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This probably makes me sound horrible, but as someone who mostly plays on the KDF side now, I really want more opportunities to diversify my crew.
I understand that the mighty Klingon Empire isn't as welcoming to other races as the Federation, but we certainly take slave races and force them to join our ranks ... so why isn't there an option in the game to go somewhere and force NPCs to become either duty officers or bridge crew?
I think I'd enjoy forcing a Bolian to be my ship's chef or capture a Vulcan and make them into a bridge science officer, maybe even capture some Jem'Hadar for ground troops.
Am I the only KDF player who thinks this would be a good addition?
I understand that the mighty Klingon Empire isn't as welcoming to other races as the Federation, but we certainly take slave races and force them to join our ranks ... so why isn't there an option in the game to go somewhere and force NPCs to become either duty officers or bridge crew?
I think I'd enjoy forcing a Bolian to be my ship's chef or capture a Vulcan and make them into a bridge science officer, maybe even capture some Jem'Hadar for ground troops.
Am I the only KDF player who thinks this would be a good addition?
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I suppose "subjugated allies" is a more politically correct term, but there are references in Trek.
Quotes from Trek:
Kor in "Errand of Mercy":
"You are now subjects of the Klingon Empire. You will find there are many rules and regulations. Violation of the smallest of them will be punished by death."
Kor used the term "subjects" but I think most civilized people will argue that if you "subjugate" a person by FORCE and impose rules that are all punishable by death then you are making a slave.
Worf in the episode "Shattered Mirror":
"You can spend the rest of your life contemplating your failure as you labour alongside the other slaves in the ore processing center."
Those are just the first two things that popped into my mind, but if I were to go line by line through every episode of every Trek show and look at the Klingon dialogue I think we'd find more.
lol puts hand up to cut glare from overhead and scans crowd for that ONE person who will stick its hand up.
Only when the entire population is turned into a labour camp.
"Subject" just means subject to their rules and regulations.
Whether those rules are harsh or not does not have an impact on this.
Did you watch the actual episode?
Did you see the Organians forced to labour for the Klingons? I didn't.
The proper term given to those under Klingon rule is jeghpu'wI'
which means less than citizen and more than slave.
Sorry, but due to the totally stupid (and sometimes also contradictory) nature of the mirror universe quotes from it are completely worthless.
I agree that the KDF conquer and incorporate other empires and species in STO (the Gorn, for example), and we do already have cross-faction DOffs from Marauding missions. I presume that they're all either traitors or captured officers, which Cryptic has kindly left up to us to interpret.
yep...
Klingon dont do the slave thing. ROmulans? yes, Klingons? no, they do not do the slave thing. Criminal yes, but slaves?
Orions do slavery. but understand the orions are not a conquered group, they willingly joined. The gorn are a conquered race, but they are treated with honor of warriors.
lol!!!
hey, it was funny
The Organinans were executed en-masse, however.
My guess is there wasn't enough time for the Klingeons to gather slaves. Also, if an Organian were to be enslaved, considering they are energy beings, they can simply wink themselves out of there, the Klingons would simply think their slave escaped, and none would be the wiser as to the actual nature of the Organian race.
There is canon evidence the Orions are a slaver race.
Still have the federated doctrine attitude and open mind , I see....
Yes, they were executed.
Because the Klingons assumed the Organians were the ones helping their mortal enemy fight a guerilla war.
That's still no indication of slavery.
There's also a desription in one of the DOFF missions that states how Klingons feel about slave-trading...
And as I recall we're talking Klingons here, not their allies.
Yep, Klingons are just like the Feds in that regard, though probably a bit harsher.
Thos who doubt that should ask Tom Paris about his "vacation" in New Zealand.
But I want war targs
I am forced to agree with my esteemed colleage.
But if you so firmly believe that Klingons aren't involved in slavery and that slavery in STO is so dishonorable, why do we have the option of selling slaves to the Orions or buying slaves from the Orions in the duty officer assignments? Why do we have the option of equipping starships with boarding ships called "Orion Slavers" and capturing enemy crew?
I think some of my fellow KDF players are getting into a semantic argument over "slavery" in the game. Yes, slavery is a bad thing. In fact, it's horrible. But then, so is attacking enemy starships and killing their crews. Keep in mind that Klingons were originally created to be the "bad guys." The Klingons are a race that values honor, but there are COUNTLESS examples of Klingons acting dishonorably in ST television and movies. Heck, the simple act of using a cloaking device to "hide" from your enemy and then jump out and kill them is cowardly and dishonorable ... yes, I know the argument mentioned in DS9 is that victory is honorable but that's a pretty weak argument if honor is so important to you.
I will abandon my request for the developers to add the option of taking slaves for crew, but I don't think my request was so off base and out of line within the context of the game as some people want to believe.
The Klingons system could vary, it was never FULLY explained.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klingon_culture
It maybe at one time the Klingons did take slaves but abandoned it as the Following of Kahless became more popular. They may have found it more profitable to make the subjurgated race serve as vassals and have them pay tribute. Regardless whether the Klingons take slaves or not there are other races in the KDF faction who do or may take slaves. My problem with how the KDF faction is organized is how the other races are just extensions of the Klingon Empire and nothing more. This doesn't follow STO's own story line that the other races are voluntary allies with their own goals. I can understand that at the time the KDF faction was rushed out to us that making it a psuedo UFP was easier and faster to do. But as the KDF faction developes they need to seperate the various races with their own story lines, ships, and starting points.
The fact is Orions do take slaves and what I would like to see in a PVP or PVE is the ability to board and take over the ship. In PVP the boarded Capt loses his ship and has to buy a new one and his bridge officers are taken as slaves, both the ship and Boff's can then be sold on the exchange for profit. The Feds could take prisoners, confiscate the ship and get paid a salvage fee for the ship and a bounty for the prisoners.
Out of universe they are akin to samurai-space-vikings so it would make sense too.
Even in the 60's it would have made sense when the Klingons were supposedly modeled after the Soviets considering the Soviets operated in a similar way.
Seeing as how the Klingon society is basically Feudalism in Space, I imagine lower class Klingons are more akin to serfs. Foreign vassals are deffinatly NOT equals in Klingon society, seeing as how most of them would have been made Vassals under millitary conquest, and probably treated as second class citizens at best.
The Klingon Empire in STO reminds me of the Austrian Empire. An Empire of many peoples, but controlled by the German majority, and as such the Germans held almost all the power.
The problem with that is the Orions and other races aren't vassals but allies. It is only because the KDF faction was rushed out to us as a pseudo UFP style of government that it gives the false impression that the others races are extensions of the Klingon Empire, which if you read the story line you find that this isn't true.
The Gorn and the Letheans are though.
Also the unseen aliens who inhabit the Ganalda, and many of the DOFF missions.
Also a few DOFF missions give off a simillar vibe for the Orions, like 'Orion Conscription'.
Niether do i for the same reasons, but they do mention mnay things like work camps and the like in the DOff missions which suggest that while the do not keep slaves as the humans would define slavery but they do understand such things as forced labor and the like.
Wait, isn't this how we get Fed DOFFS from Marauding missions? We "invite" them join our crew?