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War not going well for the Empire ;(

SystemSystem Member, NoReporting Posts: 178,019 Arc User
edited August 2011 in Klingon Discussion
Well fellas,

I have to say, I don't see this war as a winner. Honor and all that I think will have to give way to reality, and that reality is that while the Empire has the greatest and strongest warriors, it appears that we have... Few players, and no content.

We wont get any content because we don't have any players, an evil little catch 22. Especially since season 4 turned out to have nothing to change that. Does anyone see that changing soon?

Maybe we should let this war drop and just let the devs make all or most of the content cross faction, with cross faction teaming and the usual stuff. Pvp as it is, is just instances anyway with no meaning or consequences anyway - leave it as it is but let us access all the content as allies of the federation.

Yeah it kind of sucks, but I don't see the devs doing anything better anytime soon...

What do you guys think?
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    I think we've done all we could to persuade them the importance of the faction(IE: by so many of us leaving and only playing Fed). Nothing else is going to change their directive.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Well part of the problem is that player clammor for new content and honestly playing klingon would be alot of new content to play and add replayability but very few people do because leveling klingons is already an evil grind because they have no content.

    In the end i think that neglecting klingon content is like a minor issue that will compound itself over time and end up being a really huge problem in the future. Considering that within the next 6 months you will have another mmo released involving another sci-fi franchise cryptic's focus on feeding the feds will be the the descision that killed sto.

    Players also bear some responsibility in this as well with so many asking/demanding minor cosmectic changes take cryptic focus away from key gameplay shortcommings. we do tend to ask for rather frivilous things to feed our hunger for content instead of getting together and asking for things that benefit all players and both factions like more stf's and more fe's.

    The next 6-8 months will determine if we have anything to complain about though looking ahead we may not have this game at all if things keep going the way they have.

    The best advice i can give cryptic for the future is this: Cancel anything your working on that is not a STF or FE you really need to stop spending critical man hours on 1 dimensional upgrades and get the content to a point where if i sat down in front of my pc and decided to play through all FE's and STF's it would take months you really need to get this done TICK TOCK.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    I hope Cryptic will face the hard reality of competition when the other game is released and I hope that the decision to neglect the KDF in favour of C-Store, Fed and cosmetic stuff will come back to haunt them full strength. The time is running out for Cryptic.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    There's not much competition really, aside that both games share the genre of science fiction, although you could argue that sw is much more science fantasy but whatever that's just semantics.

    Swtor is mostly a ground game, the space combat will be fairly limited to little more then prescripted "rail shooter" scenarios until they can overhaul it with a much more robust system, whenever they can spare the resources for that...probably the first expansion, JTL2 in a sense.

    The foundry can make up for the lack thereof of content a bit, but its still limited in its storytelling aspects a bit, cut scene generator etc, if we were to setup some coopted writing teams with some foundry builders then we could maybe crankout missions in a much more fluid and connected manner but the problem there is shoehorning all the net ideas into the constraints of the foundryl whenever thts back online.

    Id. Say more fleet actions and story episodes, and revert tthe pvp kill counts and xp to their launch values.

    Give some story to the redspace, which is what they've wanted since day 1 and have hardly received.

    I leveled this character to bg off of pvp back in feb/mar 10, after maxing my first fed.

    Back then it was very viable because the killcounts were low, the xp rewrd decent (125 to 200 I think) and full queues on both sides because it was almost as fast as grinding dse's.

    Now the main methods are the few missions, blitzing the foundry, the featured episodes to infinity, the exploration clusters, and slow pvp queues.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Have we lost territory? no
    Have we gained a foothold into other regions of space? yes
    Do we raid more freighters/resources than starfleet? we have the only official raid mission, so yes
    Have we made direct strike into the heart of their territory? there is a mission to attack the shipyards on mars

    So how are we losing? The feds have prettier locations and more sector space, but they're spread out. They try diplomacy first before attacking. By the time they fully throw themselves into the same scale of warfare as during the dominion war, we will have hundreds of their systems conquered.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    salsadoom wrote: »
    Well fellas,

    I have to say, I don't see this war as a winner. Honor and all that I think will have to give way to reality, and that reality is that while the Empire has the greatest and strongest warriors, it appears that we have... Few players, and no content.

    We wont get any content because we don't have any players, an evil little catch 22. Especially since season 4 turned out to have nothing to change that. Does anyone see that changing soon?

    Maybe we should let this war drop and just let the devs make all or most of the content cross faction, with cross faction teaming and the usual stuff. Pvp as it is, is just instances anyway with no meaning or consequences anyway - leave it as it is but let us access all the content as allies of the federation.

    Yeah it kind of sucks, but I don't see the devs doing anything better anytime soon...

    What do you guys think?

    Well, as a person who's had the discussion of faction unification a few times let me tell you the usual answers I get against the idea of faction merging.

    1. People paid for a two faction game. People will be even more ****ed than they are now if they lose that.

    2. KDF players have about as much as the Federation had at start, in terms of ships and content. Someone choosing to play the KDF can do it and level reasonably well by repeating sorties, the three featured episodes, exploration, defense of the Empire and the 5 Klingon exclusive mission chains currently in game.

