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edited January 2012 in Klingon Discussion
Hello fellow captains...

I have but a small but very important question.
It derives from the suggestion that was givem me at launch and launch + 6 months that I should ask this question again in a few years time.

It is based on the fact that Klingon was treated very poorly in the start, they could only level with PvP and had hardly and PvE content. It also based upon the fact that there was in aproximately 4 fed ships to each klingon.

So my question is this... has it changed? has there become any justice towards Klingons? Do we now get equal treatment as the fed or is this game still called among klingon circuits for "Federation Online"?
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Well its better than it was at launch. But its still a long way to go.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    You can level from start to LG on story content with a gap of about 5 levels at BG/MG if I remember correctly.
    To achieve this though, KDF toons start at commander rank and all the missions give 5 oir 6 times as much experience I think.

    We have more ship options, but a good 50% or more of them are c-store ships not obtainable ingame (unless you count the dilithium-cpoint exchange)

    I wasn't here at launch, so I can't compare, but it's still a long way behind the federation, IMHO.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Yes and No.
    Tings have changed and we have gotten some fleshing out since release but we still lack a full factional gameplay.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    I think the fact that the Devs now acknowledge the fact that Klingons "should" have the same PvE opportunities to level up that the Federation has is the biggest change.

    For a long time, they completely disputed that notion.

    Only with realization can come actual change.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Yes.. Things have changed a great deal..

    The most important change is Cryptic came under new ownership, and the new owners in a press releases specificly stated that the Klingon Faction in the game wooould be fully developed. My understanding is that Perfect World is mostly hands off on Cryptic, but that right was THE very serious shot across the bow from the new owners. As we all know the ramifications of making "The Owner" (much less the boss) out to be publicly a liar are severe in the extreme. Perhapes even more so with a China based corporation looking to gain a bigger presence in the western game market. It gave me hope at the time that we would finally see some real progress on KDF Content.

    The Changes:
    . Ships, lots and lots of SHIPS. Nausican, Orion, Gorn, and even a few Klingon. For the most part what are deemed "+1" ships. Just a tad better then thier same tier counterparts and unnually with some wort of special console or weapon added. ALl plus one shipss may have a improved Brridge offcier set up and an additional console slot.
    ...........The down side. They're all C-Stoore ships. Nothing was added to the base line up of ships, though certain C-Store ships MAAY be purchased with the free ship token on achiving Lt.General (rank 50) so choose carfully!

    First City remastered, and the KDF Academy added....Now the KDF Academy ground remind me more of the U.S.M.C.'s Camp Lejune then a place where the KDF trains it's officers, but maybe that will change.
    Personally I think they should have put it in a space station or they could have even recycled the original First City.

    Player now unlock KDF content after reaching I think level 25 on the Fed side (I'm not sure personally.. I won't mind if some one corrects me..) And KDF Players start at commander in a tier 3 BOP. There is a tutorial but its more to help new KDF players learn thier way around first city then anything else. The reward for it all is it'll bump you 2 levels and flesh out your Bridge officers roster by the time you are done.
    Levelling is abbreviated and fast. a Player that knows the game and the faction's content can bang a toon up to the level cap in 8 to 12 hours of play. F2P players will take longer I'm afraid because they are going to have some rather nasty limitations on them for the number of BOFF's in thier roster, and they are not going to be familiar with KDF content. I hope most of em have some reasonable social graces so they get picked up by existing KDF fleets aare they are not going to enjoy them selves very much.

    We have had no new KDF specific mission content since season 2.5 and season 3 path of the warrior missions.

    The OFFICIAL promise is all the missing stuff happens this year starting this summer in the 3rd quarter forward. And this time Cryptic really absolutly must deliver.. And for a change its not a pie in the sky sort of time table and Cryptic may start banging out KDF mission content even sooner. I'm pretty sure some folks jobs and reputations are on the line over it. I know if I were the PWE President of US Operations
    after the press release statement that was made I would make if very clear "It Will Be Done Or People Will Be Finding New Jobs Elsewhere". D'Angelo has set the time table and unlike Cryptic under D.Stahl's executive producership Mr. D'Angelo it a type that err's toward caution and a conservative very doable time table. Dev Blog 11 it in reality the absolute MINIMUM that wil be done.

