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Dear Fellow Gamers:
I was wondering how the Ambassador-Class Starship was going to fit into the game. I've heard it is going to be in the game, and it is one of my all time favorite Federation ships. However I don't have a whole lot of money to spend, and I've all ready bought the NCC-1701 Enterprise (Constitution TOS) from the Cryptic Points store. I'm only able to buy one or two more ships from there and so my question is this: Is the Ambassador-Class going to be a C Store ship or Dilithium ship, and what rank/level/type of ship will it be? I realize I'm probably asking questions that have no answers, but I tried the search and didn't find what I was looking for. Any and all info would be much appreciated. Thanks.
Sincerely Yours,
Rear Admiral Ronald TRIBBLE
"USS
(Ambassador-Class
)"
USS Megan (Sovereign-Class Assault Cruiser)
USS Maelstrom (Maelstrom-Class Fleet Escort)
USS Defiance (Defiant-Class Tactical Escort)
USS Akira (Akira-Class Heavy Escort)
USS Valient (Hybrid Escort)
USS Galant (Constitution-Class TOS)
USS Majestic (Hybrid Light Cruiser)
I was wondering how the Ambassador-Class Starship was going to fit into the game. I've heard it is going to be in the game, and it is one of my all time favorite Federation ships. However I don't have a whole lot of money to spend, and I've all ready bought the NCC-1701 Enterprise (Constitution TOS) from the Cryptic Points store. I'm only able to buy one or two more ships from there and so my question is this: Is the Ambassador-Class going to be a C Store ship or Dilithium ship, and what rank/level/type of ship will it be? I realize I'm probably asking questions that have no answers, but I tried the search and didn't find what I was looking for. Any and all info would be much appreciated. Thanks.
Sincerely Yours,
Rear Admiral Ronald TRIBBLE
"USS
(Ambassador-Class
)"
USS Megan (Sovereign-Class Assault Cruiser)
USS Maelstrom (Maelstrom-Class Fleet Escort)
USS Defiance (Defiant-Class Tactical Escort)
USS Akira (Akira-Class Heavy Escort)
USS Valient (Hybrid Escort)
USS Galant (Constitution-Class TOS)
USS Majestic (Hybrid Light Cruiser)
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All we can do is wait for it.
Personally, other than the Miranda Class Light Cruiser, the Ambassador Class is by far one of my favorite hull designs. It is a must on my shopping list for C-Store Federation Ships! I only hope is that it has a versatile Bridge Officer setup.
It will cost roughly 1600 C-Points.
Most ships at Tier 5 cost this much although there are exception and of these exceptions they all have two Features. The Gal X has a Cloak and a Spinal Lance. The MVAE has a Hybrid BOFF layout and Seperation. The Atrox, it's a Carrier and it's a Carrier (OK Unique Fighters). 1600 Point ships have one Feature. Saucer Seperation, New BOFF layouts, and other such things.
It will be a Tier 5 Ship
While it may or may not fit, there's little point to releasing it as a lower tier ship I am willing to bet more Tier 5 ships have been sold than any other Tier. If it's Tier 5 you can use it at end game and compete. If it's a lower Tier (one would argue it would have made a better Tier 3 than what we got) it would be used for a week or two and than replaced by a bigger better ship.
When? Yeah I'm not that Brave, Season six? But do we expect to see another ship Season five?
All we really know about Ambassador at this point is, Al said it "will" eventually be put in-game. (There's probably 9-12 ships due out before Ambassador), and we know it will be a multi-tiered ship 3,5 (like Excelsior, as mentioned by Al in his recent post). At this point, that's all we know about Ambassador.
What? You expect people to use the search function here in the forums? :P
Which is why I keep saying it should be an Exploration Crusier skin.
The Dreadnaught cruiser... Is 2k points, not 1600. Defiant Retrofit has a cloaking console... That's about it and it's 1600 rofl. Of course for a little ship, it's pretty damn tough.