    3. Many Federation and a couple of KDF missions would have to be retooled significantly if the factions merged, this could end up being as much work as producing 3 to 5 Klingon exclusive missions, and if you're going to put that much work into it anyway...

    4. Shared STF's do not require the merging of factions.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    mondo80 wrote: »
    Have we lost territory? no
    Have we gained a foothold into other regions of space? yes
    Do we raid more freighters/resources than starfleet? we have the only official raid mission, so yes
    Have we made direct strike into the heart of their territory? there is a mission to attack the shipyards on mars

    So how are we losing? The feds have prettier locations and more sector space, but they're spread out. They try diplomacy first before attacking. By the time they fully throw themselves into the same scale of warfare as during the dominion war, we will have hundreds of their systems conquered.

    Speaking of which. Aside from Pi Canis has any warrior been able to raid a single colony or convoy? Tuesday? Must be as I have swept each and every new sector looking for one of these open pvp raid scenarios.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    It does look bleak for the KDF. I do think the lack of content for the KFD is going to have some serious blow back on the future of this game.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Jermbot wrote: »
    Well, as a person who's had the discussion of faction unification a few times let me tell you the usual answers I get against the idea of faction merging.

    1. People paid for a two faction game. People will be even more ****ed than they are now if they lose that.

    2. KDF players have about as much as the Federation had at start, in terms of ships and content. Someone choosing to play the KDF can do it and level reasonably well by repeating sorties, the three featured episodes, exploration, defense of the Empire and the 5 Klingon exclusive mission chains currently in game.

    3. Many Federation and a couple of KDF missions would have to be retooled significantly if the factions merged, this could end up being as much work as producing 3 to 5 Klingon exclusive missions, and if you're going to put that much work into it anyway...

    4. Shared STF's do not require the merging of factions.

    to counteract your number 2 point i must say that the federation faction had more than 8 missions at launch. point 1,3, and 4 are completely valid though. also, i think the ship count is right, I also do know that the federation had more uniform options at launch then KDF does now. again, 1 3 and 4 are valid points, number 2 is incorrect however.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    mondo80 wrote: »
    Have we lost territory? no
    Have we gained a foothold into other regions of space? yes
    Do we raid more freighters/resources than starfleet? we have the only official raid mission, so yes
    Have we made direct strike into the heart of their territory? there is a mission to attack the shipyards on mars

    So how are we losing? The feds have prettier locations and more sector space, but they're spread out. They try diplomacy first before attacking. By the time they fully throw themselves into the same scale of warfare as during the dominion war, we will have hundreds of their systems conquered.

    It isn't about that. It is about numbers and frankly the empire doesn't have that. Speaking as a player of both factions So in a sense the KDF is more than stretched than Starfleet. They won't add more content exclusive to the Klingons to really they help them out. Hopefully Perfect world can fix that.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    I think the KDF has it's back against the wall. We have been pushed back more then once, while the devs told us it would be only a minor set back and we would get nwe stuff soon. Then they gave the Federation new stuff and left us out entirely.

    Cryptic gave up on the KDF long ago and just forgot to tell us :mad:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Check out my post, it kinda has a similar theme to this post.:D

    Post #1
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    BTW folks I think before anyoine claims federation favortism it's worth noteing that since launch the federation has only gotten 3 faction exclusive missions (that's if you count the remastered episodes as new content, I imagine most would but I'm sure someone out there wouldn't;) )

    just something to step back and consider.

    the KDF is getting content it's just slow going.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Not really an arguement when the other side has 90 % more actual content then the other.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    12guageshotgun wrote:
    to counteract your number 2 point i must say that the federation faction had more than 8 missions at launch. point 1,3, and 4 are completely valid though. also, i think the ship count is right, I also do know that the federation had more uniform options at launch then KDF does now. again, 1 3 and 4 are valid points, number 2 is incorrect however.

    KDF players have more than 8 missions now. We can quibble over whether Featured Episodes should count as "KDF content" later, but for the discussion of scrapping the faction, I think we can come to the agreement that a Klingon commander today has more missions to level with than a Federation commander at launch?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Jermbot wrote: »
    KDF players have more than 8 missions now. We can quibble over whether Featured Episodes should count as "KDF content" later, but for the discussion of scrapping the faction, I think we can come to the agreement that a Klingon commander today has more missions to level with than a Federation commander at launch?

    actually I'd disagree with that, the federation's conent is, MOSTLY unchanged from launch, the number of episodes avaliable to the federation has not changed much since launch not that it needs to, Federation players can level to admiral reasonably easily without grinding the same set of repeatables.

    the KDF definatly needs more work, but anyone who claims the KDF has been ignored while attention has been lavished on the federation is ignoreing the facts. the bulk of the new content of late has been featured episodes that are shared.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    BrianDavion wrote: »
    actually I'd disagree with that, the federation's conent is, MOSTLY unchanged from launch, the number of episodes avaliable to the federation has not changed much since launch not that it needs to, Federation players can level to admiral reasonably easily without grinding the same set of repeatables.

    the KDF definatly needs more work, but anyone who claims the KDF has been ignored while attention has been lavished on the federation is ignoreing the facts. the bulk of the new content of late has been featured episodes that are shared.

