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I just got finished reading the last Dev diary...did I mis-read it, or do the Feds now have access to a vessel with two Universal bridge officer slots (LTs)?
We have access to the same ship...so I guess you could say there is parity...but still.
I am not that spun up on Federation vessels...do they have any other ships that have universal slots? Seems like they have at least one other...but the class escapes me...
I just got finished reading the last Dev diary...did I mis-read it, or do the Feds now have access to a vessel with two Universal bridge officer slots (LTs)?
We have access to the same ship...so I guess you could say there is parity...but still.
I am not that spun up on Federation vessels...do they have any other ships that have universal slots? Seems like they have at least one other...but the class escapes me...
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Federation ships?
Maybe I am missing something...I went back to take a look, and the only one that I saw immediately on the Fed side was the Nebula -- which has a single universal slot.
The new Jemhadar (or however you spell it) ship has two universal LT slots....and it looks like it is going to be available for both the Feds and KDF.
Stats, from the latest Season 5 Dev Blog:
In any case, the Jem'hadar ship is -- I am fairly sure -- the only ship other than the Birds of Prey on the KDF side that have more than one Universal slot.
We both get the ship -- at least that is how it looks. I did not see any mention of a console slot though...and that is normal with C-Store ships.
The universal slots on this new ship are only LT slots, however. That doesn't offer much flexibility at all, nor does it really offer much capability beyond other escorts. Its nice, but two LT universal slots are not a big deal.
And don't all Shuttles have one Universal slot?
Anyway... The Jem'Hardar vessel is problematic of it being a better Escort than any other Escort in this game, due to all the other stats. The Unviersal slots are just icing on the cake. (On the plus side, at least it is apparantly for both factions).
It looks really gorgeous, but come on Cryptic? Can you please stop with bringing unbalanced ships?
My question is, as U-slots become more prevalent ingame will the Birds of Prey see a easing of the handicap they have becuase of them?
If the BoP has a lower hull (24000) and shield (3980) of any ship ingame because of 4 U-slots and a BC for a total of 5 semi- unique characteristics does that equate out to 4800hull and 796shield per characteristic?
Divide by 2 for the OP stigmata this squishy vessel has thats 2400hull and 398shields
Can we have those two ship stats increased on the Hegh'ta or at least the T5 BoP variant for the loss the uniqueness when said U-slots are given away?
Say +4800 hull and +796 shields so the Hegh'ta or T5 variant has 28800 hull and 4776 shields?
I have no doubts that more vessels will arrive ingame with the occassional U-slots and we will even see the battle cloaks uniqueness go away when the Romulans arrive, so how long must the BoPs suffer a handicap for traits that are rapidly disapeering?
Yes the Bop will need a good looking over in the near future.
Im not quite sure how I feel about these new Old Gemhadar raiders being added to the C-Store.
I was very excited when I read the Dev. blog and though this was going to help push the upcoming DS9 FE but it seems that the whole story was just used has a method to peddle new C-Store wares :rolleyes:
The advantage that the BoP universal slots have over lesser "universal" fed-side stuff is that the BoPs high-tier slots are flexible... this dominion ship is locked in for Tac for both the L-4 and L-3 bridge officers
As U-slots make more of an appearance ingame, regardless of wether they are useful in the long run or not, the BoPs need a re-assesment as to wether they are getting true value out of their handicap.
Not everyone is going to PvP in the new vessel or set the U-slots to the most logical use.
Yes they will be re-assessed you now will have hull HP of 450000 with shield HP of 1
This exactly.
What the feds are really getting is another Fleet Escort, but with one fewer science console.
I could see this being more of an issue if the CM or LC slots were universal... but with them locked down this becomes just another fancy toy that is pretty much useless.
So a 15 second lifespan after GW, AMS/SS, TB, PSW, PSW torped, Har'penged and SNB'ed 5 to 1 fed goodness?
(to the playerbase in general)
What?
Klinks aren't the only ones who can lock down an opponent due to bugged consoles, faulty support mechanics and 5 to 1 tactics.
We learned how to do it from the feds use of AMS consoles, SS, BFaw and the har'peng and we learned that lesson well.
The Devs will fix it when they fix it. Most likely faster than they fixed AMS, SS and the har'pengs.
Unless it was just added my Intrepid refit does not have a universal slot.
Good question, that statement confused me too.
Trust me ... If they try to make a beast build beyond a standard, Sci players will strip em down so the rest of us can blow them up.
The best build for those ships is a standard.
Stats 3,000 more hit points than a Fleet Escort
5 points more turn rate than a Fleet escort
1 extra engineering console compared to a fleet escort
one less science console compared to a fleet escort.
0.0.2 more impulse modifier than Fleet Escort
I don't see the trade-off this ship makes. Hopefully the stats are preliminary and testing can change them to something reasonable. But man, this isn't _actually_ rocket science, making balanced stats is not that hard if you have so many ships to compare to.
T5 BoPs are also short 1 rear weapon slot.
The 3000 more base hull is negligible. Trading one console slot for another is also negligible, as both would probably be used for Pay2Win consoles. 5 points more base turn is a plus, but on a ship that's already so agile it won't make as big a difference as people think. The impulse modifier... meh.
It's another .5 quality ship... isn't nearly as OP as folks are suggesting.
Did they change the Intrepid Retrofit? I've got one and there is no universal slot...
Yeah, The B'rel is nearly Identical to the T4 Hegh'ta. I too would hope the T5 non +1 ship has the third rear slot when/if it arrives.
It has a turn rate of 20, which is 5 better than the fleet and advanced escort, and 3 better than the defiant. It is also 5 better than the klingon raptor.
Comparting it to a BoP, it has almost the turning rate of a BoP, but has a lot higher hull, an extra rear weapon slot, an extra ensign BO slot, 4 tac consoles (rather than 3), all for the price of a battle cloak and the cmdr and lt. cmdr universal slots, where some BoP captains fill with tac BOs anyway. The damage it could put out would be higher than a BoP, and yet more sturdy.
Time will tell of course, but I see both Fed and Klingon players using it.
I never said it was "OP". I never even complained -- I was just seeking information more or less.
i agree that the BoP definitely needs a new look in light of the proliferation of universal slots -- at one time, the BoP was the only ship to have them...those slots are becoming more common, and likely to be a feature in future new ships.
In terms of this particular ship though...it has the potential to be a top escort -- if not the top escort -- in the game, and the universal slots pretty much have nothing to do with that.
It has more hull than other ships of this size-- and remember, your skill selections ramp this stat up as well.
It has an additional engineer console slot -- which means it can mount some additional resists, or who knows what.
It has an extremely good turn radius...once again, skill optimization will ramp this stat up also.
So...we have an escort that is probably the most survivable small tactical ship in the game. Remember that speed and manueverability count towards defense also.
I don't see many down sides to this thing. I am not sure if I would put in a sci officer or not...the "normal" configuration will be one engineer, one Sci...but with four engineer consoles...I can almost see going without the sci and going with two engineers. If the ensign slot was a sci, I think that is exactly what I would do.
No, it doesn't have a universal slot. Only the Nebula and Nebula Retrofit have Universal slots at this time Fed side.