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as a player with 3 Fed VA's @ ambassador, and 2 Klingon Lt Gen's, I'm sick of seeing the devs give the Feds the vast majority of all the new ships/consoles. The Feds have a plethora of missions to run up to and beyond VA, while the Klingons have the sorties and and a handful of missions to re-run to get to Lt. Gen. How many new ships must the Feds get before the Klingons start to get some more options. And now I hear that new content is being put off until after free to play releases... as a player who pays monthly to play, I feel like my money is going to waste waiting for some content and/or ships.
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Here's some examples:
Marauding is the KDF equivelent and it comes with the doff system. A Marauder (which I presume is the T4 version) will be able to fly into Sirius.
As for content, I too am concerned about KDF content. However, we just have to wait and see what KDF exclusive stuff comes within the next 6 months.
F2P is the game's relauch so any new stuff will most likely be put on there. Its the biggest thing thats happened to this game since launch and the KDF are being bumped to Commander level so that their currently existing content (however few of it) is enough to get a good enough path from 21 to 51.
- Bops and the many derivatives that just differ in size.
- the d7 hull and the derivate k'tinga
- Vorcha
- Neghvar in its 3 incarnations (standard s9, emperors flagship, tng AGT)
The rest of the klingon arsenal is either game based, games which cryptic has no rights to or comes from novels or fan works.
That is not exactly much to work on, unlike the federation who gets loads and loads of ships and cryptic basically just has to bring em in instead of designing new ones.
Heck, the Romulan star empire has Scout ships and the D'deridex, and as of nemesis the norexan. The scimitar is actually reman and was unique and thus should not even be mentioned....
The Cardassians have 3 ships. Galors. Keldons and hidekis.
You see, the fed side simply gets more because there is more readily available and because cryptic is to short on manpower in the respective field to come up with new ships for the klingons and not to mention the non fed factions at any fast rate.
+ its difficult designing klingon ships that do not look derivative of the those already there.
btw. here is a Captain Logan tweetleak, that got no attention at all somehow
https://picasaweb.google.com/107690288451082557730/StarTrekOnlineArtwork#5655469809620763842
BOOM IN YOUR FACE!
and seriously if you don't know that ship, then shame on you!
http://johneaves.wordpress.com/2009/03/18/88/
http://johneaves.wordpress.com/2009/03/18/96/
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If you think that some Fed C-Store ships make FED players any less ****ed about the lack of content in the last... half of the year (and more)... sorry but stop fooling yourself.
by now we are all pi$$ed...
please everyone stop whining about those 2 year old FED missions, nobody who is here since launch really cares about those anymore.
Foundry is where it's at for people that want Story-Missions
STF's + PvP is where it's at for people that want the usual MMO Endgame ...and yepp Endgame sux... for Everyone. But for the KDF even a little more, because they have less players to team with and more time they have to sit in the queue's.
But i agree that the Featured Episodes were way to Federation -ish to be considered TRUE Klingon Content.
It's better to have them than not (otherwise KDF would not get the rewards)
But i wouldn't mind if one of the next Feature Series was a pure Klingon themed one, so that the Fed Players feel totally out of place for once...
I tried Klingon play for a few days after I first unlocked it but I quickly became bored and went back to Fed play. I honestly don't know why they even added the Klingon play if it was going to be so weak. The best part about it is the ability to mail bat'leths to yourself and use them on the Fed side, IMO. That way, you're not stuck with the Lirpa as your only melee weapon.
Welcome to the KDF.
I think that people expect what was promised.
I have a feeling that your experience goes a long way towards explaining the supposed 18% population of KDF players more than interest from the show. Klingons have been deeply influential on the series from the very first season of TOS. And beyond that, players love an ugly underdog ("For the Horde!")!
I have always thought this...
For the longest time, the excuse for lack of deveolping additional Klingon content was a lack of Klingon players, but time and time again I've seen posts like this..."I tried Klingon, but it was too boring, too much of a grind, so I went back to Fed"
If you make, they will come...
And I still believe that, too.
Only the Klingons have been a constant prescence in Star Trek and have never failed to play the villian well and offer Star Fleet a run for thier money, so to speak.
The 18% excuse has gotten beyond old to me as well.