    We may see more then that in 2012, But Mr. D'Angelo refuse to stick his neck out that far, and absolutly does not want to commit the Dev team to more then thay can produce. In military planning parlence I would call Dev post 11 Mr. D'angelo and Cryptic GTH option plan. (( the "Go To Hell" plan which assumes anything and everything that can go wrong will and is therefore a statement of minimum objectives that most certainly ARE achievable))

    So I personally expect to see this year what we have been waiting 2 years to see. And the sooner they can start adding KDF Content and get the process started on a revamp the better both for the KDF Faction and the game. WHo KNows, maybe just maybe by last quaarter of 2012 thay could even start work on a majoor revamp of the PvP system and give us the wargame style PvP we've been asking for since day one.

    So yea, maybe just maybe this will be the Klingon Summer of Love.

    May the enemies you defeat grant you great satisfaction and Honor..

    Khemaraa sends
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2012

    The OFFICIAL promise is all the missing stuff happens this year starting this summer in the 3rd quarter forward. And this time Cryptic really absolutly must deliver.. And for a change its not a pie in the sky sort of time table and Cryptic may start banging out KDF mission content even sooner. I'm pretty sure some folks jobs and reputations are on the line over it. I know if I were the PWE President of US Operations
    after the press release statement that was made I would make if very clear "It Will Be Done Or People Will Be Finding New Jobs Elsewhere". D'Angelo has set the time table and unlike Cryptic under D.Stahl's executive producership Mr. D'Angelo it a type that err's toward caution and a conservative very doable time table. Dev Blog 11 it in reality the absolute MINIMUM that wil be done.

    We may see more then that in 2012, But Mr. D'Angelo refuse to stick his neck out that far, and absolutly does not want to commit the Dev team to more then thay can produce. In military planning parlence I would call Dev post 11 Mr. D'angelo and Cryptic GTH option plan. (( the "Go To Hell" plan which assumes anything and everything that can go wrong will and is therefore a statement of minimum objectives that most certainly ARE achievable))

    So I personally expect to see this year what we have been waiting 2 years to see. And the sooner they can start adding KDF Content and get the process started on a revamp the better both for the KDF Faction and the game. WHo KNows, maybe just maybe by last quaarter of 2012 thay could even start work on a majoor revamp of the PvP system and give us the wargame style PvP we've been asking for since day one.

    So yea, maybe just maybe this will be the Klingon Summer of Love.

    May the enemies you defeat grant you great satisfaction and Honor..

    Khemaraa sends

    I'm sorry but I need to ask: where did you get this official info from?:confused:

    What I've got is basically "something might happen" and nothing else:

    http://forums.startrekonline.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=3931099
    sdangelo wrote: »
    The Klingon faction work is definitely on 2012's list, but I can't promise any date or details at this time. Once I have a more confident dev schedule, I'll share what I know. I don't want to share anything until I have an actual dev schedule that makes it very likely to happen.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Indeed. There have only been the typical "we are working on it" and the typical "soon you will get something" statements.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    At least they aren't still blaiming it on the playerbase ingame with the "if more played KDF we would make more for them " money excuse.......

    Me, I still remember the promise given that if the players asked for more PvE and a better KDF gameplay, we would get it. Of course that was 2 years+ ago and by a different EP...

    If this becomes the third year of no-PvE factional storyline or content to make the KDF worth playing as more than a glorified Monster Play then they need to just close-up the KDF shop refund all the monies spent by those fans on what did exist and let us die with diginity.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    over the past week, about a dozen old kdf guildies have logged in with the free head start and asked "what is new with the kdf" and always get the reply "coming soon".
    They all eventually log out and never return.
    It reminds me of the old "welcome back weekends" that just made people ask "why?"
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    mister_dee wrote:
    I'm sorry but I need to ask: where did you get this official info from?:confused:

    What I've got is basically "something might happen" and nothing else:

    http://forums.startrekonline.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=3931099

    You need to stay up on the Dev blogs.

