only gozer had taken a look instead of saying hes not going to balance anything till till s7 or some TRIBBLE like that. not to replace gozer( would love too, let him keep to his stupid stf TRIBBLE) can you make a post say each 3 weeks and talk about something thats causing problems in pvp and see if we can get some of this stuff nailed down early till gozer has his pvp fix up and ready? then 1 update can be made and pvp can actually be fun again.
Join Date: Dec 2007Originally Posted by BROKEN1981
gozer isn't an ability number cruncher, he deals more with actual content. he wouldn't personally be trying to balance skills, it would be guys like borticus. now that season 6 is entering the testing phase, system guys suddenly arent tasked with the making of season 6, so they have time to research a problem like this, and try to solve it. they do this when ever they have time, the pvp overhaul isn't anywhere close to being ready for an official scheduled balance pass.
as long as we can be civil, and as long as he has time, borticus will be back with more threads like this, doing what he can to fix other problems
Borticus, I have a proposal for you; just like Gozer has his weekly PvP update threads, would you be willing to have weekly systems / balance discussion threads? There are a lot of issues in PvP, but if you were to pick one issue per week to get focused feedback on and try to patch to the point where it is balanced, you could generate a lot of goodwill from a sometimes frustrated community.
ok so he is not a numbers guy. but while hes trying to figure out what to do with pvp to make it fun we can have blance topics that he can pass around to the numbers people. i mean really how hard was this to accomplish? this dev actually made me fell like some 1 really cares about our pvp and how people felt. even if gozer said look lets talk about this 1 proc and why is it hurting pvp and saying nothing will happen yet but it will get looked at. thats enough to make you feel like hey they care.
1 topic at a time and you know what? when the pvp update comes together most of the job is done at that point.
Join Date: Dec 2007Originally Posted by BROKEN1981
Borticus, I have a proposal for you; just like Gozer has his weekly PvP update threads, would you be willing to have weekly systems / balance discussion threads? There are a lot of issues in PvP, but if you were to pick one issue per week to get focused feedback on and try to patch to the point where it is balanced, you could generate a lot of goodwill from a sometimes frustrated community.
i honestly feel that every 3 weeks is good enough. then in 3 weeks they can get all the info from players and look at the data. most people will have bad ideas and the devs really need the right info. sure it will be a 40+ page but if people stay on topic and only post 1-3 times then its good for everyone. they sift the post check it out ideas are written good and clear then in the end we can fix this. i mean this seems like the first time a dev and the community came together and got a problem fixed.
Join Date: Dec 2007Originally Posted by BROKEN1981
Personally I don't think they need to be bothered with weekly/bi-weekly/tri-weekly updating schedules. I'd rather have them come in when its important . thanks again
With the collective feedback of this thread in hand, I decided to dig into Chronitons on the data side of things.
Turns out, a number of things needed to be changed:
1) Inertial Dampers will now give resistance to Turn Rate debuffs. While it previously gave innate resistance to Flight Speed debuffs, it was not applying correctly to Turn Rate debuffs.
2) The duration of Chroniton procs can now be resisted with Inertial Dampers skill. They previously were unresistable by any means (flagged as such, at the data level - oops).
3) The change in #2 also allows powers with Immunity or Resistance factors to actually function against the debuff. This includes AuxToID, Polarize Hull and APO, among others.
4) Fixed their debuff indicator. A small thing, but it will make it more obvious when you're slowed because of a proc, if you're watching icon indicators on your ship instead of your UI.
These changes won't go live until Season 6, but look for them to possibly appear on Tribble before then!
Thanks again for all of your feedback.
Regarding the 1st change, I suggest all pet debuffs function like this in terms of player skills providing strong passive resists. Imo, 1 wing should not have more then 1 Lt tier debuff Boff in effectiveness collectively in PvP. This would still be very powerful in terms of having 2 pseudo boff debuff abilities. Upping the player resists would still keep them powerful for PvE since NPC resists need not change.
