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The Delta Flyer is probably one of the best (if not _the_) shuttle options in the game. Okay, you're laughing now, why would anyone care about shuttles, they are useless except for one mission.
Well, that's true. But I like the occasional Shuttle Wars match. And the Delta Flyer is basically anyone's default choice. (Though it might be will see a rise in popularity for Fighters? We'll see.)
The main advantage of the Delta Flyer is that it gets 2 "real" Bridge Officer slots. Other shuttles like the Runabout, the Yacht or the Chariot merely get an innate Ensign Ability plus one BO slot. The innate Ensign ability cannot be trained, so the Delta Flyer will always have better cooldowns than the other ships, and that can make a big difference in a short-lived vessel like a Shuttle.
I think it's okay if the Shuttles have different power levels, but it's not okay if the best option is only available to one faction.
Well, that's true. But I like the occasional Shuttle Wars match. And the Delta Flyer is basically anyone's default choice. (Though it might be will see a rise in popularity for Fighters? We'll see.)
The main advantage of the Delta Flyer is that it gets 2 "real" Bridge Officer slots. Other shuttles like the Runabout, the Yacht or the Chariot merely get an innate Ensign Ability plus one BO slot. The innate Ensign ability cannot be trained, so the Delta Flyer will always have better cooldowns than the other ships, and that can make a big difference in a short-lived vessel like a Shuttle.
I think it's okay if the Shuttles have different power levels, but it's not okay if the best option is only available to one faction.
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and what should we use this for?
Exactly one mission (the Vault), and only after we reached Captain?
I tend to agree with you in principle, but before debating car types,
actually having streets would be awfully nice.
Weird analogy, but appropriate.
I mostly used the fighter with my tac, but I used the Delta quite a bit. It is by far the best shuttle in the game. The fighter is great for what it is, but the delta gives you way more options.
I was thinking about doing a tac klingon in a fighter/shuttle, but the chariot kinda stinks and there's no alternative. Something like an Delta for the klingon side would be welcome.
It doesn't really matter with all the content problems of the KDF, you might say. ANd I wouldn't disagree. But we already talked about the other stuff, so I thought I point out another way the KDF needs to be improved.
Yup.
Also the people who make missions are not the ones who make ships.
So we can point out what we feel what needs to be pointed out.
Cryptic can only decided to do something about issunes that either they or we can realize are there and the assign the right people for the right job.
On the Fed side, the Delta is definately a very powerful ship for a few specific tasks.
Not only would I like one on the Klingon side, I encourage the 'ship' devs to add one ingame using an existing skin if it makes it easier. Launching this new class from a Negh'Var would be win/win from my perspective.
If I maybe so bold, a cloak would be better than gold pressed Latinum.
I do agree whole heartedly that the Klinks need a version of their own though, I dont want the klinks and feds to have even remotely similar ship abilities, powers, layouts...but for every ship the Federation is given one should also be created and released at the same time to the klinks.
I know Capt. Logan is working on this for us, and I know it is difficult with the company being in limbo. However If the Rhode Island is being put up on the C-Store, then I believe that a Klingon ship should be introduced (by whatever means im not particular) at the same time.
You're right. Because the ship designers are the ones who are working on the missions.. oh wait, they're not?
Well, the costume designers are being taken away from working on missions, then.. Wait.. they're not either?
Well, hrm.. I guess the ship and costume designers can do their jobs of designing things. It's the content team who needs to do more work for KDF content I suppose.
A cloak on the charriot may just be enough to balance it out anyway.
Il trade you a delta flyer for a carrier
Until there's more than a single mission or PvP shuttle/fighter only maps, I don't see the need...
Small Craft for Little Content?
Will shuttle_war for content!
The Cannon Rapid Fire is on a lower cooldown, though, then a regular skill would be. Does that balance it with the fact that it's a Lt. ability?
I say... maybe. It's still not entirely comparable.
Well there are a lot of people enjoying shutle PVP, also there are a few foundry mission designed for the use of shutles.
So I agree the (again) KDF/Fed inbalance is an issue but not one of the major ones the KDF has.,,
Well its a matter of preferrence on weapons type if you are not a cannon user then you should stay away from fighters and just use the delta flyer on fed side. Honestly though if you've ever played kdf about 95% of our ships primary strength is using cannons so the fighter is all we need. On another note the devs wasting their time on another shuttle is pointless when time could be gone to other things we need like better patrols/sorties, content, filling the ship gaps. In all honesty though if they ever do make additional shuttles/fighters they will probally be like orion or nausicaan.
Peregrine = To'duj
Runabout = Toron
Captain's Yacht = Duj'hod
Delta Flyer = ???
Tal'kyr = ???
Look at it this way: If you're playing a Klingon you have no choices for a shuttle. The only one available is the Toron, unless you buy the fighter in the C-Store or have been playing for 400 days. The Toron is a fine shuttle and comparable to the Runabout, but there's nothing even close to the Delta or Tal'kyr.
The Devs have mentioned their desire to add more shuttle-only missions, and even shuttle-pvp maps. If they're going to go that route, they have to add in one or two more shuttles for the KDF to balance it.
Toron looks like a cardboard box to me really, I always use my Chariot. But yeah more choices would be nice. But like someone stated, we'll need a lot more shuttle content to make them viable.
Just for the record, it is the Type 6 shuttle that is the fed equivalent of the KDF Toron shuttle, not the Runabout.
The Runabout may have identical stats to the Type 6 (can't remember off the top of my head) but its obviously still another choice for fed players and, since it has a hull about twice the size of the type 6/toron is effectively a different shuttle type still.
The Toron and Runabout have identical stats, which is why I made the comparison. The only difference is the ability (jam targeting sensors vs. tractor beam).
What? You can't see it?