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Do we still get these when we rank up, or is dilithium the only way to get ships at rank up? If this is the case it's a dumb idea. We should still get the free ship token at rank up then need to spend dilithium to buy another ship from that rank or lower.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    I haven't found anything yet, nor have I gotten my character on Tribble past Lieutenant (yet), but from what I've heard in conversation with other players is that no, you will not receive a token for a new ship at each promotion - the only way to get a new ship is to grind out Dilithium and buy it.

    I don't know if a dev is going to read this, but even if not, if this is confirmed I would urge everyone to make a major issue out of this. I have a lifetime subscription, so it's not like Cryptic is going to lose $15 a month from me if I rage-quit, but I'll be honest, I will likely end up rage-uninstalling if there is no free ship token at promotions. That adds pointless grind to the game, and pretty much everyone I've talked to agrees that the LAST thing STO needs is more grind. KDF is too grindy by far - even on live, I have never gotten a KDF character past Lieutenant Commander. There just isn't enough PVE content outside of explorations and the "kill 10 Federation squadrons" missions, and I dislike the PVP in this game.

    Honestly, I think that giving Gold members a ship token at each rank would make going Gold much more appealing for your average player, which is what you should be looking for. To be bluntly honest, the current version of the F2P matrix does not impress me, and I see few advantages to having a subscription over not. This could provide the needed incentive to get those free players to drop 15 a month, at least for a while, and reel them into subscribing when otherwise they would feel no real motivation to pay.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    There will be no more ship tokens when you level.

    You will be buying your next tier ship using dilithium now.

    On Tribble now when you get to Lt. Com. it will cost you 70,000 dilithium to get your tier 2 ship.That amount is given to you when you talk to the admiral after leveling.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    ChrisWorth wrote:
    There will be no more ship tokens when you level.

    You will be buying your next tier ship using dilithium now.

    On Tribble now when you get to Lt. Com. it will cost you 70,000 dilithium to get your tier 2 ship.That amount is given to you when you talk to the admiral after leveling.

    Which is just like getting a free ship token. This begs the question: If they are giving you the equivalnet amount of dilithium to buy a ship, why not just leave the ship token thing as is?

    It's really stupid.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    ChrisWorth wrote:
    There will be no more ship tokens when you level.

    You will be buying your next tier ship using dilithium now.

    On Tribble now when you get to Lt. Com. it will cost you 70,000 dilithium to get your tier 2 ship.That amount is given to you when you talk to the admiral after leveling.

    That's all fine and dandy. But when you hit Commander, they give you 80,000 dilithium, and the ships at that level cost.... 100,000. So I cannot buy a Commander level ship at Commander. Great.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Cinos wrote: »
    That's all fine and dandy. But when you hit Commander, they give you 80,000 dilithium, and the ships at that level cost.... 100,000. So I cannot buy a Commander level ship at Commander. Great.

    and there is no one telling you where to get the dam dilithium to get a new ship, wich is pretty much required to continue your lvling and grinding etc.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Yes, I think bring back the Tokens for Subscribers so they get token + Dilithium, and Boost the amount of dilithium so f2pers can get their ship... Honestly i liked the old economy... What dev thought that 12-16 currencies was to many never played WoW to lvl 85... Over 20 currencies at least, and u dont see them whining about it!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    so far i got dilithium thrue boff system and thrue the daily repair satelite mission
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Currency consolidation is nice, but one of the appealing things about the ship token was that it was much more Trek-ish to be "issued" a standard ship at each tier, with standard gear. We're supposed to be in STARFLEET, people; do you think they made Picard pay cash out of pocket for the Stargazer?

    Obviously extra ships have to be paid for in some way, so making you buy other ones you want for dilithium is needed. But they can't spot us ONE free standard ship at each tier? One free ship plus a somewhat reduced bonus of dilithium to spend as we please would be more appealing and make a lot more sense.

    Since you can never sell ships anyway, there isn't any issue with gold farmers just getting them to cash out. I can't actually see how it was a good or needed change to take away the ship token, other than someone just decided it "needed" to be done.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    I was under the impression, from the devs words, that we get dilithium through normal progression through the game. I am Lt 6 now and haven't received any dilithium. I shouldn't be surprised Cryptic has once again changed their minds on how things are done after saying one thing.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    To be fair, Sand, you're playing on a testing server. Nothing's definitive yet, and your rights to be ****ed off are somewhat lessened. Sand does have a point, though, in that dilithium should be more prominent in regular game progression.

    Dilithium does seem to be accessible via the calendar dailies and the other daily missions (i.e. Satellite Repair in the Devidian arc), but I'm rather hoping there will be easier ways to gain dilithium when the final build goes live.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Dilithium will be the new emblems. you will need a certain amount to get a new ship. In other words, it will take u years to get that many.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    They said through normal progression. I am somewhat ok if it isn't, just say something.

    According to an ingame NPC at the center of ESD, the only ways to get dilithium is: PvP, Exploration, and dailies. Which is just super since I don't like to do any of those.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    PvP? Really?

