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Cryptic Developers have indicated that the KDF Faction is not active enough to deserve much or any additional work to be done to the faction. One Poll indicates 34% of users would like to play Federation, 33% Romulan, and only 13% KDF. These numbers were taken from only a few users and its accuracy for the entire STO community would need to be adjusted but most likely not by much, but also could be completely off the mark and if the KDF had more content I am sure more users would be interested in the KDF faction.
Even though I do not spend any time on my KDF characters due to of lack of content, I do see the added benefit in having multiple active factions. So saying this I believe a peace treaty between the UFP and the KDF will help the activity on the KDF faction and in turn STO.
Even though it would be a peace treaty between the factions just like the series it would be a love hate relationship or a cold war status.
I believe doing this would increase the activity on both sides and believe Cryptic should really look into doing this. Currently in STO the KDF and UFP are basically already in a cold war status, sharing STF missions, opening the borders, and so on. So why not just make it official and move alway from open warfare to cold war status and share the love I mean missions.
Even though I do not spend any time on my KDF characters due to of lack of content, I do see the added benefit in having multiple active factions. So saying this I believe a peace treaty between the UFP and the KDF will help the activity on the KDF faction and in turn STO.
Even though it would be a peace treaty between the factions just like the series it would be a love hate relationship or a cold war status.
Any current missions that involve attacking the other faction would still be playable due to the now cold war status, but a peace treaty would also open the other factions missions to be playable by both factions. Some adjusting to the missions and exceptions would need to be made. Federation missions that attack the KDF will not be shared with the KDF and vice versa. This would open a lot of missions to the KDF and many to the Federation. Very little adjustments to the missions would need to be made mostly slight dialogue changes.Google.com wrote:Cold War = A state of political hostility between countries characterized by threats, propaganda, and other measures short of open warfare.
I believe doing this would increase the activity on both sides and believe Cryptic should really look into doing this. Currently in STO the KDF and UFP are basically already in a cold war status, sharing STF missions, opening the borders, and so on. So why not just make it official and move alway from open warfare to cold war status and share the love I mean missions.
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I, personally, wouldn't play a Klingon anyway as the hybrid Gene Simmons impersonator/transvestite look isn't my thing. Not that there's anything wrong with that...
If the only way to be a Klingon is to be an alt, isn't it obvious why few people play KDF. Heck even I'm moving further and further away from KDF because all my friends won't make the switch.
But I agree that simply retreading dialog for existing Fed missions does not fit a KDF mindset.
I'm also not necessarily keen on declaring peace between the KDF and the UFP. It clearly shouldn't be a formal war, either. Warring empires simply do not put aside hostilities when convenient, as seemingly happens in STO.
What it is, and should be, is a Stand-Off and a sort of limited Cease Fire agreement. Neither side wants to risk a full war with Borg incursions going on, but neither side is inclined to give ground either. Skirmishes are downplayed as 'accidents', 'misunderstandings', and individuals 'exceeding their authority'. Raids are carried out by 'renegade' commanders who are only punished if they got caught at it. Complaints are lodged via the usual diplomatic channels in both directions and usually go nowhere. Constantly testing the resolve of the opposition in every matter of importance and cooperating only when there's something to be gained on both sides.
That's the way I see it.
If the Iconian missions begin by revealing the extent of the Undine infiltration, and allowing the Federation and Klingons to work together to stop it, then we can have a united front again against the Iconians. And you wouldn't have to go and change all the random encounters where you fight Klingons, say they're a house opposed to the peace treaty, or pirates, or mercenaries. Just because the governments start talking to each other again, doesn't mean every starship captain has to like it.
I think the reason no one does that gap in story hopefuly it will pick up in six they have gotten much TLC in 5
^This... Why are there more Feds than Klinks? Well let's see... You need to have a Fed before you can even HAVE A KLINK... It is a self fulfilling prophecy. After grinding 25 levels on your Fed you may not even WANT to bother with a second character, let alone one on a faction you know nothing about by comparison.
Just let folks start off with either faction and we will start to see some different numbers right off.
They hijacked the timeline because they want to keep the doors open for EXPANSIONS, but what they need to do is expand it NOW.
