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texaco2063
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Can the individuals who roll need on everything that drops in STFs please stop doing that. I highly doubt you need it all. I understand that one makes EC off of the loot drops, but, that is what the Greed button is for, might have seen it. It's located underneath Need, above Pass.
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personaly i hope they would do away with random loot rolls and make it so everyone has there own loot generated.
Everyone has need on salvage, tech or EDCs for obvious reasons, and if anyone should have actual need on 99.95% of the remaining drops he shouldn?t be running STFs in the first place.
They could pretty much remove the "greed" button and just have "roll" and "pass".
So next time. just join the fray and roll need as well.
That's been my experience.
If you want a chance at something, hit need because at least one other person will.
It's me, Chrome. [Join Date: May 2009]
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If I need something I hit need otherwise I just pass on it. I've seen a few other people in STF's lately doing the same.
What I would really like is to be able to put someone on the ignore list and have the game not team me up with those people.
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Ah, but what if you do/did need it. And if everyone always clicks need on everything it may as well not be there (as stated above). I'm not talking about only in stf's tho, its also a pain in every other fleet avtion at every level. I remember in sb24 yesterday I was tooling around on a new char and I'm using plasma weapons, I'm the ONLY person using plasma weapons, anyway a plasma console drops and I think "Sweet I could use that." So I click need, and so does everyone else. Needless to say I didn't get it.
So if need is the new greed then we can get away with only roll or pass. If you still want 3 options there needs to be a real choice as to which one you take.
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Regular STF's do not require superb gear and, in fact, you can quite comfortably run them at level 46 with all white Mark 10 gear and not be hamstringing your team (provided you've a decent BOff skill layout).
If you're hard-up for cash, any of the missions that give engines, deflectors, or shields are a pretty solid source of cash.
Oh, and don't forget that Mk X Rare (Blue) is statistically identical to Mk XI green quality gear.
If you're with friends, don't be a **** and greed unless you really do need it.
That's all there really is to it.
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It's not abusing the system, its common sense. If I PUG I'm doing it for profit myself, I don't care what "Johnny-bag-o-noobnuts" needs, wants, or gets out of it. If my fleet happens to be one short and we get a pubbie in the queue we are still running it for our benefit. Don't mind carrying people to optionals and getting the STFs done blazing fast, but I most certainly am not doing it out of charity.
If I truly lacked empathy or a conscience I would not take time out of my day to help someone who had a less fortunate education than myself correct their gross misunderstanding of words in the English language.
If I want to sell something I will roll need to ensure I receive a shot at the item because that is how the system is designed.
If I truly lacked empathy or a conscience I would not take time out of my day to help someone who had a less fortunate education than myself correct their gross misunderstanding of words in the English language.
Quod erat demonstrandum:
For BoE items in STO, it makes zero sense. First, it penalises players who actually go buy decent gear on the exchange before going into STFs. I do this on all my toons, it costs me a decent chunk of change. I am not going to roll greed while someone else rolls need just because they are badly geared due to their own selfishness.
Second, I need credits in exactly the same way as I need items. Items and credits can be exchanged between each other via the exchange at zero cost. Therefore, if a tetryon dual heavy cannon drops, and I want a polaron, why shouldn't I be able to roll on it? I can then trade it for a polaron, so it is as good to me as a polaron.
N/G makes no sense for PuGs. Just hit need. Always. It makes far more sense - the only thing that's BoP is stuff you always need, whether for gear or dilithium (and don't complain about people rolling need for that - the main reason I run STFs on most of my toons, reward wise, is dilithium, so yea, I do need it to buy ships).
Or a "Wow, this PUG is going horribly awry, might as well get what I can out of it."
When somone's rage-quit over a failed optional and someone else is chasing spheres off the map I suddenly get a lot needier.
TBH, I'd much prefer a "ZOMG WANT/EW DO NOT WANT" system. The need/greed/pass only punishes the polite.
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a?buse
tr.v. a?bused, a?bus?ing, a?bus?es
1. To use wrongly or improperly; misuse: abuse alcohol; abuse a privilege.
2. To hurt or injure by maltreatment; ill-use.
3. To force sexual activity on; **** or molest.
4. To assail with contemptuous, coarse, or insulting words; revile.
5. Obsolete To deceive or trick.
Words, I suggest learning the meaning of them before using them to describe things.
1. Pressing an available option to everyone is not "abuse". It is proper use of the button
2. No harm or injury comes from the non-existent maltreatment
3. Last I checked there were no sexual implications from pressing "Need, Greed, or Pass"
4. No words are exchanged between players
5. It's not deceptive since its there for everyone
Basically in a nutshell. Press "Need" or "Pass" in the future. Pressing greed then going to the forums of all places because someone didn't play your way and choose to play within the system set guidelines is going to get you nothing but laughed at.
