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Hello, as it stands one of the 700 day Vet Rewards will be an Android.
Since there's still some time until the first people will mos likely receive this I hope we can influence what the Klingon (or KDF in general) android models will look like.
I hope they won't just be the same for both factions.
I'd like to hear some ideas from the KDF player community:
What would you like you android BO to look like, what costomization options should we get?
And what colour should it have?
Should the KDF model go for some innocent off-white or perhaps a more "robust" looking iron or tritanium tone?:)
Since there's still some time until the first people will mos likely receive this I hope we can influence what the Klingon (or KDF in general) android models will look like.
I hope they won't just be the same for both factions.
I'd like to hear some ideas from the KDF player community:
What would you like you android BO to look like, what costomization options should we get?
And what colour should it have?
Should the KDF model go for some innocent off-white or perhaps a more "robust" looking iron or tritanium tone?:)
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It would probably be a bit more functional in its appearance.
Certainly not be a T-800 or that...thing from "Judge Dredd"
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-35gBdqX9D7c/TZ5vizhHAOI/AAAAAAAAfrg/c7kOZe1M0z8/s1600/KILLER%2BROBOT%2BJUDGE.jpg
with exposed joints etc but perhaps a bit more like Data himself looked like under his artifical skin in "First Contact" sans the totally unneded and ridicilous blinkies everywhere.
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/firstcontacthd/firstcontacthd2023.jpg
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/firstcontacthd/firstcontacthd2106.jpg
I mean what do you need thousands of LEDs under your skin for?
If it did not look like a Klingon and appeared to be a machine fashioned for war (possibly to fill our thin ranks) that gains intelligence through a quirk of design (our version of a Cyclon?) I could live with it.
I collect BOffs and the Klinks have damned few to collect is it is.
On a side note Klingon Translation software is a bit more sophistacted then thier Federation counterparts.. there are a number of technological areas where the Klingons actually exceed federation abilities.. Just because were a bunch of bloodwine sucking, head butting warrior types doesn't mean were stupid!!!
This post has been edited to remove content which violates the Cryptic Studios Community Rules and Policies. ~Stormshade
heh...that would be cool...Ted Cassidy would be so proud....
First off, I think you are sorely mistaken when it comes to the Klingons being in space far longer than humans and the Federation. Watch TNG epidose "First Contact" (EPISODE, not the movie). As that came BEFORE Enterprise (I will never permit it the honor of the Star Trek title), and the fact that every Enterprise episode had glaring discrepancies with offical cannon, I can safely refute the misperception about the Klingons being more advanced than the Federation.
Secondly, not all Americans are bigots. Your comments almost betray your own bigotry against Americans. Please keep it to yourself. I will keep my nationalism in check as long as you keep yours in check as well.
I don't recall that episode stating anything about Klingon level of technology or when they went into space.
What's your point?
I think what he is refering to is an oversight about how in TOS a federation ship could be equally matched with a klingon ship. The oversight is from the fact that pre federation where "enterprise" takes place is before the federation of planets and the sharing and developing of technologies occured and that the vulcans gave them scientific advancement but not tactical or engineering being the klingons were in space long before humans. The Fek'ihr horde which is canon is proof of that itself if they did not have technology of that magnitude they would have been wiped out.
As for my statement about android boffs for the KDF. I think we should have a special random clone instead of famous people in Klingon history. That would fit canon
Woa buddy, not cool to insult people's nationality.
Please edit that, it doesn't belong in the forums.
Yes, a Klingon ship half its mass.
K't'inga 120,000 tons
Connie refit 210,00 tons
(I don't have any proper data on the D7 itself unfortunately)
However that does not say anything about Klingon level of technology relative the Federation tech.
It only means that relative to Earth's Starfleet the Federation Starfleet was more advanced but where is anything about the Klingons in this?
To me it sounds more like he says that he does not like "Enterprise", therefore does not consider "Enterprise" to be valid because it contradicts what was before.
That's okay IMO when it actually contradicts what was before but there's nothing in the TNG Episdode "First Contact" about Klingon tech "Enterprise" would actually contradict.
In canon they were someone or something that was defeated by Kahless.
Canonwise nothing more is known about them.
HMM, well we know how sceptical they were regarding the second Kahless so I'm not sure they'd routinely clone important folks.
When the soul has passed to Sto'vo'kor the body is nothing but an empty shell to them.
Why would they deliberately recreate the shell when the soul that inhabted its previous incarnation is not there to be a part of it?
A completely artifical lifeform actually sounds more likely to me especially since there'd be less contradiction to the way they operate.
Even though it's sometimes forgotten Klingons are actually a spriritual people and Androids (why do I keep getting back to Klingdroids in my head???) don't actually contradict this world view.
To them such a machine would be more like a tool, perhaps in time a very valued one like a ship.