For the upteenth time, it CANNOT be a skin of another ship ala (Galaxy). The scaling is too far off, and the design would not fit based on the size difference. Not to mention, there is no point in even making an Ambassador if it is just a carbon "copy" of a Galaxy, or any other ship, which, it is not. It is its' own ship, and will be made as its' own ship. Read Al Rivera's recent post and it will fill you in on some important information about this particular ship class.
If you join a Deep Space Encounter, you'll often find a derelict ship floating near the warp-in point. Sometimes, it's an Ambassador.
Give the Sirius sector encounters a few goes.
Are you certain that it is simply not just a Galaxy with a skin variant in that mission? Could you please post a screenshot?? That would be incredible, if it turns out to be an authentic Ambassador.
Based off the stats for the Excelsior and Galaxy class in the game, and that this ship filled the gap between, the final stats would probably look something like this:
Tier 3 ship
Hull Points: 28000
Fore Weapons: 3
Aft Weapons: 3
Crew: 850
Consoles:
Tactical: 2
Engineering: 2
Science: 1
Shield Modifier: 1.0
Bridge Officer Positions:
Tactical: 1 Lt.
Engineering: 1 Commander, 1 Ensign
Science: 1 Lt.
Turn: 7
Inertia: 25
Power: +5 to all systems
Again, this is only my own estimation based on the T3 Excelsior and T4 Galaxy class, and what is known about the class from the media. It's reasonable to assume that, if it is brought up in a Retrofit T4 or T5 variant that these stats would change to reflect the new tier, so this is just baseline data for comparison and speculation. Also, if it was a C-Store ship, a special ability console would be expected to be made for this ship, though I have no idea what it would be (maybe one that gives it the ability to subsystem target like a Science ship, but that's just one idea). Note that as it has to fit between a T3 c-store ship and a T4 regular ship, it's hard to strike the right placement of things.
As always, the Devs have the final say, and their ideas for the class may not appear anything like this. Also, as has been said, there is no clear idea when, or even if, this ship will see flight in STO.
Have you read Al Rivera's post??? I believe it said the Ambassador would be similar / on-par with the Excelsior, and a T3 / T5 combo deal. It's nice to speculate on the Ambassador, however Al took a good chunk of his time to make a posting about this about 2 months ago to stop these kinds of posts and speculation. Once you read his post, this answers a lot of speculation, and makes your ship design sort of...obsolete. Not to be critical or anything.....but you should probably read his post.
No, I hadn't read his post. I was aware there was alot of speculation, but not that anything had been decided or officially released.
I was also not aware that discussion of any class or its implementation was discouraged here. My apologies if I offended. I was merely trying to answer the OP.
Completely misunderstood what I said. I said there are exceptions and than spoke of the exceptions implying they cost more and giving the reason they did.
As for the Defiant vs the MVAE, the Defiant has a slightly different BOFF layout, it changes an Ensign so it's main feature is the cloak, the MVAE has a radically different BOFF layout Swapping Sci Officer Stations for Tac stations.
I don't know what scaling you are using, but the Ambassador and the Galaxy ARE pretty darn close in size. The size varience is smaller than the size variance on the Nova/Rhode Island and its varients. The difference in hul sizes on many of the ships in this game makes it ENTIRELY possible to render the Ambassador as a Galaxy varient. After all, the Ambassador model WAS designed starting with the Galaxy, then working backwards. You make it out to seem as it it was made from the ground up (i.e. unique design).
Also, why are you being such a downer (aka negative nancy) on so many people's ideas and posts(besides mine)?
I think people get it confused with the jump from the Exc to Amb class. There was a pretty big jump in ship size between the two. But between the Amb and Gal, not so much.
Length: 526 meters (Excelsior is 467and the Galaxy is 641 just fro reference.)
Decks: 26 ( this is debatable, I have found different numbers to suggest higher)
The class of ship was intended for longer deep space missions and border defense. It was also made to be a test bed for the next class of ship.