Also, please consider a global cooldown for a wing of pets debuff. This way if the pets are respawn they'd still have to wait before re-applying the debuff. I'm guessing pets would have to go back to all using a debuff ability @ 1x for this to work.
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Turns out, a number of things needed to be changed:
1) Inertial Dampers will now give resistance to Turn Rate debuffs. While it previously gave innate resistance to Flight Speed debuffs, it was not applying correctly to Turn Rate debuffs.
2) The duration of Chroniton procs can now be resisted with Inertial Dampers skill. They previously were unresistable by any means (flagged as such, at the data level - oops).
3) The change in #2 also allows powers with Immunity or Resistance factors to actually function against the debuff. This includes AuxToID, Polarize Hull and APO, among others.
4) Fixed their debuff indicator. A small thing, but it will make it more obvious when you're slowed because of a proc, if you're watching icon indicators on your ship instead of your UI.
These changes won't go live until Season 6, but look for them to possibly appear on Tribble before then!
Thanks again for all of your feedback.
Cryptic - Lead Systems Designer
"Play smart!"
I know its a lot to ask, but is there any way e1 can get a respec token when season 6 hits? I think you'll agree that there has been some drastic changes in the last couple of months that has forced a lot of respecs to keep up with them all.
Wow! Sounds great. Thanks dude. +1 for the systems guy.
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Do you think that will ever change?
1 and 3 mainly.
33% chance proc + high yield torpedo + projectile weapons officer = almost a sure thing the target will get debuffed with no chance of countering it.
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any wavering faith i had in the devs has been completely restored, this is an extreamly beneficial change! i hope this is only the beginning of the dialog to sort out the game balance!
with inertial dampeners fixed on, will they offer more then 0 resistance to conventional tractor beam hold now?
You can't get out from under them once they're on you, and they can be piled up to infinity. This needs to be addressed, as right now they're unstoppable.
Somewhat seperate issue but still related to Chronitons:
Also, someone needs to take a look at the Chroniton Flux Torpedo from the mission "The New Link."
It doesn't look or say denote that it is statistically different from normal Chroniton Torpedos (other than having a fancy name) but does appear to have a slow whose magnitude is much greater than normal Chronitons. There's no mention of this fact anywhere in its description.
IE: I use Torp Spread 1 with a normal Chroniton on a BoP in Ker'rat and he's slowed significantly but never outright stopped.
I use Torp Spread 1 with the Chroniton Flux torp and the BoP, and virtually anything else, is brought to a grinding halt almost instantly.
I'm just curious if it's a matter of perception on my part (repeated testing suggests otherwise) or if there really is something special going on with the Chroniton Flux Torpdeo Launcher from "The New Link."
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Thanks for investigating this issue! :] More please!
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"Play smart!"
Excellent! This is the kind of thing PvP desperately needs. Thank you!
It's terrible but easy, and these Borg are way cooler than the mess STO and Voyager left us.
Also, which Dev and which forum section should we post in if there's an issue of Doffs not working as intended now that Heretic has moved on?
For example, in the past Heretic mentioned a design goal of 3 purple doffs being the desired amount. However, less than 3 is often needed as some have their proc tick 2x instead of one. Last I checked the Team doffs (ET,ST,TT) and evasive doffs behaved like this.
One last Doff issue is last time I tested Photonic Doffs and Tech Doffs stacked to the point where sub 30 sec global cooldown was avoidable. I wasn't using all purples either.
Thank again.
Formally,
iamid
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Anyway, thanks for the fix and for listening. It's much appreciated.
CommanderDonatra@Capt.Sisko: ahhh is it supposed to do that?
Norvo Tigan@dontdrunkimshoot: hell ya, maybe
Sorry but its NOT alot to ask. They keep changing stuff, fixing stuff, i think its time for a free respec token once again.
Seriously tho id say they need to be free for subbers and lifers.
