2 sectors.. Orion Home world, social zone.. One base..primarily civilian and a ub for black market activity.
References: TOS original series, Capatins Pike's visit to Orion, Enterprise.. The Orion slave trading station.
3rd sector can be the Nausican home world.
Gorn Sector Block. 2 or 3 sectors. Gorn home worlds, (reportedly there are actually 3 of them), and the Lethean home world.
Orion sector block should touch on the Federation as Orion was a member state of the Federation before deciding the Federation was just not thier thing.
Gorn sectors should touch on both Federation and Romulan space.
Some redrawing of the "Galactic" map may beed to be done. Several Federation "exploration" zones could be removed or moved to "make room"
Benifits besides obvious expansion ro KDF space would be to provide additional areas for future territorial combat area's,, additional social zones (including semi neutral zones such as Ferenginar) Room for additional KDF related content including Patrol type missions.
The Orion homeworld is in Federation space.
The Orions on the KDF side actually left it and settled in Klingon space.
So if there is some kind of homeworld it would be the homeworld of the Synicate not the Orions in general.
In case of the Gorn, the thing with the three homeworlds comes from Star Fleet Battles.
Since that is a tiny Trek-related universe seperate fron anything else we'd probably have to use material from Pocket books as a basis so there is only one Gorn homeworld.
I support having a sector with the Gorn Homeworld. However, it should be somewhere close to the Cestus System since that is where Kirk fought the Gorn.
I also agree there should be a sector with the Lethian Homeworld.
I also think there should be a three vertical sector block that connects the Hiromi Sector Block to the Psi Velorum Sector block. This area could be set up similar to the Eta Edrani Sector block, but it would eventually support KDF vs. RSE PvP. It could also have a host of missions relating the Klingon invasion of the RSE.
I support any sector rehash that gives the Klingon Empire a better reprentation ingame.
Besides the game needs open but empty unclaimed sector blocks around most of the known and charted areas to represetn the size of space.
Fill them with rnadom or known worlds that offer rnadomly generated missions as you travel past ehm in space add in the same as roaming random space contacts and basically just try to make it fun.
Also I think that cloaking should be possibl ein warp travel (if technobabbly supported)
As far as I can determine this was the map used as a basis for the STO map, at least in part and rotated roughly 20 degrees counterclockwise (either that or I'm dizzy)
given the odd shape of various things (like Federation space both left and right of Klingon space) it seems the 3d aspect of space makes a traditional map less than complete.
Our galaxy is more or less a disk and seperated into "sectors" in STO.
But the question is whether on such sector "cube" has a sidelength that corresponds to the height of out galaxy or not.
In any case...wasn't there a thread somewhere about some proposed additonal sectors along with a map in the depths of this forum?
I seem to remember as much.
Something mentioned in several places were the Kinshaya
even in the recent Pocket Books.
They could be an enemy on the side opposite of the Klingon Federation space and would probably make a far better and credible enemy than the space-demons.
+1 to the above. It's been said for a while that Klink space needs to be expanded but hopefully that'll be addressed a part of the "expanding the KDF faction" commitment that was announced as part of the vision going forward. I have to agree on a Lethean homeworld (although I'm biased since I have one, and they are totally awesome, IMO).
Also, I think the Gorn homeworld is coming as part of the Borg ground invasions, isn't it? I keep hearing talk from different sources that the Gorn will be the target species of the assimilation attempt. If so that would be cool. If the assimilated Undine wasn't cool enough - can you imagine what several 2-metre tall Gorn drones would be like?! UBER-OWNAGE.
Were there any races (aside from the major ones stated in the timeline) that the KDF have subjecated for otherwise "acquired"? Perhaps a future FE series or faction-specific mission may focus on a race who end up falling under the Klingon flag? Just a suggestion. Would be cool.
I like these ideas with sectors and such I just have few things that could go along with it for territory wars and such.