It has been speculated that the Ambassador Class had very few ships manufactured and that the majority of the ships was lost at the battle of Wolf 359. Starfleet was left with little resources and decided to put efforts into making newer class ships that could combat the BORG.
The reason we see so many Excelsior ships out and about was that so many were put into production during the high tensions with the Klingons. Starfleet was forced at the time to give up on retrofitting older starships (constitution class) and put efforts into a long term sturdy spaceframe that would take Starfleet into the next century.
It is generally stated that the Ambassador class built to replace the aging Excelsior class starship.
My own speculation is that since starfleet lost most of the ships and had an overabundance of Excelsior, Miranda and Oberth class ships and most of their new design types (New orleans, Cheyenne etc.) were rushed out and destroyed by the Borg that hey didnt really have much resources left and put most of waht they had into retrofitting the older classes left around. This is why during TNG the only new ship itself that was really seen were Galaxy class ships.
Obviously in real life it was all about money saving and using what models they already had laying around but I generally accept my own speculation as to why the Ambassador Class isn't around.
Note: this is not a reason for there NOT to be an Ambassador Class in game, just thought I could give a little bit insight into the class itself.
I'm *not* being negative. I'm just saying, why make a thread about what someone thinks Ambassador *should be* when a Dev already touched base about Ambassador and it is completely different.
Also, I'm 99% sure a Dev once mention scaling could not be done for an Ambassador in a Galaxy skin a long, long time ago.
Lastly, "IF" the devs were to just make a "skin" of Ambassador for a Galaxy, and it were possible, don't you think it would have been in the game a long time ago?
Here's AL's post........
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=267057&highlight=Ambassador+Class
In case anyone did not read it. He says: likely T3 AND T5...and hints to if he could do it over he may have re-made it Ambassador and Galaxy at the same time. (This means as DIFFERENT ships for anyone who is decent at inferring).
I'm not trying to be negative, but instead of saying something has to be this way, please read what a Dev said beforehand. It makes speculation, and what will end up happening pretty clear. Just wait on the Ambassador. It will be out in its' own time, likely as its' own ship. Al took time to make a rare posting about this so the fans know what's coming. Please give the man a chance.
Cheap excuse. If you have put together one of the ATM Ambassador class model kits, a Soverign, and a Galaxy class model that are scaled to each other (and those WERE made), you would get a better idea of what can and cannot be scaled. in graphics, miracles can be made. I just wish I could upload the picture I took of the Ambassador model I completed with the saucer and the secondary hull separate.
So.....what was the point of the Venture varient? It disporves your argument.
A cheap excuse? Are you accusing me of some wild conspiracy now? Instead of nerd raging on the forums, why don't you personally just email GECKO and DEMAND an Ambassador skin from the Galaxy then? It's not like answers from another player or even a Dev designer themselves will change your mind anyway.
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g389/EricStone57/screenshot_2012-06-07-12-39-20-1.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g389/EricStone57/screenshot_2012-06-07-12-39-34.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g389/EricStone57/screenshot_2012-06-07-12-39-28.jpg
To me, it doesn't look exactly like a Galaxy or any of it's skins. I believe this is an Ambassador.
Or an in-game proto-type rendering of said ship. One can only hope.
That's the old Excaliber/Excalibur class, designed by Perpetual Entertainment, before Cryptic took over the development of STO. Looks kinda like a galaxy class scooting around on it's butt like a dog with worms.
http://deningart.blogspot.com/2010/02/star-trek-online-federation-flagship.html
At approx. 5 am (eastern time) this morning, Dan Stahl was answering questions from players via the Red Alert channel. 1 of the questions was asked by a member of my fleet. He asked when the Ambassador was coming. I do not have his exact quote, however, it was something along the lines of: Ambassador is planned, however, it will not be in game before Season 7. I'm sure there must be a transcript available somewhere, or, perhaps from a player who was online at that time this morning.
It is unfortunate they can't just bring the darn Ambassador into the game already, however, at least Stahl confirmed it is coming once these next dozen or so ships are released.