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Cryptic, please... Now it's just RIDICULOUS.

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edited August 2011 in Klingon Discussion
I just did the Kern system assault on my now Captain 8 (he leveled during the mission). 4 Starfleet ships guarding 5 Satellites. Every ship was a Battleship. 2 Noble-class, 1 Sovereign-class, and the typical Typhoon.

4 Battleships. 4 ships qualified to be level bosses.

Why was it so EASY?

I'm serious. Never did my shields drop below 80%. I've done the Pi Canis Sorties too many times. I've done the Deferi dailies so many times, that yesterday I vaporized a Chel Gret Cruiser and took basically no damage, because it took me less than 5 seconds to demolish him (This guy was my level, I was at Outpost 3). I batter down battleships, sear science vessels, and escort escorts to Gre'Thor. The Breen fall so pitifully easily too me, that I've gotten BORED tanking a Chel Gret and 3 Plesh Brek Frigates in the Kelvani Belt.

Cryptic, I implore you. Please, for the love of the Prophets, Agosoria, Q, and whatever OTHER Star Trek diety you can think of, find some spare time to engineer something more for the KDF to level on. There's a reason that only 18% of STO is in the KDF. We need CONTENT! Even if it's some extra story meat about the War (I plotted a really nice series where the KDF tried to ally with the Terran Empire, and another where they started pushing back into Romulan areas to outflank the Federation), it would be SOMETHING. Give us patrols in the sector blocks you gave us in S4. Something, please!

Content is FOOD, and we are STARVING! There's FAMINE on Qo'Nos! Please, HELP US (or, in Klingon, "bel QaH maH")!
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    See the story of the KDF with Cryptic in Peregrine_Falcons threat via the link in my Sig.
    They had more then a year to add more KDF content, but just gave out some scraps.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    I suspect NPC ships are easy to defeat because of tofu. They eat so much of it that only one or two of their bridge officers are able to even move.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Hawks wrote: »
    See the story of the KDF with Cryptic in Peregrine_Falcons threat via the link in my Sig.
    They had more then a year to add more KDF content, but just gave out some scraps.

    This is even worse considering the ease with which Starfleet patrol misions can be ported over to KDF, which is what most of the PiCanis sorties consist of.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    This is even worse considering the ease with which Starfleet patrol misions can be ported over to KDF, which is what most of the PiCanis sorties consist of.

    I'm not sure how many of the patrols lend themselves to easy porting over to repeatable dailies. I just did one where I investigated some ambushed frigates. I flew from one frigate to another, scanned them and determined the Romulans were to blame... the only other ship I saw was another player who joined my open instance group halfway through.

    Rewriting a quest like that to be done from the Klingon perspective is really as simple as changing the scan dialogue and probably can be done in half an hour, but that's not a quest anyone will want to do more than once every 6 months.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    I found out early on that if you want any challenge in the game you need to play on elite - and never change it ;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    I found out early on that if you want any challenge in the game you need to play on elite - and never change it ;)

    I played elite yesterday... the Sovereign I had to fight had 4 times my hull... But I did get it to 40% before exploding!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Lord-Ice wrote:
    I just did the Kern system assault on my now Captain 8 (he leveled during the mission). 4 Starfleet ships guarding 5 Satellites. Every ship was a Battleship. 2 Noble-class, 1 Sovereign-class, and the typical Typhoon.

    4 Battleships. 4 ships qualified to be level bosses.

    Why was it so EASY?


    I'm serious. Never did my shields drop below 80%. I've done the Pi Canis Sorties too many times. I've done the Deferi dailies so many times, that yesterday I vaporized a Chel Gret Cruiser and took basically no damage, because it took me less than 5 seconds to demolish him!

    Welcome to PVE in general? Here, try this out for me will you?

    1. When you get to Tier 5 ships, go and requisition a Hegta BoP.
    2. Better yet, take whatever ship you have now to Tier 5 missions when you get to general rank
    3. Load up your ship with all beam arrays (better yet, load them out with their standard starting equipment)
    4. Do NOT put in any bridge officers
    5. Go and run some of the pi canis missions where you just move from place to place killing things
    6. Now, this is next step is IMPORTANT! GET A ROCK THE SIZE OF YOUR A OR D KEY!
    7. Go and engage the first ship you encounter
    8. Put your pet rock on your A or D key
    9. Press spacebar ONE TIME, just make sure your weapons are set to autofire
    10. Go Alt Tab and browse your favorite website
    11. Get some coffee, or tea, or whatever you like to drink
    12. Alt tab back to the game
    13. Yay, you won! You're a winner!

    This is all it takes to win PvE

    EDIT: No, the above is not meant to redicule the OP. Rather, I like what the OP said, because essentially it's saying "Cryptic, PvE is so easy even a caveman can do it!" I only wanted to add "Rocks can PvE too!"
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    If you like Sith as much as you like Klingons, help ... content ... and other options are on their way. :(
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    gx4th wrote: »
    Welcome to PVE in general? Here, try this out for me will you?

    1. When you get to Tier 5 ships, go and requisition a Hegta BoP.
    2. Better yet, take whatever ship you have now to Tier 5 missions when you get to general rank
    3. Load up your ship with all beam arrays (better yet, load them out with their standard starting equipment)
    4. Do NOT put in any bridge officers
    5. Go and run some of the pi canis missions where you just move from place to place killing things
    6. Now, this is next step is IMPORTANT! GET A ROCK THE SIZE OF YOUR A OR D KEY!
    7. Go and engage the first ship you encounter
    8. Put your pet rock on your A or D key
    9. Press spacebar ONE TIME, just make sure your weapons are set to autofire
    10. Go Alt Tab and browse your favorite website
    11. Get some coffee, or tea, or whatever you like to drink
    12. Alt tab back to the game
    13. Yay, you won! You're a winner!

