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Guramba?

SystemSystem Member, NoReporting Posts: 178,019 Arc User
edited August 2011 in Klingon Discussion
I want to know three things about the Guramba Siege Destroyer.

1) What Ship Skill line does it feed off of? Raptor? Cruiser? BoP?

2) How does its Javelin / Siege Mode actually work?

3) How often does it generally see use of its Javelin in battle?
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Shinkuu_Akagan wrote:
    I want to know three things about the Guramba Siege Destroyer.

    1) What Ship Skill line does it feed off of? Raptor? Cruiser? BoP?

    2) How does its Javelin / Siege Mode actually work?

    3) How often does it generally see use of its Javelin in battle?

    1- Raptor, IIRC

    2- You push a button and you're in siege mode. You power up the javelin. You then fire it by pushing a second button. The firing of the javelin shoves you back into regular mode.

    3- Entirely up to you. Siege mode makes you turn slow. The Javelin has a small firing arc. I tend to save using it for like battleships or the "end" ship of a mission or cluster of ships. In PVP it's about as useful as the Galaxy X's phaser lance.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    superchum wrote: »
    2- You push a button and you're in siege mode. You power up the javelin. You then fire it by pushing a second button. The firing of the javelin shoves you back into regular mode.
    I'd like to add that powering up the javelin taps it's energy from your energy weapon fire, which means you have to be shooting at something for it to power up. There are indicators on your ship that tells you when you're ready to fire, but the whole process probably takes 15-30 seconds depending on the amount of targets you have available to shoot at and how fast you can spin around to target.

    In PvE on normal difficulty the Javelin is pretty much worthless except for "battleship" mini-boss type ships, simply because you'll destroy most ships before the javelin has the power to fire. On Advanced and Elite difficulties, it's not too bad.
    superchum wrote: »
    3- Entirely up to you. Siege mode makes you turn slow. The Javelin has a small firing arc. I tend to save using it for like battleships or the "end" ship of a mission or cluster of ships. In PVP it's about as useful as the Galaxy X's phaser lance.
    Using siege mode in PvP is probably a death sentence unless you have support while it powers up, or you're hitting a solo cruiser or something like that.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Thanks to both of you for that info. One more question: Are Cannons Viable for the Guramba due to its slow turn in Siege mode or are beams better suited to it?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    I use 4x dual disruptor beams in the front. Aft has 2x photons and a single beam. Turn rate would work well for dual heavy cannons, I just opted for beams so I'd get the extra damage on the Javelin.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    im pretty sure the thing is still free on tribble to test.

    copy your character over and see if you can claim it, then you can test it before you buy.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Captain_Revo wrote:
    im pretty sure the thing is still free on tribble to test.

    copy your character over and see if you can claim it, then you can test it before you buy.

    Never really been on Tribble and have no clue how to get there. I am also not Lt. General yet. I am planning ahead.

    The Lance uses Beam Weapon proficiencies?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Lance is basically the equivalent of BO3 with a disruptor albeit with a much higher crit chance, unsure if it uses any skills in its firing, it has a narrow firing arc, about on par with dual heavy cannons.


    Mines fitted out entirely with disruptor beams and uses APB and FAW 2/3 as its primary damage skills, plus the sci debuffs, the lance is just a nice 28-40k damage finisher for large targets (Cubes, etc).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Shinkuu_Akagan wrote:
    I want to know three things about the Guramba Siege Destroyer.

    1) What Ship Skill line does it feed off of? Raptor? Cruiser? BoP?

    2) How does its Javelin / Siege Mode actually work?

    3) How often does it generally see use of its Javelin in battle?

    1. Raptor

    2. Hitting the siege mode button causes your ship to rotate around, and bring its tentacles forward like a pouncing octopus. It takes about a second to change into that configuration and a second to change back. During the change you can't fire any weapons at all. The entire time it's in that configuration you will turn like a cruiser, every weapon shot you hit your enemy with will put a small energy drain on them and charge your javelin. In about the time it takes for your BO to get off cooldown you can get your javelin charged. Once your javelin launches your ship will automatically take a non-firing second to change back to a standard mode making follow up difficult.

    3. The Javelin shares a CD with other beam weapon powers including Beam Overload. So, in essence, if you fly a heavy beam build with two uses of Beam Overload you could conceivably never have a chance to use the Javelin.
    Shinkuu_Akagan wrote:
    Thanks to both of you for that info. One more question: Are Cannons Viable for the Guramba due to its slow turn in Siege mode or are beams better suited to it?

    Yes, but only if you use Siege Mode as a situational tool. Out of siege mode it's a nimble ship easily on par with any other escort in the game and perfectly tooled for Cannons. If you try to stay in siege mode near exclusively you'd have a lot of trouble working with the narrow arc of dual cannons.

    My personal experience has been that the Guramba works best with a near standard 2DHC/DBB/Torp weapon loadout and a single use of the BO3 power saving the siege mode as a tool for heal heavy enemies who might benefit from the extra spike damage of the Javelin following on the CD of BO3.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    With regards to it's survivability, an engineer could probably keep it in one piece quite easily, as it's essentially the same as a Fleet Escort, and those can tank very well for an escort.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    If you run one DBB with 2xBeam Overloads running on CD the javelin is redundant. The javelin is basically a BO it even triggers the BO CD . so it's not worth it . i used the gurambe for three weeks then went to vorcha-r on my ENG . ill try my TAC next but i really am digging the Heg too much to think i will switch for a long time. as it stands right now the guramba is a raptor minus the cloak for a while i liked it i had it all borged up but it was only so so in the end.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    I run a Guramba on my Tac Lt. Gen.
    I personally love the ship along with the B'Rel-r.
    I have dual heavy cannons and torpedo up front, and turrets in the rear. I fly it just live a Fed escort.

    I have found that the Javelin works really good on Borg cubes, especially when running Infected. It is pretty good on the carrier in the Cure, but it isn't much help against Donatra's ship in KA. She moves too fast and cloaks before I can power it up. Her shields are always up with decloaks, so no help there either.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Seems I can use cannons with it very well. Even in "Siege Mode" I do not find that it is all that super sluggish compared to what my Raptor had been.

    One last question: Is the Javelin effected by my skills any? That is, is it effected by "Disruptor Damage" or "Beam/Cannon" damage skills?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    I just logged in to check on the skills the Javelin uses and it's not listed in the drop-down list. The odd thing is that it had a bunch of disruptor beam arrays listed that I don't have; like 5 arrays and some banks and then some copies of target subsystem shields... I think the Guramba might have some bugs in the skill section.

    At any rate I recall reading that both the spinal lance and javelin use beams and phaser/disruptor skills, which is why I set mine up with all beams. I just can't seem to find where I read that.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Jarnin wrote: »
    I just logged in to check on the skills the Javelin uses and it's not listed in the drop-down list. The odd thing is that it had a bunch of disruptor beam arrays listed that I don't have; like 5 arrays and some banks and then some copies of target subsystem shields... I think the Guramba might have some bugs in the skill section.

    At any rate I recall reading that both the spinal lance and javelin use beams and phaser/disruptor skills, which is why I set mine up with all beams. I just can't seem to find where I read that.

    On the STOWiki it has it listed as Phaser Damage and Beams lol... So I can guess it is wrong.

    I also have skills there I do not have currently like a bunch of bare-handed attacks when I have both slots filled. I also could not find the Javelin.
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