It wouldn't be Star Trek if it was a show about bumpy foreheaded warriors who have a victory complex...that would actually be called Dr. Phil at that point....just sayin
The running joke of it is that while the shows focused on the Feds, or more precisely on humans (all leads were humans) the games never really have.
We've got games like the "Armada" and "Starfleet Command" series and "Birth of the Federation" that have given the Klingons and in fact many other races as much as the Feds got and even others like "Klingon Academy" and...umm well "Klingon" that had little to no involvement of the Feds at all.
So it's pretty clear the rules of television don't apply because in case of TV you have to appeal to everyone from youngest to the oldest Trek fans and also have to pick up the odd housewife that has a crush for Harry Kim along the way.
Computer games have a somewhat different target "audience" so it's a different set of rules for a different market.
Example: as I mentioned all the leads were humans (Archer, Pike, Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway) so if we followed the rules of TV in a strict way we should only be allowed to make human characters (at least on the Federation side) because our character is the lead of the ship and the lead of our own stories.
But we don't.
And I have yet encounter someone who has complained that STO is not "trekish" or "earth-centered" enough because of this.
So it's a clear example that the rules of TV don't apply.
My question is: why should such a clear and "blatant" violation of the rules of TV be okay with the Feds but when it comes to the Klingons they should sudenly apply?
Bias? Convenience? Some odd form of terracentristic patriotism?
I'm not accusing you of any of these things mind you, this is not the proverbial pile of half-eaten gagh thrown at you.
I'm just trying to gauge what might motivate people to suddenly apply rules to the KDF that clearly don't apply to the Feds when it comes to computer games.
I also find it unlikely CBS stands in the way of telling a good story as long as it fits the Klingons and their allies otherwise "Klingon Academy" and "Klingon" would never have been made.:)
For example the much belegured phrase "Klingons don't take prisoners" This is incorrect and misunderstood. If a Klingon takes a prisoner it is to sell them. ..... as a slave.. because they are unworthy of a warriors death. Executing a prisonor to a Klingon is a recognition that the one taken was a worthy foe and deserves the honor of death at the hands of a warrior. (a warrior, not a civilian... a warrior)
Klingons are a passionate and very old culture. They had intersteller flight long before humans did. There cutlure was interfeared with by an invading off world enpire during a medival period in thier development which essentially froze cultural development for them. Thier world is resouse poor, and for the most part Qo'nos is an agrarian world. They became what they are to survive in a very hostile part of the galaxy.
The indeviduale Klingon like to test themselves against the Galaxy... While not above using overwhelming force they havea honor bound tendancy to not fight above the level of the dominant race of a worlfd they are trying to conquer. Not to mention rendering great swaths of a planet uninhabitable somewhat restricts its usefullness to the Empire. Many subject worlds of the empire have self rule and manage thier own affairs. Thier cultures are for the most part respected, Some of the more warlike are even allowed to serve within the KDF in a limited capacity. Only recently has the empire for the first time in its history permitten command of KDF ships by none Klingons. And permitted amalgamated allied ships into the KDF. Once Klingon honor concepts are understood.. and they are not hard to understand... There are small empires within the area of the quadrant controlled by the empire that are independent. The Empire have not conquered these small empires.. Why.. Easily answered.. as long as they do not activly attempt to conquer Imperial holding they became a fine way for KDF ships and crews to engage in live fire exercises with a respected foe without nessesarily enguaging in a full out intersteller war.
A Sci Fi author once speculated that the only thing we can be sure of about any possible alien race is, thay are Alien. Thier motivations will not be understood by us. Why they do things a certain way will not make sense to us. We see in the Klingon a reflection of humanity which is of course to be understood because humanity created the fictional Klingons from some of the more interesting aspects of Human nature. They are the "Noble Savage" but with technology and power that is not to be discounted or treated with contempt as the europeans that settled/invaded the new world have treated the indiginous natives of the america's. It doesn't surprise me to see players int he community with attitudes toward the Klingons that range from a sort of Psudo racisiom to outright contempt. Well, All I gotta say is those players are missing.. are not getting at all an important part of what "Trek" is all about.