    Perhaps my numbers are mistaken. To be perfectly honest, I'm working mostly off of impressions I have of leveling my first Federation character way back during launch, failing to level my first Klingon character way back during launch, and the current Federation and Klingon characters I'm leveling. It feels like there is as much for my current Klingon to do as there was for my first Starfleet captain.

    The point here is the same, I could see people making the argument to scrap the Klingon faction after launch. Why, when it's finally getting to the point where leveling a Klingon is bearable, would you want the faction scrapped?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    "They've got us surrounded again, the poor *******s"-Creighton W. Abrams, Jr 1943
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Never surrender! While there is breath left in klingon lungs, and klingon hearts still beat let them have the blade in their hands. Death before dishonor!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    BearClaw75 wrote:
    "They've got us surrounded again, the poor *******s"-Creighton W. Abrams, Jr 1943

    “Sir, we're surrounded!”
    “Excellent. We can attack in any direction!”

    :p
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    What did you expect? Gene Roddenberry is on the side of the Federation.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    salsadoom wrote: »
    Especially since season 4 turned out to have nothing to change that.

    To be fair, season 4 is only just beginning and it will last until the day that season 5 launches ;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Dan_Trainor wrote:
    To be fair, season 4 is only just beginning and it will last until the day that season 5 launches ;)
    Another excuse. Or if we change that, "please wait, we are working on it". Where did we hear that before?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Still won't fix the population numbers.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Nu-NRG wrote:
    Another excuse. Or if we change that, "please wait, we are working on it". Where did we hear that before?

    Why would I be making excuses for Cryptic? It's merely a statement of fact, and not at all represented by the change you made.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    The Klingon Faction was meant as a solely PVP Faction, That was said at the beginning. That is why the Klingon's start at Lt. 5 instead of doing a startup as a Klink. So people who bought this game thinking two faction's, get over it. They've done more than they had to for the Klingon side, sorry it isn't enough. And on top of adding more to the game as a whole they are working on more factions and some more content as well, so be patient.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    soldieroffaith wrote: »
    The Klingon Faction was meant as a solely PVP Faction, That was said at the beginning. That is why the Klingon's start at Lt. 5 instead of doing a startup as a Klink. So people who bought this game thinking two faction's, get over it. They've done more than they had to for the Klingon side, sorry it isn't enough. And on top of adding more to the game as a whole they are working on more factions and some more content as well, so be patient.

    in fairness they promised Klingons well PVP focused would be a fully fleshed out faction as opposed to say LOTRO's monster play.
    sadly what this ment is unlike in monster play Klingons needed to level up to level cap as opposed to getting it for free
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    soldieroffaith wrote: »
    The Klingon Faction was meant as a solely PVP Faction, That was said at the beginning. That is why the Klingon's start at Lt. 5 instead of doing a startup as a Klink. So people who bought this game thinking two faction's, get over it. They've done more than they had to for the Klingon side, sorry it isn't enough. And on top of adding more to the game as a whole they are working on more factions and some more content as well, so be patient.

    Sorry but you are wrong. We were promised 2 factions with FULL PvP and Full PvE content all the way until 3 months before launch on Dec. 17, 2009 when they dropped the "Klingons will be PvP only" bomb on us during an ask Cryptic.

    http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=217322&highlight=klingon+history

    That thread documents the history between Cryptic and the KDF so you can get your facts straight. This game waas supposed to originally have 2 FULL factions with FULL content. That is why no one is getting over it and no one is going to get over it until we have a second faction with FULL and EQUAL content like we were promised from the BEGINNING.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    I think they player numbers are low due to lack of content on the kling side. If they had more cool exclusive content I would play one. The BoP, T5 ships, and hellspwn are almost enough, but they need more story missions. But lets be fair here they have added a lot more content over time. They just have a ways to go yet.

    In season five or six once they work on the endgame content and the territory control game it will give the factions and pvp a lot more bite. Once that happens I think people will be much more interested when they can raid federation worlds and actually have it mean something.

    Eventually, I could see the war ending after the Romulan faction is added (I know I know Cyptic can't handle two factions) and have the three reform an alliance to fight back the end game enemy borg/8472/Iconians.

    I wouldn't mind watching waves of Warbirds, Carriers, and Assault Cruisers take on a fleet of Iconian ships.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    I am new to the game, and knew Klingon. I played as Horde back when WoW first came out, so I am used to being the red-headed ******* step-child no one loves. I am all for more content, but for now I find quests I have adequate because I spend a lot of time in PvP queue.

    I am all for more content for this faction however, and I am all for new factions int he future (Romulans and Cardasians).

    One thing I'm not for thou is wars which make little sense :/ As much as I enjoy slaughtering the Feds, I would rather that wars in the future be result of player actions especially once we have more factions and possibilities for conflicts become more that one.
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