    I'm sure there's a small portion of the game which enjoys the exploration missions, but I'm guessing that the majority of the player base does not. Dailies, sure, that's fine. Why not have them as rewards from replaying all missions, though, at a scaling rate? Stranded in space, oh, that's only 80 dilithium. The final Undine mission chain, that's 1,200 each, that sort of thing. Also have it as a base reward for fleet actions. If PvPers can earn dilithium doing what they enjoy in the game, why can't the other people playing the game?

    Mission replays and fleet actions should reward dilithium.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Dilithium will be the new emblems. you will need a certain amount to get a new ship. In other words, it will take u years to get that many.

    Well, Im fine with that per se, but why were the prices on ships that previously cost credits also changed to delithium?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Well, the exploration bit isn't in apparently. Did Delta Volanis a couple of times and no Dilithium for me. Does anyone still sell gear for ECs?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Lockup wrote: »
    Well, the exploration bit isn't in apparently. Did Delta Volanis a couple of times and no Dilithium for me. Does anyone still sell gear for ECs?

    Doesn't look like PvP is getting it either. I did one earlier, my side won, and I didn't get any dilithium. Maybe because it was Fed vs Fed? Shouldn't but maybe.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Hmm.

    I think Cryptic goofed on this one then. There's no reliable way to get Dilithium in game, and you need it to purchase higher level ships.

    Cryptic, fix this before all your testers leave, k, thx.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    To be honest, I think the new currency system is a lot more complicated than the old system.

    Also, I think the lack of access to dilithium is actually a test by the devs to see how much "lack of access" they can get away with without causing a riot. They've pretty much already said that dilithium and cryptic points will be interchangable.... meaning in game means of finding dilithium will be harder. It is an effort to make it seem like buying dilithium through the c-store is an attractive alternative.

    AND that makes every single ship that was obtainable in game.... obtainable through the c-store :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Wow, no more free ship tokens when you Rank up? This game is just getting worse and worse with F2P. Star Grind Online? No thanks, thank goodness im a VA 1 already and dont have to put up with with this TRIBBLE.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Well, as far as how much lack of access they can get away with... I'm Cdr 3 right now, and stopped doing missions because I'm aggravated that I'm still in a LtC ship. I'm still messing with Doff stuff, but there's going to be alot of things which won't be adequately tested if this isn't fixed quickly. then, the snowball effect... things won't get adequately tested, then things which weren't adequately tested will go live, then people just checking out STO now that it's F2P see that it's a bug ridden mess, and Cryptic loses potential customers...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Havesum wrote:
    Well, as far as how much lack of access they can get away with... I'm Cdr 3 right now, and stopped doing missions because I'm aggravated that I'm still in a LtC ship. I'm still messing with Doff stuff, but there's going to be alot of things which won't be adequately tested if this isn't fixed quickly. then, the snowball effect... things won't get adequately tested, then things which weren't adequately tested will go live, then people just checking out STO now that it's F2P see that it's a bug ridden mess, and Cryptic loses potential customers...

    Apparently this is common now, I've seen higher level players STILL in Mirandas and angry all the way. This is such a silly change thats only going to upset people.

    Alot of people were upset enough it took getting to Lt Cmdr to get a new ship, now unless you grind you cant get a new ship till near the end game? lol no thanks, This has to change.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    I think someone at Cryptic just goofed and didn't pay attention to what the tier costs were pegged at. When I promoted at LT COM I got 70,000 dilithium. I also picked up a few bits of dilitium doing the lore quests at SFA. I think where the goof occurred is that Quinn only coughs up 80,000 dilithium when you make COM but the ship store Tier 3 ships cost 100,000.

    So either reprice the ships, or have Quinn kick up some extra benjamins. (Sisko's?)

    Either way, needs to happen Monday or people are gonna quit p-laying until it gets sorted out. Tier 2 ships can only take you so far.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Havesum wrote:
    Well, as far as how much lack of access they can get away with... I'm Cdr 3 right now, and stopped doing missions because I'm aggravated that I'm still in a LtC ship. I'm still messing with Doff stuff, but there's going to be alot of things which won't be adequately tested if this isn't fixed quickly. then, the snowball effect... things won't get adequately tested, then things which weren't adequately tested will go live, then people just checking out STO now that it's F2P see that it's a bug ridden mess, and Cryptic loses potential customers...
    This is especially annoying since they're taunting us with all these "unique" and "unattainable anywhere else" special rewards for testing. If they want us to spend weeks leveling up a toon from zero in order to get the playtesting done, then they need to make it easy, or at the very least tolerable. I was NEVER held back by poverty and inability to afford level appropriate gear on any of my other captains when I started this game. I definitely won't be testing much longer if this is what I have to look forward to. And if this is what live is going to be like, I won't be playing there either.

    And for people already ranking up characters; they not only need to fix this and put in more sources, and bigger rank up amounts of DL, but they also need to give a one-time DL bonus to ALL toons on the system that are above LT1, to make up for the complete lack of dilithium up to whatever rank they're at now.
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