I die within 3-6 seconds of encountering a KDF ship in PvP and I am lvl 42. That's just not right.
Give us some love here, will ya? What others in the thread have said isn't them talking out of their hind ends. The Klingons need to be a full faction, not just an afterthought like they have been.
And before anyone says it, including the Cryptic devs, Klingons are not supposed to be Bonus play. Calling them that is just simple bull****.
PWE/Cryptic is in this for the money. As would anyone else be as well. You want more Klingon content? Vote with your money, then. Start buying KDF stuff. Using Real Money. If we are not not willing to do this, then we really have no reason to complain about the lack of KDF content. If we do begin to purchase KDF stuff it draws the attention of Sales and Marketing. Who are probably the ones really driving this train. Cynical? Sure am.
And this would be the point where someone asks why should they spend Real Money on a "Free" game? Nothing is free. Not lunch. Not life. Not expression. Everything has a cost. We can write reams of posts about STO which accomplish nothing at all. Take a good look around these forums. How many excellent ideas have you seen, which would improve the game, that have been used ingame already? We can threaten to stop playing STO. Since most of us are F2Pers anyway, this is a hollow threat. PWE/Cryptic loses no profit over us rage-quitting. We have to give them a reason to care about the KDF. So we hook them with money. And when we have them addicted to us spending Real Money on KDF content, then we can ask for more. Then they'll listen. Yes, it really is this simple.
This sort of mentality puts the KDF in to a catch-22. You say that they won't add more content until more players join the KDF and I'm of the mind that more players will not join the KDF until more content is added.
As for buying stuff for the KDF, there really is very little TO buy
You are correct.
I've personally bought all I can and still continue to spend money on my KDF toons, so the whole " We need more money spent of the KDF before they spend money to expand the KDF" is a BS excuse they give to push us aside.
If they gave the KDF more content then many would try and stick with thier KDF alts or even primary toons.
The Devs blaiming the whole lack of KDF revenue on the playerbase is wrong as if the faction had been done properly and given better gameplay many more KDF players would have stuck around to play thier toons.
As it is, according to one poll, many STO players actaully play thier KDF/fed toons equally. SO how does this not show that more for the KDF would bring more revenue is what I ask?
R.I.P
From the top of my Head I could point at the things that they have gotten in tandem with the Federation which shows that they actually do get a lot of attention. What could be said is that the feds are getting a better treatment in total (More Fleet Ships and actual discount on some of theirs).
On the other hand the Klingons did get an exclusive mission and that gives me hope for more.
Furthermore there is a lot of blatant bull****ting going on by people that only have their view of things.
I started with FTP and once my Fed reached 25 I went straight over to Klingon. My first klingon character is 50 and the 2nd 49 by now (I am a on and off player) while my Fed character has barely reached 46.
For all intents and purposes I feel that the fed side is a boring slugfest with a bloated community and enjoy the klingons far more, what I would realy want is actually MORE escalation against the feds storyline wise and, if there is some time in season 8+) a complete revamp of PvP (which for me is dead anyway because it is either a stomp in one way or another with P2W thrown in. A real monster that should get put down).
Well said Roach I am personally running out of things to buy myself.
I agree, if they spent the money, they would gain the money, but the half-TRIBBLE stuff they do is not what we as a community and customers deserve.
Plus we all know DStahl is pro-Federation and has admitted he only plays his own KDF character for testing out new content, um what new content I ask?
To be totally honest the Federation side needs to be less, well, Klingon. All these missions and they are totally just about fighting. Yes they should have action but not to the extent to what a Klingon crew would do. They need more puzzles, challenges and diplomatic missions. If fans are not into that, well then there are the KDF, who are more about honourable combat and all that.
The KDF also needs more missions, more Fek'lhri (where did these guys really come from, are they really the mythological beings of Klingon legend or some sort of cloned army for something else), Hurq, Undine (The KDF did uncover them, perhaps mix it in with the Federation war campaign, exposing Undine in the Federation), A Cardassian campaign (perhaps an invasion of Cardassia) and a Romulan or Hirogen campaign. Really if the Dev's put a little bit of effort into it, had any sort of vision I am sure they could really make STO a game to stand out in the MMO market. However with SWTOR going F2P in November I fear STO is really going to feel the pinch.
all though been kind of bizzy with earning profits (FED side)
and now also getting into using the foundry.
