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I'm wondering if anyone tried a build that is focused on turrets, and if so could share the build and their experience with it. I'm mainly interested if it works in STFs.
Edit: I forgot to mention i'm a tactical.
Edit: I forgot to mention i'm a tactical.
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Have Duterium tanks and evasive maneuvers ready in case you need to evac or relocate in a hurry.
This is an interesting suggestion, i will have to try it out. Thanks for the reply.
Lt Tactical: TT1, CRF1
Uni - Lt cmdr Tactical: TT1, CRF1, APD2
Eng Cmdr: EPTS1, RSP1, Aux2sif 2, Aceton 3 (would prefer DEM3)
Ens Eng: EPTS1
Lt Sci: ST1, HE2
borg shields, console and deflector, HG shield.
All turrets
I'm not saying it killed anyone good (decent players were able to tank it, but not crack it either), but it did go through NPCs quite handily. TT1 and CRF1 could be kept up the majority of the time, and APD meant it was quite difficult to kill me, where the lowered resistance, the 8 turrets, and four weapons consoles meant I was hitting reasonably hard constantly. Against people, obviously spike > more DPS over time, however, NPCs can't handle it like people can.
Also, being a Bortas you could comfortably "let" it get down to 20% hull, pop RSP and start shield tanking again and kick your damage up a lot with "Go down fighting".
It started out as a cheesy "well, it might work" idea, but I got Alhena done faster in this than I do my Excelsior. 8 turrets and 4 weapon consoles aren't as much of a joke as you'd think with constant CRF and TT, and it hits hull harder too being "cannon" and not "beam. It's not that hard to tank the damage from this though, so I wouldn't bother using it on people except to troll less experienced players in Ker'rat with it. Also, with 8 weapons CRFing non-stop, crits and procs will be more frequent. I could see this being particularly nasty with Tetryon or phaser, the Tetryon glider on the omega set would also be handy with this, as would DEM 3. In an STF, you could through APD on whoever was drawing agro, and thus lower the resistance of priority targets even if you're not the one catching heat.
Edit: The same setup would work with better cannons up front, although the bortas is so clumsy I'd probably not want to go higher than single cannons, the ammount of damage you'd gain with dc/dhc would likely be lost in manouvering time.
Second edit: Also, CSV may be worth looking into as well as an alternative to CRF in STFs.
Thanks for the detailed post.
Looks fun and I will try it out.
Though becareful with CSV in the STFs as it will strike the gates as much as the nanite transformers and may cuase issues with the optional.
Please stop yelling
I'm not. In fact during that whole post I never uttered a word. Typed a few but no noise was made.
I tried something similiar (i guess) with beam arrays
Lt Tactical: BO1, BO2 or Bfaw1, Bfaw2
Uni - Lt cmdr Engineer: EPTS1, EPTW2, DEM2
Eng Cmdr: EPTS1, RSP1, A2S2, DEM3
Ens Eng: EPTW1
Lt Sci: PH1, HE2
Tanky even without TT, though the damage can be good if timed right thanks to a cycling of EPTW.
I'll likely be A/B'ing this with my Vor'cha build to see which kicks out the most damage without being all banged up, I know an escort would be far superior for a team, but pugging you just cannot rely on heals coming your way, and wether you run off to heal, or get swatted and respawn, that's still time out from putting down DPS.
i already thought about the singlecannon builds floating around here, but all turrets makes me even more curious.
On the other hand i heard there is a bug with the new ships (Odussey and Bortas) that's causing them to only be able to fire 6 turrets at the same time, i'm wondering if you guys have any experience with that? Or is it even a bug or a game limitation?
I could not say, as I have only used my Bortie as a beam boat.
I did read that putting the weapons on autofire and not spamming the fire command on top of that will correct the issue.
For the STF's I use 4x DHC and 4xTurrets, it works okay (for STF's), pull the parking brake and wail on whatever comes out of the gates. I wouldnt want to use it in PVP that way though.
I use basically the same arrangement with the only difference being I slipped in a photn trop up front and have a dual beam as well. I will probably swap it out for a DHC sometime when I get around to it.
(2) beam arrays + (2) cannons front
(2) beam arrays + (2) turrets rear
seems to be the average thinking of efficiency.
Thoughts?
Probably one of the best setups for that ship in PvP, I guess you could park it for a broadside in an STF.
Not perfectly broadside as the 180 degree of the single cannons is over lapped slightly by the 270 degree firing arc of teh beam arrays, so you kinda broadside with your nose at an angle to the target.
Thats what I usually do when I use my Gal-X. It works okay for STF's, as long as you don't draw too much agro from the big guys.
I use (1) DBB, (2) single cannons, (1) beam array - fore and (2) beam arrays + (2) turrets - aft.
Sometimes I will swap a turret for a Chroniton mine to use with VTR.
TT1 CSV1 BFAW3
TT1 APB1
ET1 A2S1 EPTS1 ACF 3 (would rather have ET1 DEM1 EPTS3 A2S3)
EPTS1
HE1 FBP1
All Aegis + Borg console.
It works ok in Ker'rat but definately lacks the punch that a tactical can bring.