But they'd probably not have the same AI rights defense issues the Feds seem to have.
I take that to mean they are primative rechonolgically, NOT in tactics and strategy. After all, Sun Tzu was one of, if not the greatest warriors in history. His tactics and stratgegy was very advanced despite the techological level of ancient China. In war there are several multiplyers that can tip the scales.
Technology
Tactics(training)
Terrain
It is entirely possible for advanced weapontry to be defeated. The Federation may have had the technology in TOS, but the Kilngons could have had superior numbers(of ships and troops), and could have used spacial phenomena(terrain) to great effect. As I recall, in the Klingon-Federation strife leading up to the Dominion War, the Klingons very often used natural features in space to mask their activities and ambush federation ships.
On another track, there have been several instances in Early American history where the European settelers (and later American settlers) were better armed than the Native populations in North America, but still were defeated in individual battles. This is especially true of the early Spanish expiditions in Central and South America. In an open field with no cover, it takes much longer to reload and fire a flintlock than it does to draw and fire a bow. A well trained archer can fire off and incapacitate many more opponents than a flintlock can. The advantage of a flintlock is that you need much less training to use.
As for the Klingons, i doubt that they would really want a "blasted Machine" on their ships that did anything other than make drinks or scream when they beat it. I'd say it'd have to be modeled after some non KDF faction species as i doubt the Klingons would want it pulling the "i'm alive" card and asking for the same rights a Klingon warrior has.
Why not? Especially if it's shown itself to fight an even more glorious fight than it's creators! After all, does the KDF accept all who come to it now, from the mighty gorn, to the shifty Nausicans and Orion, and the timeless standard of honor, the klingon?
While it may have been built as a 'mere' weapon of war, one that can demonstrate itself to be more klingon than a klingon would be a valuable additon to the empire's forces indeed.
I'd want mine to look decidedly non-living. Perhaps without a face (like a Breen or an armored Cylon) and possibly one arm replaced with a weapon -- maybe a big, ugly meathook. Indicators, panels and circuitry visible. No clothes, just war-paint and dirty slogans scrawled on it in Klingon and written in grease pencil. And it should make a clunking, whirring sound as it moves.
"War Machine" would be a good name for it, if it weren't already taken. :rolleyes:
I like the idea of having a weapon in place of one of the arms. When a player would equip a weapon, the arm graphic would change to reflect the equipped weapon. For dual pistols, both arms would end in pistols in place of actual hands.
How about you actually watch the episode before you post somethign like this?
Here is a transcript of what is said in the episode:
"Chancellor, there is no starship mission more dangerous than that of first contact.
We never know what we will face when we open the door on a new world.
How we will be greeted.
What exactly the dangers will be.
Centuries ago disastrous contact with the Klingon Empire lead to decades of war.
And it was decided then we would do surveillance before before making contact."
So unless you have an entirely different edition of this episode than everyone else on this planet this is a monumental waste of time and effort.
Ohh!!! Good call from Roach. One of the Biggest gripes a lot of people had with bonus officers was that there is little to no customization. Look at the First boff we got, the Borg Engineer. the only thing we couldn't customize was the sex and species (since the borg are incredibly racists according to Cryptic). But since then any special bridge officers we've been able to aquire have NO customization at all. NONE. The Science Borg, the Photonic Life form, the Breen, the Reman, none of these guys have any form of customization and frankly that just sucks.
The options are clearly in the game. There are a lot of varients on most of these guys that there SHOULD be some kind of specialization options to choose from. I'd LOVE to have access to all the borg body types for both of my Borg Boffs. The Reman and Breen have way more options then not to let them go as is, and the Hologram should work just like any other player character in terms of customization.
Am i to believe that Cryptic is just giving up on the great customization options that make it's games stand out above so many others?
Have you SEEN the Klingons? While they HAVE scientists, scientists they are not. Klingons as a whole are a warrior society and as such wouldn't develop something to Rob warriors of their honor and Glory. It's also why i don't quite agree with some of the things in *SPOILER* THE DOOMSDAY MACHINE where they Klingons unleash it when it kind of goes against everything we know about how Klingons roll *END OF SPOILER* It would be a tool if that, otherwise had the Klingons been so interested they would have taken an interest in Data which never happened.
Klingon Augments would make way more sense since it enhances the warrior, not replaces them.
Furthermore: Keep in mind that every special BO besides the Liberated Borg was not customizable - neither the Photonic, nor Breen, Khitomer-Borg or even Reman. Thus, it can be argued that the Android BO will a) not even remotely look like Data and b) be not customizable, incl. his uniform, class and gender.
I hope to be wrong, though. :cool:
Yes! I can only hope~
Then why would they not steal/design or otherwise create a simple android Shock trooper?
Augments sounds interesting but many will becry No, due to the Klingon TOS augment storyline, yadda yadda.