1. First additional idea is its a given federation only players are a huge ratio over people who even have one KDF character at LG so ker'rat being an example of how just needing more and more federation players showing up wins it out. So technically there would need to be some kind of balance which would more than likely involve (unless someone has a better idea) a pre-invasion/attack mission the fed side has to do that limits the amount of players on the defense or invasion force of the federation where they would have to fight a npc blockade or something in a given time limit. One big starter one would be trying to retake the space for the Orion Homeworld (possibly each time it is taken there maybe something left well hidden that the KDF needs/wants )
2. Expanding these Borg Red Alerts into something along the lines of other enemy factions like Undine, Romulans, Remans, Dominion, etc (Seems borg are only thing that get any spotlight).
3. Semi part of suggestion 2 is making a new type of STF that cannot really be solo played but is doable with 2+ players against other enemy factions but can be done with just 2 people if need be.
4. This suggestion I'd think would be a KDF specific type of mission that goes along with the conquest attempted in wrath of khan where Klingons seek weapons of ultimate power. This would be a type of mission to get the actual Klingon feel for like a mission that would take great skill to accomplish and have *actual bragging rights* as put by the Executive Producer Emergency Hologram
5. Last thing is our empire defenses I think need to be revamped into more of defending more specific things in them instead of just attacking random floating enemies. As well being able to do these non borg Empire Defenses at LG as well as like in Pi Canis Sorties the ships we fight to have some intense action a Typhoon, Oracle, and Hermes class ships are junk ships no one in the game event flies these things the only one we ever can fight that has any ooooh ahhhh saucer seperation then 2 seconds later destroyed. I believe we need some hidden defiant retrofits, multi vectors, dreadnoughts, excelsiors, and 2 top end sci ships. If this is too much work to get rolling which i'm not employee so it may be one thing I would recommend is give us a ground/away team version of these too that might be easier to roll out or even for a repeatable in another sector.
6. My never ending suggestion/plea revamp/fix/polish/or even kill and replace with a working exploration system for KDF federation one at best is bad and KDF version is just utter trash it was like whoever worked on them purposely was put there to TRIBBLE it up and make customers mad.
Thats my 2 cents of where I want to see the KDF going...
I had to add one other thing I think instead of it being exploration it should be mostly Nausicaan themed since they are Pirates for Hire that it be more in that line where you are being paid to assassinate, kidnap a person, steal items, technology, information, etc in that line of work since KDF races aren't big on exploreing (Possibly something when you unlock Marauding DOFF Tiers that it unlocks new content off of that).
This actually came up internally a while ago when I was trying to identify appropriate sectors for bridge officer and duty officer recruitment by species.
The Gorn sector(s) are to the south and southwest of the existent Klingon area, which itself actually represents only part of the current Klingon Empire.
The Orion sector was originally in what is now Federation territory, i.e., the Orion Sector. The new world is (drawing this from memory, so may be misremembering it) but is located in the farthest-to-the-right sector in the game in the Klingon area.
The Nausicaans are currently considered to be primarily a nomadic species for most intents and purposes.
On the Federation side, other than Andoria and Vulcan, most of the major races' homeworlds are not in sectors currently described in the game; this includes Betazoids and Ferengi at least.
This actually came up internally a while ago when I was trying to identify appropriate sectors for bridge officer and duty officer recruitment by species.
The Gorn sector(s) are to the south and southwest of the existent Klingon area, which itself actually represents only part of the current Klingon Empire.
The Orion sector was originally in what is now Federation territory, i.e., the Orion Sector. The new world is (drawing this from memory, so may be misremembering it) but is located in the farthest-to-the-right sector in the game in the Klingon area.
The Nausicaans are currently considered to be primarily a nomadic species for most intents and purposes.
On the Federation side, other than Andoria and Vulcan, most of the major races' homeworlds are not in sectors currently described in the game; this includes Betazoids and Ferengi at least.
Wait... if the Gorn homeworld is "southwest" of the Klingon Empire why do we encounter them in game in the areas they once controlled - sectors that are north and northeast of the empire?
So the Gorn had territory on the southwest and northeast sides of the Empire but not the stuff in between?