I was thinking of going more sci oriented and try a;
PH1 HE2 TSS3
BFAW1 CSV1
EPTW1 ET2 EPTS3 A2S3
EPTS1
TB1 FBP1
Are you running a tac captain, sci or eng? ... I ask because my eng captain definitely lacks the punch of my tac in this bird.
I've found my engineer to be just as good as the tactical. I don't use any turrets though on the eng and tact setups i use 2DBB's and 6 single beam arrays with damage resistance debuffs like beta and delta to make up for that. Beta for the engineer and delta to do the same but give that extra defense it needs. I was gonna leave the sci alone to the vo'quv but I did have an idea that probally will go no where but fail but involved transphasic torpedos, feedback pulse, and tractor repulsors. It will most likely never work but then again theres always a chance someone could modify it to actually make it work. Not sure off hand how quickly you can cycle through 2 or more copies of feedback pulse but it could possibly help make up or work with torpedos assuming it can be turned well enough to work. I wanted to try aux to dampners 3 but i do not know if it exists or how i would ever get it if it does to make it viable. If it could work I'd armor up the engineering section to turn it into a fake voyager from their series finale which was where I was thinking the idea up from.
(Edit) I tried it out but its more of something as a support setup, the turning is just like any torpedo a problematic issue. With its offensive power though its pretty much like a normal quantum setup except with transphasic penetration along with the feedback pulse its decent damage... (Thats if you can keep the target to the front or rear of you which subspace jumper helps a lil bit with that and warp plasma/theta vent). As far as defense setup i used with EPS1 and 3, sci team 1, sif 1, and HE1 and 2 seemed to work out fine. If it could turn a little bit better it would open up more room for something like this but odds are we won't see anything besides the severly limited builds we already have for it.
In all its a good healer mode, possibly run it as a healer and put 2 chroniton mine launchers on the back to assist with the plasma/radiation as a probe/nanite stopper and use the subspace console to turn around.
Oh, don't get me wrong ... Not talking about a turret build, just feels like my Tac has the edge in one-on-one combat with the engineer in his same build circling and merely holding his own a lot more.
Reworking the build and tactics to push him over that dps edge.
My SciGuy, who can last in combat but lacks the punch that tactical brings.
TT1 CSV1 BFAW3
TT1 APB1
ET1 A2S1 EPTS1 ACF 3 (would rather have ET1 DEM1 EPTS3 A2S3)
EPTS1
HE1 FBP1
All Aegis + Borg console
My TacGuy, who can bring a better punch but lacks in the survival.
EPTW1 DEM1 EPTS3
BFAW1 CRF1
ET1 A2S1 EPTS3 DEM3
EPTW1
HE1 TSS2
That feeling of "lack of defense and firepower" will only expand as the Feds new carrier gets Broad side mounted weapons allowing them to fedball without trying and shoot 360 degrees around thier balls without hardly moving. Thats a disapointment in Dev lack of diversity for another day and I do not wsih to get into how most of our ships are just cheap clones of existing fed vessels, lacking in KDF uniqness.
Took my Engineer's bird to complete cannon loadout while working the turning through throttle control and evasive. So far ... She is even doing well in STF Elites. ... and surprised a Feddie escort and cruiser that thought they could tag team me in Ker'ret yesterday.
They started it ... but revenge was mine ... in more ways than one.
Will post my build later after work is done and will likely start a new bortaS build thread since we are steering away from turret builds.
Regarding the Fed carrier and broadside weapons ... I have a feeling it will not be as glorious for them as they think. Betting fixed weapons that they will not be able to change ... either that or they will not have fore and aft but port and starboard.
In which case ... We still slap em from the blind spots.
Remember also that it will be a "flight deck" carrier which also means less hull ... better turn rate but less hull.
meh. I'm merely tired of the whole debacle of getting fed hand-me-down ideas and having to listen to the forums erupt over it as if a clone of a fed ship with some KDF standard "bells and whistles" makes that much of a difference to push us into OPland, while the idea of side firing weapons and a destroyer class for teh feds makes perfect sense for a faction of suppossed diplomancy first then defense as needed mindset and ideology.
Don't get me wrong. The special consoles are nice (if not broken) but even if they worked exactly as intended and had no over-the-top performance the feds would still cry foul becuase they would be deemed to good for combat and that is an unfairness to the feds.
As if the KDF is a diplomatic faction and we have no need for tactical and effective weapons of war so we must be expected to cater to the feds definition of whats right.
PH1 HE2 TSS3 (or PH1 TSS2 PSW1)
TT1 CSV1
ET1 RSP1 (or DEM1) EXTS2 A2S3
EPTS1
TB1 FBP1 (or SS1 or TSS2)
Aegis gear
(1) armor, (1) Nuetronium, (1) Borg console
All phaser turrets for the proc
Isometric Generator for the Chain-effect
Plasmodic leach
(3) Phaser relays
run high weapons and high shields and just heal other klinks and annoy the feds with sci-spam.
lol- those its being applied to?
Depending on the map, my Bortas averages anywhere between 6k DPS to 9k DPS according the CombatLogParser.
Has yet to die in PvP with the ship also.
This is anything but a sucky ship. I look forward to the +1 version of it.