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The Time has Come

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edited November 2011 in Klingon Discussion
My Klingon brothers, we are all well aware of the treachery of the J'mpok and his allies, and it is time the we restore true honor to the Empire, we must overthrow J'mpok!

Yeah..anyhoo, i thought of this while reading the Federation/Klingon Peace treaty idea that was thrown out a while ago. Through out every series of Star Trek, there has always been unstable government, and I feel that STO doesnt take advantage of the political factors of their own universe. Maybe that peace treaty isnt such a bad idea, if the Klingons split up maybe between factions supporting J'mpok and a challenging house (maybe players can choose sides?) they could introduce a more concentrated Romulan or Dominion threat or something. It would really shake things up on the Klingon side, and make the whole story line a whole lot more interesting. Just my two bits, of course this would happen in like season 9 or 10, but just throwing it out there. Thanks!
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Could even lay the frame work for the Empire eventually joining the Federation. If I'm not mistaken, it does in the 26th century, doesn't it? Maybe Worf vs J'mpok for the fate of the Klingon people.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Sprint01 wrote:
    Could even lay the frame work for the Empire eventually joining the Federation. If I'm not mistaken, it does in the 26th century, doesn't it? Maybe Worf vs J'mpok for the fate of the Klingon people.

    It happened in an alternate timeline where Enterprise did not destroy the spheres in the Delphic Expanse and the Expanse nearly encompassed the entire quadrant.
    In what way does it make any sense to say "it happens" when it happened in an alternate timeline?:confused:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Come on n ow, you know that requires them to make klingon story missions... :cool:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Totally support this. Always felt the Klingon side to be lacking without Martok - he was legendary. It's a shame he can't be brought back somehow. I'm tempted to go to Quadra Sigma, hijack the temporal portal and fetch him back! :D

    It would be good canon Klingon wise to have some form of system whereby the player could pledge alligance to a specific House - could also tie in with territory-control and PVP related aspects of the game as an extension. But yeah - we Klingons definately need some political intrigue and back-stabbing just to make it feel more...homely.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Im sure they can think of a way to revive him, I mean, how many times did Spock die, 8? :p The Klingons have always been far to heavily based on PvP, and I'm awful at that stuff. You can really see the difference between the Klingon and Feds now with the new episode layout. The KDF is really lacking in in story. I would love them to explore some more internal klingon issues, thats untapped stuff right there. :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    NX-89 wrote:
    Totally support this. Always felt the Klingon side to be lacking without Martok - he was legendary. It's a shame he can't be brought back somehow. I'm tempted to go to Quadra Sigma, hijack the temporal portal and fetch him back! :D

    It would be good canon Klingon wise to have some form of system whereby the player could pledge alligance to a specific House - could also tie in with territory-control and PVP related aspects of the game as an extension. But yeah - we Klingons definately need some political intrigue and back-stabbing just to make it feel more...homely.

    I'm likeing the idea of subfactions within the KDF. Since it was J'm'Pok that deposed Martok, there has to be much animosity between his house and that of Lady Sirrella's. Especially since the revived House of Duras greatly supports J'm'Pok. There is much potential for PvE roleyplaying exploring the conflict between the three houses.

    Last I checked, there are seven or eight great houses in the Empire. It would be wonderful if the players could declare themselves to a house(on a weekly or monthly basis), and the results of their actions were tallied up. Daliy House Missions, and the results of KvK arena, assault, capture, and space war missions could be recorded and influence the house score based on the performance of the player. There could be a scoreboard for each of the Houses to see who controls the Empire for the week. A benifit of this could be cheaper prices at vendors, and less samples for crafting items.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    As a real life Klingon costumer who's house is allied with The House Of Martok I agree! This is a great idea.


    Qapla Batlh Je!
    Marok
    XO IKV Emperor's Hand (Cold Terror Fleet of The Klingon Assault Group)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Remember before launch they kept saying Martok was going to be the current Chancellor, then the game launches and no Martok....we get Jm'pok a Chancellor with a weak background, appearance and character. I dont like it at all.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Well since Torg was one of Jm'pok's key allies and was proved to be a traitor it's seems clear that Jm'pok is about as much what the Empire needs as a Tribble conservation programme. How epicly Klingon would it be have a story arc that features the overthrowing of the Jm'pok administration? And at the risk of sounding like a broken record...the Empire NEEDS Martok. The Klingon side needs memorable and significant figures of substance like Martok, or Chang (although he's too far back in history to be brought back unless the Guardian of Forever is taking requests).

    Personally I reckon there's some serious mileage in this type of Klingon expansion - not only would be be more canon but would also go towards appeasing the Klingon player-base. Hopefully, once the dust has settled from the F2P conversion, this will be an area looked at by the devs as part of the commitment to increased Klingon content. Because, to be honest, throughout the entire Trek canon, the two instances where the Klingons are at their best is in times of war or internal political turmoil and from how the current in-game story goes, the war angle has stagnated - so bring on 'plan B'!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    I would have no issue with a KDF internal civil war as long as it does not lead to us being absorbed by the Federation. Often political changes and and unrest has been a aprt of our system of government and I see no reason why it can not be part of the changes they are bringing our faction after F2P.
    Of course they would have to make content for us seperate from the feds, which I always support.