Im looking forward to it because,
I want to play the bad guy aswell, covert and sneaky traits
I have a suggestion,
make elite episodes lines with being different races and history.
Just as you did with the early klingon episode line,
you take the form and tech of that particular race / history event
during the course of the episode missions you get the oppertunity
to get the shot at unlocking these races, ships and items, if all done well (on elite)
and then, for lets say starting at 200-500 zen.
So its kind of a stage rocket, you have to unlock the possibility to buy,
and the road there should be elite with help of others.
Now you could make this kdf only until rank 50, as a villain expansion
that could have its own sub-faction, being both vilain-fed or vilain-kdf
that you choose at rank 50.
Certainly a welcomed open discussion, looking forward to seeing more.
But anyways...as I've said countless times before...if you want equal content then produce the same volume of players with an equal interest in the Klingon story. Those numbers will not lie. They will prove that there is an un-tapped source of potential income to be made by providing more Klingon content.
Until then, be happy that you do have more than "monster-play".
At least the Klingon faction is playable.
I actually find the pure KDF missions they have made to be excellent and wish we had more to finish our gameplay.
And some KDF centered agnostic STFs.
R.I.P
This is the kind of backward logic Cryptic has been using for a while now. The argument could be made if the Klingon faction had equal or almost equal content to the Federation, but without that, there is no reason not to assume that the people do not play KDF because there is no content. The faster levelling since F2P doesn't cover it up.
To me the cheapest way to create new content for both factions would be to revamp PvP. First of all, a basic ranking system with three tiers so that players don't fear PvP. Second, content needs to be diversified. Different types of PvP scenarios, more diverse rewards and some basic territory control + a Romulan faction. A diverse and perhaps more strategy based PvP (or even player with player interactions, like trade missions) would be able to satisfy end game players while allowing the devs to focus on developping the KDF and possibly a Romulan faction (which I'm still hoping for, lol)
On topic: I'm pretty sure the numbers don't lie, ~13-20% of the player would be interested in playing Klingon. Why did I use bold set for that? Because there's the mistake they made when asking their questions: they asked for Klingons.
Of course few people like Klingons. They are ugly and brutish. Yes, with honor, courage, and all the other virtues, a lot more intersting to RP, a lot more scenic, a lot more fun ... yeah, I'm prefering Klingon side myself ... but that's not the average.
And I wouldn't want to see the numbers if they asked for Nausicaans instead.
BUT(!): what they failed to ask was Orion. Yes, the Green Space Hookers. In WoW, introducing Blood Elves on Horde Side, which to that point had pretty much only ugly races, managed to fix a faction imbalance from >2:1 to nearly 1:1. Just overnight.
Why? How? ... Well, because people don't like to be ugly. And especially the juvenile males have only ONE set of options that they prefer above "handsome heroic male hero who gets the girls" ... and that is "the hot chick that makes you play with a constant boner". Sorry for being blunt :P
STO alreay HAS these. STO just fails to capitalize on it. KDF fails to capitalize on it. If you went around and asked people what they'd rather play, the hot human/trill/bajoran in miniskirt and mirror universe top, or the hot green chick in ... a lot less clothing ... you'd get a lot closer to 1:1 ratio! Same as asking what side they'd rather play on.
I know this sounds a bit cynical, maybe even trollish, but it isn't, it's just a realistic perception of human urges, and how to use them. If you wanted to get rid of the faction imbalance, all you'd need is a small campaign featuring Orion slave girls. And maybe a short questline that features them, too.
Instant surge in KDF activity.
Sure, 'might not be the kind of activity you want (fap, fap, fap), but the solution is right there. Sex sells. Virtual, too. Pixel-perverts buy.
Though, I am never against Orion call-girls.
R.I.P
Indeed I play both almost equally, though do prefer playing on the KDF more.
Well there's one solution. Remove the green skin tones from the Fed side of the game. No more Fed Orions.
Kidding...Maybe.
And remove the skin coloured one from the Orions, I was under the mistaken impression Orion's were Green not cream.
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