If I truly lacked empathy or a conscience I would not take time out of my day to help someone who had a less fortunate education than myself correct their gross misunderstanding of words in the English language.
This results in a lot of peeps who just roll selfish, which leads to the lesser selfish to roll need as well, because they say: why the selfish guy only? unfair, I roll, too.
Which then leads to the "honorable" to roll Need as well, leaving the system ad absurdum.
The Greed-button only has one purpose: Clearing lockboxes of the map (and discard later).
No wonder several MMOs startet to implement lootrules based on class/role, or restrict them right off the bat to some.
Obtaining something "to use it" or "to sell it" is the same in terms of economy.
Taking the earlier example of not obtaining a Plasma console despite being the only Plasma user: so what? The individual that got it might've put it on the Exchange and bought a Tetryon console for his Tetryon weapons. Same end result.
I'm not saying everyone should Need everything, but rather that "Lot" or "Pass" would be a more logical system. Need it, you lot; don't need it, you pass.
When there are 3 buttons present, and you click one of them... there is no "wrong" way to click it. Since the button is there for players to choose to press, there is no "wrong" choice. Unless you meant to press "Need" and accidentally pressed "Greed", then you would have done the wrong thing. That however is a PEBKAC. I think the moral of this whole ordeal is, you just don't like the random chance of loot rolls and want everything for yourself. Its ok, and quite understandable, however the easiest solution to this problem for you is to simply press "Need". No further commentary form you is really required on this matter. My solution to this problem is the simplest one, the more complex would be to get the entire player to want to share things equally, or the devs to completely redo the entire loot roll mechanic. I'm in favor of Want/Pass, but until then the Need button will suffice.
If I truly lacked empathy or a conscience I would not take time out of my day to help someone who had a less fortunate education than myself correct their gross misunderstanding of words in the English language.
Change it to roll/pass.
So when loot drops, look what your teammates are doing. If they're just needing, need if you want a chance at any of it.
I still tend to greed/pass on most things anyway, but *shrug*. If I ever want to make any money on drops that sure doesn't get me anywhere.
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Tell me exactally why I do not need a MK XI green "insert whatever here". Give me an absolutely valid argument as to why I would not need said item (or the ec value of it that could be attained from selling it) more than the next guy. Sure my Armitage is MK XII'ed out with AP and all MK XII purple consoles for eng and tac (but i have 11 other ships in the hanger and a dozen more alts). But tell me why I don't need that MK XI green drop. Since you obviously know every single other players needs better than they do.
If I truly lacked empathy or a conscience I would not take time out of my day to help someone who had a less fortunate education than myself correct their gross misunderstanding of words in the English language.
It may shock you, but your needs are not more important than the needs of the "other guy", who rolls greed greed as intended in opposition to you.
Thank you for failing to prove the point I was directly making, referencing something said earlier was not what you were asked to do, nor was the point you were making back then even correct. Since my ship is obviously properly equipped, and we already established that it is not abusing the system since the system is designed to be operated in the way it is being operated in.
I do my part in contributing to the STF, the funding goes towards other characters being able to do theirs correctly out of the gate. I do not go in unprepared at any time. My needs are more important than someone elses if they are not in my Fleet because their capabilities do not benefit my rewards in the long run. 99% of the time I run into said individual once and then never see them again. Everyone should have the same "need" for the value, that is the point of doing Elite STFs since they are certainly not for the story content. Failure to click the same button as 4 other people in an STF is not a crisis on my end, nor are they being cheated out of anything since they in fact made their choice. Loot isn't even looked at when the window pops up it is a secondary response to click the top most button to clear it from the screen in as little time as possible, sitting there debating what to choose based on each individual item is a time waste in the middle of an STF. I'm sure in your little Utopian fantasy everyone would stop, have an in-depth discussion as to who needs said item and then that person would receive it. This is an MMO, and oddly enough the same thing happens in-between queues for us. Sure the pubbie is left out of the equation but the loot if actually needed goes to whoever it works for their current build plans for, if not the credits go towards something they will need or the fleet bank.
You are quite happily beating a dead targ here hoping for people to think that your way is the "proper" way. There is simply no right or wrong in this matter. You can either get a fair shot at getting paid out, or you can forfeit that chance and then complain when other people did not follow you. Frankly I've paid entirely too much attention to this thread so this will be my final post on the matter. Until they decide to do away with the 3 way system and put in a Roll / Pass or Want / Pass, myself and all fleet members will continue to take the simple and most efficient route by rolling "Need" on everything.
If I truly lacked empathy or a conscience I would not take time out of my day to help someone who had a less fortunate education than myself correct their gross misunderstanding of words in the English language.