    Perhaps the clone of Kahless can return to lead his people in a time of need?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Roach wrote: »
    I would have no issue with a KDF internal civil war as long as it does not lead to us being absorbed by the Federation. Often political changes and and unrest has been a aprt of our system of government and I see no reason why it can not be part of the changes they are bringing our faction after F2P.
    Of course they would have to make content for us seperate from the feds, which I always support.

    Perhaps the clone of Kahless can return to lead his people in a time of need?

    The clone is probably either dead, or very old by this point.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Sprint01 wrote:
    The clone is probably either dead, or very old by this point.

    I'm sure He can be recloned.
    Anyways the suggestion was eluding to his leaving with that famous quote, " I will return when the Empire needs me."
    Now I got to reread teh timeline to find out when it happened, if it happened.....
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    True. TBH, I'd love to see it happen.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Sprint01 wrote:
    The clone is probably either dead, or very old by this point.

    Don't we get to interact with Kahless in one of the Gre'thor missions or something like that?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    KTagloH wrote: »
    Don't we get to interact with Kahless in one of the Gre'thor missions or something like that?

    Yup and he looked very much alive to me.
    Has somebody not actually done his research and played the Klingon missions?;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Roach wrote: »
    I'm sure He can be recloned.
    Anyways the suggestion was eluding to his leaving with that famous quote, " I will return when the Empire needs me."
    Now I got to reread teh timeline to find out when it happened, if it happened.....

    Or Klingons have a long lifespan. B'Vat was a Captain during the time of Kirk and he is still around in 2409, thats OLD.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    KTagloH wrote: »
    Don't we get to interact with Kahless in one of the Gre'thor missions or something like that?

    Yup. Also, in "Path to 2409", it is stated that Kahless II, son of Kahless the First (aka Kahless the Unforgettable) left the Empire for other battlefields, saying that the Empire didn't need him at this time.

    ***Spoiler Alert***

    I also think that in the Fe'kir'i storyline it is hinted at that Kahless's clone may actually BE the renicarnation of Kahless the Unforgettable. Something Molor the Tyrant said to that effect
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    whamhammer wrote: »
    Or Klingons have a long lifespan. B'Vat was a Captain during the time of Kirk and he is still around in 2409, thats OLD.

    Memory Alpha says;
    Klingons were capable of living well over a century in age. Individuals such as Kang, Koloth, Kor and Arne Darvin lived well over one hundred years. (DS9: "Blood Oath", "Trials and Tribble-ations", "Once More Unto the Breach")

    No exact lifespan has been given for Klingons, just approximates. In 2370, Odo observed that Kor "must be a hundred years old" and his "best friend," Koloth, was "probably a hundred and fifty years old." This observation was made over 100 years after their encounter with James Kirk

    We live longtime if not killed.:D
    So we keep trying!
    Everybody knows the party is in STOVOKOR!
    LOL
    Qa'Pla!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Roach wrote: »
    Memory Alpha says;



    We live longtime if not killed.:D
    So we keep trying!
    Everybody knows the party is in STOVOKOR!
    LOL
    Qa'Pla!

    True, but B'vats hanging towards the two-hundred mark now.... :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    whamhammer wrote: »
    True, but B'vats hanging towards the two-hundred mark now.... :D

    Its all that clean living and fresh kills.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Sprint01 wrote:
    Could even lay the frame work for the Empire eventually joining the Federation. If I'm not mistaken, it does in the 26th century, doesn't it? Maybe Worf vs J'mpok for the fate of the Klingon people.

    I would love to see J'mpok overthrown and buried face down in a field somewhere.

    He lacks honor and taints the honor of our Empire.

    However, I do NOT want to see our Empire shackled to the Federation as if there is one thing my working along side them has taught me ... they will try to convert our people to their way of thinking, stepping over the beliefs that are the foundations of our people.

    No, the Klingon Empire and its allies have no place as part of their ... Federation of Planets.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    I must agree with P-A-T-H-F-I-N-D-E-R.

    We are Klingons. We have our pride and traditions, our very belief is shaped by our concept of honor and it is our identity. Many are those who throughout time has tried to conquer the Empire, from the ancient enemy H'urq to the Fek'lhr, even the mighty Borg has failed to assimilate us. And then should we let all the blood that has been spilled to preserve the Empire mean nothing? Shall we then consider giving up our heritage only to be assimilated by the soft touch and heart of the Federation?