One big issue I've heard over these podcasts that puts doubt in my mind a lot of times is I'm a huge huge fan of Star Trek. You have this person or persons who are developing things for the game and they just say oh yea I just saw this one episode for the first time and I am like ok now i've watched that episode maybe 100 times over and you are suppossed to be more of an expert than I am about this stuff. Which brings me to believe when the approval from CBS comes along for something that the person from CBS is just as clueless when discussing these things. I know that a lot of the problems currently can be explained in the tank without any air Cryptic was put into to make this game but it just seems that they either need to hire or start taking some direct suggestions to heart from some of us that have seen almost every episode and movie 100 times over from the franchise. As well this system that is always subject to change neglects the income of the non MMO or gamer that enjoys paying for Star Trek. Best business plan PW and Cryptic can go for with their goals is not one of a super taxation of the C-Store to the player base but one that gathers all fans either gamers or non gamers into it as one customer base. I'm sure that if Cryptic and PW start digging deep on their tech and pioneer something that can bridge gaps between MMO, TV, and Movie fans that all this C-Store stuff will not be necessary. Heck it could be something simple like a pay per view kind of deal of your favorite STO fleet or group doing a STF or fleet action or something. Best business plan would be one that targets every Star Trek fan but at same time does not **** them off every time theres a new major change.
Wait... if the Gorn homeworld is "southwest" of the Klingon Empire why do we encounter them in game in the areas they once controlled - sectors that are north and northeast of the empire?
So the Gorn had territory on the southwest and northeast sides of the Empire but not the stuff in between?
Totally scratching my head here.
I think the current map is confusing anyway.
Think about it in another direction:
We have Gamma Orionis wher Cestus 3 is situated
This is supposed to be a planet that borders Gorn and Federation space and also Klingon space when we gy by Star Trek 2 and Kirk's comment "we're the only ship in the Quadrant" meaning it's in Beta not Alpha.
I think the current "map" only makes sense when there are "levels" of sector blocks, meaning one sector block is not a "high" as the galaxy.
As a result the Gorn could control and are southwest of the Klingons and also have a sector block "above" of "below" the Klingons that extends into Federation space.
At least that's a way that would make sense to me.
One big issue I've heard over these podcasts that puts doubt in my mind a lot of times is I'm a huge huge fan of Star Trek. You have this person or persons who are developing things for the game and they just say oh yea I just saw this one episode for the first time and I am like ok now i've watched that episode maybe 100 times over ...
Yeah, I've noticed that a time or two myself. Which leads to...
We have Gamma Orionis wher Cestus 3 is situated
This is supposed to be a planet that borders Gorn and Federation space and also Klingon space when we gy by Star Trek 2 and Kirk's comment "we're the only ship in the Quadrant" meaning it's in Beta not Alpha.
What the devs suggest (SW of the Klingon Empire) would be near Eta Eridani block which puts if not in then very near the Alpha quadrant and also near DS9 despite it being explicitly stated in one DS9 episode that Cetus III was on the opposite side of the Federation from them (which would put it near the Psi Velorum / Pi Canis blocks)... Oops.
OK, OK... so they're game developers not Trekkies. :rolleyes:
Hello, I've been experimenting with the map a little.
The result is somewhat hideous but I tried to make sense out of the available map as well as the Star Trek map I linke earlier in this thread.
I enlarged all three main factions and also moved Gamma Orionis a but and added Gorn and Tholian space.
Gamma Orionis (containing Cestus) now borders both Federation and Gorn space so it now fits the dispute from "Arena".
Tholian space is also close to Gorn territory (the Tholian slave master in "In a Mirror Darkly" was a Gorn) and somewhat close to the Federation to reflect the problems those two powers have had.
You will note I added the missing sector block between Sirius and Alpha Trianguli which contains Betazed and I also added something entirely new: contested systems on the right side of the map.
Those are sectors held by none and there are starting points for all three factions in that area (their "bases", which can't be taken from them) so they can go out and conquer them.
