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They need to make a cruiser styled B'rel/K'vort Bird of Prey ship for engineers. I keep getting my butt whooped as an engineer in a T5 B'rel. I love the B'rel ship design...but BoPs arent quite as advertised. The poor hull and shields on the B'rel make it extremely difficult to make viable for an engineer. I cant keep my shields or hull up cause the ship is just too weak. I may have better luck with the Hegh'ta but I think those BoPs are hidious.
What I suggest is they make the K'vort. A B'rel styled ship thats twice the size of the normal B'rel. Has a turn rate a little quicker than the Vor'cha and is alot more durable than the original B'rel. It needs more than 2 aft weapon slots.
This would be canon too, K'vorts do exist in Star Trek. (or at least they did in an alternate timeline) in the TNG episode "Yesterdays Enterprise" even if its from an alternate timeline....big deal.
Or...if you want to be real simple, add a large B'rel skin for the Hegh'ta.
And, this offers an opportunity to fix the B'rel model up a bit. It needs its impulse engine redone to have the yellow bit in the middle, get rid of the 2 extra impulse engines. And add more bulk to the neck, fix the windows on the ship too.
What I suggest is they make the K'vort. A B'rel styled ship thats twice the size of the normal B'rel. Has a turn rate a little quicker than the Vor'cha and is alot more durable than the original B'rel. It needs more than 2 aft weapon slots.
This would be canon too, K'vorts do exist in Star Trek. (or at least they did in an alternate timeline) in the TNG episode "Yesterdays Enterprise" even if its from an alternate timeline....big deal.
Or...if you want to be real simple, add a large B'rel skin for the Hegh'ta.
And, this offers an opportunity to fix the B'rel model up a bit. It needs its impulse engine redone to have the yellow bit in the middle, get rid of the 2 extra impulse engines. And add more bulk to the neck, fix the windows on the ship too.
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For some reason all requests for the K'Vort have been...acknoledged and then nothing.
I have no clue why.
For the moment I can't give you any advice except I put my 4th KDF character, an Engineer, into a Raptor (and on top of that armed with beams) and I'm having a lot of fun.
The hull is trong enough and with Emergency Power to Shields II and Rotate Shield Frequency combined with Tactical Team (always a good thing against incoming fire and that Tac ensign is ther for a reason
Firing torps cloaked doesnt mean diddly though. In PvP, which is primarily all I do, in larger maps im often focusing on one target and their shields arent always down. Firing torps at a ship with full shields doesnt do anything.
Bad news is you'll need to buy them through the Cstore.
They are not earnable in any way other than that.
But, they come with some cool stuff you can't get anywhere else, as will most of the Cstore ships in general.
The quad cannons may look cool but they are lacking in power. Really, this has nothing to do with the point of this thread though.
BCloaking in combat on a battle cruiser and still being in the combat zone due to speed issues may suck.
Besides, I would hate to use a less-survivable BattleCruiser just to have a battle cloak.
Since the "B'rel" and "Hegh'ta" are technicly almost the same I wouldnt mind if they nerv the manuevability of the hegh'ta in change for hull and/or shields... the K'vort would make a great alt skin for that.
That wouldnt be a "BoP cruiser", but closer to that.
Big yes but most of it are wide skinny wings and a long thin neck with a small command section.
When you scaled a B'Rel BoP up to 350 meters you end up with a far more massive ship, especially the rear section on that ship is bigger.
So the Hegh'ta and the K'vort don't really have much in common beyond their length and the fact they have wings.
My ideal config would be a K'vort cruiser with one more point of turnrate compared to the Vor'cha (and of course a tiny bit less hull) but with an
LtC Science, because during the Dominion War we don't see them in any number as a frontline warship but appearently as lone patrol ships and areas like the Badlands are only sensible to patrol with good sensors.
So as an "inverted T5 Nebula" configwise the ship might be good to go.
We obviously speak of difrent ships.
The wings are in no way "skinny", especially not compared to the original bop.... also (although that cant be reflectet in game mechanics) the BoP design does not make ANY scense if you consider the wings are parts of the ship that are essential for its survival. They just carry weapons, and loosing them does just mean loosing that weapons, not more not less.
And the main hull + head are very massive, especially compared to any fed escort besides the defaint. (at least if you dont take that Haj-garbage-parts)
Couldnt disagree more.
Beside, of course, that thei are about the same size wich just supports my previous post.
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/7401/hegtakvortcomp.jpg
a hypothetical K'vort would look like this.
The rear hull is more massive, the neck is shorter and the command section is also much larger, both in width and height.
The wing surface is also larger as the K'vort would also be wider when both ships have their wings up.
Same length does not mean same size as in volume and mass, not when the proportions are totally different.
Remember, I was saying it should be faster then a Vor'cha...with a little less shields/hull than a Vor'cha. And if all fails, It doesnt necessarily need a battle cloak.
http://www.startrek.com/legacy_media/images/200407/tng-163-kvort-bird-01/320x240.jpg
Also, K'vorts fought with their wings up. I would estimate they are about half the wide of the Galaxy class saucer too.
Not half as wide.
At a length of 350 meters and with their wings up they'd be pretty much as wide as a Galaxy's saucer
http://www.suricatafx.com/?p=274
or as wide as a Vor'cha.
Which is exactly what we saw in "Reunion".
Which fits well with my idea. Hopefully Cryptic gets what we are going for here. The K'vort was an awesome ship that deserves representation. And wouldnt be that hard to make, and could offer time to polish the existing B'rel model which is a bit lacking.
Besides the result would be a ship with 4/2 weapons and only 8 actually useable consoles.
I don't see this happening simply because it would kill any possible sales of the B'rel refit on the c-store. That may actually be the reason behind them not releasing a K'vort class as well... though if they added it to c-store, what difference would it make, so that argument may not stand up to much scrutiny.
Still, I'd love to have a T4 or 5 K'vort class, though it might make more sense canon-wise to have it as T3.5 or so... Seemed like it was the ship to have while the Vor'cha was [presumably] the flagship, as evidenced by "Reunion". As the Vor'cha was the chancellor's ship in that episode, and 2 [presumed] K'vorts were the chariots of Gowron and Duras, we can come to the (albeit somewhat stretched) conclusion that K'vorts were formidable battle-cruisers and not the versatile B'rel scout/raider.
Just my opinion though. I hope we see it eventually. I hardly ever see B'rels and, even though I love the design (and it probably my favorite sci-fi ship design) I don't dare fly around in it. Call me a coward if you dare, but I seek honor in victory, not a quick death. I need a ship that can survive long enough to get me to the ground so I can crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and hear the lamentations of the women.