Trek says in many ways.. not only is "We are not alone" but that we better have some respect for what is out there because if we do not we will die. We will be destroyed. It has been speculated that intersteller wart is not economically feasable. Umm, war being economicallt feasable has never stopped a war from happening.. wars are generally not fought for profit. theyare fought to control. They are fought for reasons of passion, or of faith or fear of the unknown and unknowable.. War is not a reasonable exercise. The Federation was founded in trek lore with that as a cardianl understanding. The Federation will not start a war, but starfleet stand ready to stop or end a war at any time.
Now, we have STO, a game set in the Trek universe. well, ya know... You feddies need the KDF faction
Fighting against the AI is all well and good but the real fun is fighting other players. Now thats the real deal. SO, a healthy KDF faction that is attractive to players with a Klingon mindset makes for a better game experience for everyone. Judge yourself by the quality of your foes. If all you ever fight is the weak then you are weak. you are weak because you have not tested your strength against strength.
And if something strong ever does come along... your an empty spot.
SO Horray the Klingons! The Trek universe needs em, and STO needs em.
Khemaraa sends
They have to have some manner of conquest going because if the empire stagnates as it did in the latter half of TNG and start of DS9, then parties will have too much time to enact their plots against eachother.
As for the other member races, aside from the Gorn wanting their worlds back, and the Nausicans probably being a little too happy to help them, the empire shouldn't have much to worry about.
Until the endless wars cease...
I believe there would be an interesting story to explore with such a conquest.
The IKS Gorkon novel sereis showed pretty well how this could be done.
In tjhat series the Empire has depleted a whole lot of its resources due do the Dominion War and sends ships into an sector that was probed and has shown lots of promise of resource-rich worlds that could be annexed.
So actual shows with good and modern sensor equipment are sent it explore worlds, map nebulae for explitable resources and see whether a planet with resources the Empire needs might also have...an already existing labour force to be employed in obtaining those resources.
Such a camplaing would something we have not yet seen in this game. And it would make sense.
A bit simplisitc, but it could go like this:
"With our forces engaged in huntung down the Undine, fighting a war with the Federation, trying to get a foothold on Romulan space need more resources to continue the fight.
Now that the Borg have entered the conflict in earnest we are losing ships faster than we can produce them.
We have prepared a small expeditionary force to explore southeast of our own Empire, far away from the prying eyes of Federation, the Romulans and also away from the corridor of incoming Borg ships.
What we find and claim there, none of our current enemies could take away from us.
We need additional supplies of tritanium for our ships' hulls, topaline for our life-support systems, dilithium for our engines.
Find it, secure it and conquer those worlds out there for the glory of the Empire!
Our main forces are needed ot the front lines, so what we send is all we can spare.
Use it wisely, don't squander it!"
A nice little campaign to bring new worlds under the heel of the Empire with some space battles and (since resources for the expeditionary forces are limited) some commando operations to weaken enemy defenses and perhaps also some diplomacy to forge alliances and possibly bring some worlds under protection from another enemy.
It would fit lore, it would fit the scenario without always involving the Federation.
And it would quite possibly be fun.
Im happy I couldnt have said it any better. This makes the job of making new Klingon ships Hard. They need approval, and have to stick to something that is Klingon, with out having other people say Hey that looks like me Klingon ship (from other trek games).
The hard part of the Fed side is that you have to make it look exactly like what we see in the shows...not to mention scale, they have to get creative with....very creative.
You mean like the time in DS9 Season 7 when the Klingons had to hold off the entire Dominion while the Federation and the Romulans were cowering at their starbases because of the Breen Energy Dampener?:D
I feel before new ships come to the Klingons they need to be a lot more missions. I want to level a Klingon, but it get borning doing the same mission over and over again. They need to give love to the Klingons in missions, ships basically everything. It is a shame that they leave one faction of the war without anything.
The love is comming just on back-order. Or so we have been told.
Unfortunately there is nothing but condensed missions and gameplay until they release it.
I am enjoying the new ships though, somewhat.
The cheap ones that break easily and never hold in place...
You're being far too kind. Used cat litter gets better treatment than the KDF ever did.
If our current state is being at war with the Federation, then brother, business is a-boomin. Virtually all fed pugs and a good number of fed fleets are easily enraged, use it to your advantage.
And if you ever need a demonstration on just how to cause a lot of pain and anguish without using "hax" come fly with me for a few matches.
And this is what I think of PvE