In front of each "base" is their "front yard" and there is another sector "in the middle" between them (that's why there are these strange arrows from the Klingon and Romulan end into it which will allow a three-way confrontation.
Expanding the sectors for the KDF, to add new social zones, places to explore and conquer always a good idea. Would be interesting to see where the Orions have their new homeworld. Nausicaa would be an interesting place as well. My Gorn would like to see the Gorn homeworld. Enlarge the sectors, space is three dimensional after all.
What about making the Ferengi homeworld a multifaction social zone. Get a Rules of Aquistion trophy accolade for trivia, another for taking a tour of the city.
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The Orions on the KDF side actually left it and settled in Klingon space.
So if there is some kind of homeworld it would be the homeworld of the Synicate not the Orions in general.
In case of the Gorn, the thing with the three homeworlds comes from Star Fleet Battles.
Since that is a tiny Trek-related universe seperate fron anything else we'd probably have to use material from Pocket books as a basis so there is only one Gorn homeworld.
I also agree there should be a sector with the Lethian Homeworld.
I also think there should be a three vertical sector block that connects the Hiromi Sector Block to the Psi Velorum Sector block. This area could be set up similar to the Eta Edrani Sector block, but it would eventually support KDF vs. RSE PvP. It could also have a host of missions relating the Klingon invasion of the RSE.
Besides the game needs open but empty unclaimed sector blocks around most of the known and charted areas to represetn the size of space.
Fill them with rnadom or known worlds that offer rnadomly generated missions as you travel past ehm in space add in the same as roaming random space contacts and basically just try to make it fun.
Also I think that cloaking should be possibl ein warp travel (if technobabbly supported)
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http://www.geekstir.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/trekmap2.jpg
given the odd shape of various things (like Federation space both left and right of Klingon space) it seems the 3d aspect of space makes a traditional map less than complete.
Our galaxy is more or less a disk and seperated into "sectors" in STO.
But the question is whether on such sector "cube" has a sidelength that corresponds to the height of out galaxy or not.
In any case...wasn't there a thread somewhere about some proposed additonal sectors along with a map in the depths of this forum?
I seem to remember as much.
Something mentioned in several places were the Kinshaya
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Kinshaya
even in the recent Pocket Books.
They could be an enemy on the side opposite of the Klingon Federation space and would probably make a far better and credible enemy than the space-demons.
Also, I think the Gorn homeworld is coming as part of the Borg ground invasions, isn't it? I keep hearing talk from different sources that the Gorn will be the target species of the assimilation attempt. If so that would be cool. If the assimilated Undine wasn't cool enough - can you imagine what several 2-metre tall Gorn drones would be like?! UBER-OWNAGE.
Were there any races (aside from the major ones stated in the timeline) that the KDF have subjecated for otherwise "acquired"? Perhaps a future FE series or faction-specific mission may focus on a race who end up falling under the Klingon flag? Just a suggestion. Would be cool.
Gorn, Lethian, or any other KDF species the Devs finally decide to add.
1. First additional idea is its a given federation only players are a huge ratio over people who even have one KDF character at LG so ker'rat being an example of how just needing more and more federation players showing up wins it out. So technically there would need to be some kind of balance which would more than likely involve (unless someone has a better idea) a pre-invasion/attack mission the fed side has to do that limits the amount of players on the defense or invasion force of the federation where they would have to fight a npc blockade or something in a given time limit. One big starter one would be trying to retake the space for the Orion Homeworld (possibly each time it is taken there maybe something left well hidden that the KDF needs/wants )
2. Expanding these Borg Red Alerts into something along the lines of other enemy factions like Undine, Romulans, Remans, Dominion, etc (Seems borg are only thing that get any spotlight).
3. Semi part of suggestion 2 is making a new type of STF that cannot really be solo played but is doable with 2+ players against other enemy factions but can be done with just 2 people if need be.