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Im happy with this change, but lets just hope its not another goof and wasted respec like insulators which does work nicely against 1 drain but again being stacked it works like $#@% and ur still drained to unacceptable levels if it stacks.
We'll see how it ends up.
1) Yes 33% proc rate is not bad if you are getting hit with one... of course now we have pets spamming them which doesn't help... however yes with a HY / Spread the chances are very high to proc... it is also why the chron mines are so crazy.... as people in general if they run over one mine they run over the whole cluster....
1 - ( ( 1 - x ) ^ y ) Basic probability tells us that
One cluster of Chron mines = 86.5% chance to land one proc
One Hy 3 of Chron torps = 79.85% chance to land one proc
Getting a chron to proc is extremely easy considering the strength of the proc
Another thing to consider is the effect of the Torpedo doffs... I love them myself they have made torps a viable option when building I think... however they do really ramp up the effective value of running 2-3 chron torps + some doffs. (think sci ship here) Now using our probability formula again... and assuming we have a ship running 3 launchers... and 3 Purple torp doffs... we can pretty much assume they will get 3-8 torps off in 10 seconds.
With 8 out... that is a 89% chance to proc a torp... seeing as the procs last for 10 seconds again keeping someone proced is pretty easy.
2) and 3) go together the proc is very strong to have no counter. If the proc was less powerful the zero counter would be less of an issue... still I would say better to simply have a counter to the proc.
4) Refer to the math in point one... with pets and torp doffs keeping people perma proced is as easy as turning auto fire on these days.
I think many of us understand how to build the most annoying sci ships you have ever seen. Mostly we don't run them cause there plain out UNFUN.... however with sci resists and general degradation to sci ship builds. It is very tempting to be plain out annoying... and run 3 chron torps 2 chron mines on a sci ship with a beam on the back for disables... with 3 torp doffs and a Spread 2 or Hy 2... keeping people always proced is super easy... throw in a couple copies of VM or something and you have a recipe for the most annoying ship you could play against in the game.
This could fix the complaining. Thanks.
Glad to hear that the Proc will be getting attention. Sad to hear that we have to wait till Season 6. But I can understand the reasons for it. Now.. about Phaser Procs.....
Think about this:
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Thanks for taking time to give it a look, Borticus.
wow awesome. if only gozer had taken a look instead of saying hes not going to balance anything till till s7 or some TRIBBLE like that. not to replace gozer( would love too, let him keep to his stupid stf TRIBBLE) can you make a post say each 3 weeks and talk about something thats causing problems in pvp and see if we can get some of this stuff nailed down early till gozer has his pvp fix up and ready? then 1 update can be made and pvp can actually be fun again.
as long as we can be civil, and as long as he has time, borticus will be back with more threads like this, doing what he can to fix other problems
That's awesome Borticus, a thousand thank you's!
1 topic at a time and you know what? when the pvp update comes together most of the job is done at that point.
i honestly feel that every 3 weeks is good enough. then in 3 weeks they can get all the info from players and look at the data. most people will have bad ideas and the devs really need the right info. sure it will be a 40+ page but if people stay on topic and only post 1-3 times then its good for everyone. they sift the post check it out ideas are written good and clear then in the end we can fix this. i mean this seems like the first time a dev and the community came together and got a problem fixed.
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While we're going on about mines, can we talk about the new pay-2-win spawn of Satan, Tachyons? If you thought Chronitons were bad....
Regarding the 1st change, I suggest all pet debuffs function like this in terms of player skills providing strong passive resists. Imo, 1 wing should not have more then 1 Lt tier debuff Boff in effectiveness collectively in PvP. This would still be very powerful in terms of having 2 pseudo boff debuff abilities. Upping the player resists would still keep them powerful for PvE since NPC resists need not change.
Also, please consider a global cooldown for a wing of pets debuff. This way if the pets are respawn they'd still have to wait before re-applying the debuff. I'm guessing pets would have to go back to all using a debuff ability @ 1x for this to work.
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