    D'Angelo stated very clearly that whats on tap for 2012 as the MINIMUM wth be 2 FE's and the KDF Revamp.. Dev post 9,10, and 11 are the ones you need to check I belive.. Go read them.

    ,,,....... And please D'Angelo is NOT Stahl.. He'ss not trying to sell us on the world is coming up roses. Heck for that matter running the STO shop at cryptic might not even what he wants to be doing. But so far he comes across as someone who absoloutly refuses to stick his neck out there any more then he needs to, and apprently belives in promising only what he's aboslutly certain can be delivered on. He may not be as exciting or flashy as Stahl, aand certainly communicates how ever reluctantly much less (and has managed to show at least once thet he did not do his reserch) but I trust him a bit more..

    Please do undersatand I'm NOT going to belive it untill I see it. Theres been far to many dissapointments to the KDF over the last 2 years. But he is in a position of haaving to deliver. Failure to do so could have ruinous concequences. Perfect World International, owner of Perfect World entertainment, owner of Cryptic Studio's is a bit of a multi media company and would be very very unhappy to see a subsidiary operation do something that might hurt PWI's standing and REPUTATION. China based corporaation remember? Many cultural diferences.. some strange to western eyes.. but reputation is everything...

    Cryptic simply does't have any wiggle room on this one.. Perfect world specificly mentioned Klingon faction development in thier press release months back announcing thier aquistion of Cryptic... without being asked about it... They were aware of this particular issue even when they purchased the studio. One that I might add then EP Danial Stahl had firmly back burnered by then.. which by the way might have had more to do with him heading off to do some work for Zinga then would be apparent. He's back at cryptic but NOT as EP. You need to ask your self why that is? He's obviously qualified so why is he not back as EP? I'm going to venture a guess that is because PW dowsn't want him back as EP. That is not the message they want to send. New owners, New policies. They are not going to tell cryptic how to do thier job. But unlike Atari, PWI, and thier US corporate entity PWE are in the actuall online game business with other studios, and internal folks developing content for other titles. It's immateriaal if you like thier asian stsyle business model. They're doing things differently with thier games in the US... but thats the dollars and cents end of what they do. They know games. And obviously do sufficiently well to have not only purchased Cryptic studio's but to have offered Atari sufficient money to bail Atari out of the financial hole they had dug themselves through bad management of thier assets, and poor feduciary judgement.

    Considering what they paid they have shown utterly noteworthy corporate restraint. Most american corporations would have sacked most if not all of the studio's management team within the first 3 months..
    ... just to exert and establish thier control.

    You gotta respect that. Because its going to be years getting a full return on that investment.

    We will see the KDF faction become what it should have always been in 2012. Now yes, there is a lot of reading between the lines and a life time of experiece in the business world. A bit of eduacted guess work and carefull culling of known facts . I hope this answers your question as to what I base my opinion on fully.

    Khemaraa sends.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    You need to stay up on the Dev blogs.

    D'Angelo stated very clearly that whats on tap for 2012 as the MINIMUM wth be 2 FE's and the KDF Revamp.. Dev post 9,10, and 11 are the ones you need to check I belive.. Go read them.

    I did.
    And I just realized I gave a link that's not exactly the best one to give so here's the correct one:

    http://forums.startrekonline.com/showpost.php?p=3931099&postcount=96

    unfortunately it also shows that his comment is from the "Season 5 Dev Diary #11" thread

    http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=246676&page=10
    (Post #96)

    and that it's actually more current that the blog itself.
    So IMO it overrides what was said in the blogs.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    You can level from start to LG on story content with a gap of about 5 levels at BG/MG if I remember correctly.
    To achieve this though, KDF toons start at commander rank and all the missions give 5 oir 6 times as much experience I think.

    We have more ship options, but a good 50% or more of them are c-store ships not obtainable ingame (unless you count the dilithium-cpoint exchange)

    I wasn't here at launch, so I can't compare, but it's still a long way behind the federation, IMHO.

    Well, I might have a Klingon ship or two to offer them design wise ;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Well, I might have a Klingon ship or two to offer them design wise ;)

    Several of us do.
    Problem is they told us explicitly we're not allowed to send in ships and they're not allowed to take them.:(
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