    I have a great respect for the Federation and if they were not enemies of the Empire I would welcome them in my home. But welcommng them in my home is far different than giving them the Empire. While they stand by their values and have integrity in their own fashion, they would seek to change us. For us to be like them, we would have to abandon our traditions, our right to challenge a weak captain. Our rights to demand honor be settled with a bat'leth. Our entire way of life would be at risk. To join them would be to risk assimilation just as surely as if we allowed the Borg to come to Qo'nos.

    It is said to win a battle at the cost of an Empire is no victory, and to loose a battle to save an Empire is no defeat. I would rather loose the war with the Federation than join it, if loosing this war allows the Empire to exist. J'mpok might already have set us upon that path, and though I do not have any fondness for the Chancelor, he is the Chancelor. For now.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Khern wrote: »
    I must agree with P-A-T-H-F-I-N-D-E-R.

    We are Klingons. We have our pride and traditions, our very belief is shaped by our concept of honor and it is our identity. Many are those who throughout time has tried to conquer the Empire, from the ancient enemy H'urq to the Fek'lhr, even the mighty Borg has failed to assimilate us. And then should we let all the blood that has been spilled to preserve the Empire mean nothing? Shall we then consider giving up our heritage only to be assimilated by the soft touch and heart of the Federation?

    I have a great respect for the Federation and if they were not enemies of the Empire I would welcome them in my home. But welcommng them in my home is far different than giving them the Empire. While they stand by their values and have integrity in their own fashion, they would seek to change us. For us to be like them, we would have to abandon our traditions, our right to challenge a weak captain. Our rights to demand honor be settled with a bat'leth. Our entire way of life would be at risk. To join them would be to risk assimilation just as surely as if we allowed the Borg to come to Qo'nos.

    It is said to win a battle at the cost of an Empire is no victory, and to loose a battle to save an Empire is no defeat. I would rather loose the war with the Federation than join it, if loosing this war allows the Empire to exist. J'mpok might already have set us upon that path, and though I do not have any fondness for the Chancelor, he is the Chancelor. For now.

    ::: passes the bloodwine ...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    tlhIngan maH!

    Hem tlhIngan Segh 'ej maHemtaH 'e' wIHech!!!
    (Klingons are a proud race, and we intend to go on
    being proud)


    Qapla Batlh Je!
    Marok
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    If you disagree with J'mpoks methods of government, then CHALLENGE him!

    I too dislike him and find his methods dubiuos, but if he is so wrong for the Empire then gather support and put challenge to him.

    We are a people of action not one that uses fancy speeches or requests for change.
    Take what you want!
    Make your reach as long as your grasp and foster change if it be for the good of the Empire to do so.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Roach wrote: »
    If you disagree with J'mpoks methods of government, then CHALLENGE him!

    I too dislike him and find his methods dubiuos, but if he is so wrong for the Empire then gather support and put challenge to him.

    We are a people of action not one that uses fancy speeches or requests for change.
    Take what you want!
    Make your reach as long as your grasp and foster change if it be for the good of the Empire to do so.

    "I did challenge him. The honorless ******* threw me in Rura Penthe instead of facing me in honorable combat.

    One day ... one day .... but today the Borg are on our doorstep, so what is best for the Empire is to face our enemy.

    Then a D'K Tahg through his heart in honorable combat,"

    So says Hauk of the House of Rha.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    P-A-T-H-F-I-N-D-E-R wrote:
    "I did challenge him. The honorless ******* threw me in Rura Penthe instead of facing me in honorable combat.

    One day ... one day .... but today the Borg are on our doorstep, so what is best for the Empire is to face our enemy.

    Then a D'K Tahg through his heart in honorable combat,"

    So says Hauk of the House of Rha.

    Welcome to the halls of power and politics. Mind your step, traps lay everywhere.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    P-A-T-H-F-I-N-D-E-R wrote:
    the Klingon Empire and its allies have no place as part of their ... Federation of Planets.

    Long live the Empire!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    mister_dee wrote:
    Yup and he looked very much alive to me.
    Has somebody not actually done his research and played the Klingon missions?;)

    I played it but honestly, it's all a bit of a blur. I really don't like the KDF side.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Sprint01 wrote:
    I played it but honestly, it's all a bit of a blur. I really don't like the KDF side.


    < silent up until now the slightly off-putting Orion Female Officer standing behind Roach speaks>, " I says we string'em up him as a fed sympie thiser just to be sure. ' < Strangely violent Orion Female Officer starts to reach for knife..>

    < stops her hand >
    SOrry about that. My mate is a bit cranky this early in the morning before ra'Taj is served.

    You dislike the KDf , eh?
    Pity that. Hopefully you will give us a try after F2P launches and they've actually brought the revival the the faction in PvE content?
    See what life on the Ridged side is like?:p

    Well. hopefully time will change your mind and you will try. I'm off for ra'taj.

    < scoots Orion female before him >
    < silly woman. how many times I tell you . Don't kill feddies early in the morning, they smell worse on the dying at that time.>< No, I do not know why.> < Now hush and go eat.>
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