4. This suggestion I'd think would be a KDF specific type of mission that goes along with the conquest attempted in wrath of khan where Klingons seek weapons of ultimate power. This would be a type of mission to get the actual Klingon feel for like a mission that would take great skill to accomplish and have *actual bragging rights* as put by the Executive Producer Emergency Hologram
5. Last thing is our empire defenses I think need to be revamped into more of defending more specific things in them instead of just attacking random floating enemies. As well being able to do these non borg Empire Defenses at LG as well as like in Pi Canis Sorties the ships we fight to have some intense action a Typhoon, Oracle, and Hermes class ships are junk ships no one in the game event flies these things the only one we ever can fight that has any ooooh ahhhh saucer seperation then 2 seconds later destroyed. I believe we need some hidden defiant retrofits, multi vectors, dreadnoughts, excelsiors, and 2 top end sci ships. If this is too much work to get rolling which i'm not employee so it may be one thing I would recommend is give us a ground/away team version of these too that might be easier to roll out or even for a repeatable in another sector.
6. My never ending suggestion/plea revamp/fix/polish/or even kill and replace with a working exploration system for KDF federation one at best is bad and KDF version is just utter trash it was like whoever worked on them purposely was put there to TRIBBLE it up and make customers mad.
Thats my 2 cents of where I want to see the KDF going...
I had to add one other thing I think instead of it being exploration it should be mostly Nausicaan themed since they are Pirates for Hire that it be more in that line where you are being paid to assassinate, kidnap a person, steal items, technology, information, etc in that line of work since KDF races aren't big on exploreing (Possibly something when you unlock Marauding DOFF Tiers that it unlocks new content off of that).
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showpost.php?p=3686764&postcount=7
Wait... if the Gorn homeworld is "southwest" of the Klingon Empire why do we encounter them in game in the areas they once controlled - sectors that are north and northeast of the empire?
So the Gorn had territory on the southwest and northeast sides of the Empire but not the stuff in between?
Totally scratching my head here.
I think the current map is confusing anyway.
Think about it in another direction:
We have Gamma Orionis wher Cestus 3 is situated
This is supposed to be a planet that borders Gorn and Federation space and also Klingon space when we gy by Star Trek 2 and Kirk's comment "we're the only ship in the Quadrant" meaning it's in Beta not Alpha.
I think the current "map" only makes sense when there are "levels" of sector blocks, meaning one sector block is not a "high" as the galaxy.
As a result the Gorn could control and are southwest of the Klingons and also have a sector block "above" of "below" the Klingons that extends into Federation space.
At least that's a way that would make sense to me.
Yeah, I've noticed that a time or two myself. Which leads to...
What the devs suggest (SW of the Klingon Empire) would be near Eta Eridani block which puts if not in then very near the Alpha quadrant and also near DS9 despite it being explicitly stated in one DS9 episode that Cetus III was on the opposite side of the Federation from them (which would put it near the Psi Velorum / Pi Canis blocks)... Oops.
OK, OK... so they're game developers not Trekkies. :rolleyes:
The result is somewhat hideous but I tried to make sense out of the available map as well as the Star Trek map I linke earlier in this thread.
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/8164/myproposalingamegalaxym.png
I enlarged all three main factions and also moved Gamma Orionis a but and added Gorn and Tholian space.
Gamma Orionis (containing Cestus) now borders both Federation and Gorn space so it now fits the dispute from "Arena".
Tholian space is also close to Gorn territory (the Tholian slave master in "In a Mirror Darkly" was a Gorn) and somewhat close to the Federation to reflect the problems those two powers have had.
You will note I added the missing sector block between Sirius and Alpha Trianguli which contains Betazed and I also added something entirely new: contested systems on the right side of the map.
Those are sectors held by none and there are starting points for all three factions in that area (their "bases", which can't be taken from them) so they can go out and conquer them.
In front of each "base" is their "front yard" and there is another sector "in the middle" between them (that's why there are these strange arrows from the Klingon and Romulan end into it which will allow a three-way confrontation.
What about making the Ferengi homeworld a multifaction social zone. Get a Rules of Aquistion trophy accolade for trivia, another for taking a tour of the city.
+1 agreement! That Ty'gkor is missing is a crying shame.