    This is all it takes to win PvE

    EDIT: No, the above is not meant to redicule the OP. Rather, I like what the OP said, because essentially it's saying "Cryptic, PvE is so easy even a caveman can do it!" I only wanted to add "Rocks can PvE too!"

    1: I was already planning on getting the HegTa.
    2: No thank you.
    3: Again, no. Beam boats are unnatural. And I typically get boosted marks of the same equipment (Except I roll Quantum, and I get some FE equipment and decent consoles).
    4: No thanks. I've already spec'ed my BOffs for their positions.
    5: Those are the only ones I play. Pi Canis Sortie Alpha.
    6: I have a keybind for that. I press a button, and I don't stop turning until I press it again.
    /bind <KEY> ++<Direction you want to turn> (like, for me, /bind numpad4 ++left and when I press the number pad's 4, I keep turning left until it's pressed again) (I have my entire number pad set up as my flight controls)
    7: That's a given.
    8: Again, keybind.
    9: I press spacebar a lot. I only have my Torpedoes in my power bar.
    10: Um... no.
    11: I do that BEFORE I engage the enemy.
    12: Seeing as I didn't alt tab away, null.
    13: I win faster by doing it my way (buff up, decloack, vaporize).

    ...And I win PvE faster.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Im not disagreeing with anything you've posted. Cryptic's set the bar so low that keybind / autofire is all it takes to win in pve, at any level.

    Cryptic, always a measure of excellence :rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Jermbot wrote: »
    I'm not sure how many of the patrols lend themselves to easy porting over to repeatable dailies. I just did one where I investigated some ambushed frigates. I flew from one frigate to another, scanned them and determined the Romulans were to blame... the only other ship I saw was another player who joined my open instance group halfway through.

    Rewriting a quest like that to be done from the Klingon perspective is really as simple as changing the scan dialogue and probably can be done in half an hour, but that's not a quest anyone will want to do more than once every 6 months.

    Obviously "go scan a rock" type missions aren't worth bringing over, but there are plenty of missions that are combat oriented. And any map an be used to create a combat oriented mission.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    gx4th wrote: »
    Im not disagreeing with anything you've posted. Cryptic's set the bar so low that keybind / autofire is all it takes to win in pve, at any level.

    Cryptic, always a measure of excellence :rolleyes:

    Actually I think Cryptics method is genius. Playing in a very casual or limited way is viable for a large portion of the game so slower speed players will find it accessible. Playing at the highest levels... well, I remember reading a post from a pretty hardcore PVPer and he was talking about how he's keybound his ships weapons onto four different firing keys because if you get the timing right you get alot more damage and a much better rate of fire by manually firing off two weapons, then two more, then two more.

    It's like boxing. At it's most basic level it's a sport about punching people and anyone can do it. At it's most refined level it's one of the most complex sports on earth.
    Obviously "go scan a rock" type missions aren't worth bringing over, but there are plenty of missions that are combat oriented. And any map an be used to create a combat oriented mission.

    Yeah, we get plenty of those when exploring. But for Klingons that leaves Cryptic in the position of having to make sure any quest they port over has replay value. It's more complicated than just grabbing a map... and the more complicated it gets the longer it will take.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Jermbot wrote: »
    Actually I think Cryptics method is genius. Playing in a very casual or limited way is viable for a large portion of the game so slower speed players will find it accessible. Playing at the highest levels... well, I remember reading a post from a pretty hardcore PVPer and he was talking about how he's keybound his ships weapons onto four different firing keys because if you get the timing right you get alot more damage and a much better rate of fire by manually firing off two weapons, then two more, then two more.

    It's like boxing. At it's most basic level it's a sport about punching people and anyone can do it. At it's most refined level it's one of the most complex sports on earth.



    Yeah, we get plenty of those when exploring. But for Klingons that leaves Cryptic in the position of having to make sure any quest they port over has replay value. It's more complicated than just grabbing a map... and the more complicated it gets the longer it will take.

    Only marginally. Look at the existing sorties, place mobs, add text, add objectives. Done.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Only marginally. Look at the existing sorties, place mobs, add text, add objectives. Done.

    Well, to a point but I imagine they don't want to lose the meta-mission structure they have with the six special objectives. So we likely won't see another sortie until they can do two chains of short missions each with a special objective to tie into a third.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Jermbot wrote: »
    Actually I think Cryptics method is genius. Playing in a very casual or limited way is viable for a large portion of the game so slower speed players will find it accessible.

    Please take a look at this video of me doing PvE at level 51. The bar human involvement in cryptic's STO is so low that humans do NOT even need to be at their computer to play this game. Just set a rock in your A or D key and hit spacebar. Now grab a cup of coffee.

    "Normal difficulty" is a joke
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    gx4th wrote: »
    Please take a look at this video of me doing PvE at level 51. The bar human involvement in cryptic's STO is so low that humans do NOT even need to be at their computer to play this game. Just set a rock in your A or D key and hit spacebar. Now grab a cup of coffee.

    "Normal difficulty" is a joke

    Oh how you are doing it wrong... let me count the ways...

    1: You're a Lt.G in a Varanus. DOING IT WRONG. B'Rel Refit/Garumba or bust.
    2: You're turning at full speed. Turning is for half speed, especially for anything that can launch other ships.
    3: You don't turn the other way when you're shields failed. You dropped near half hull. My shields almost never go down that far, but I never drop below half hull.
    4: All weapons on Autofire. Just plain WRONG. Disruptors, fine, but NEVER, EVER put torpedoes on autofire. EVER.

    I took this video shortly before I made this topic. Coincidentally, it's the same mission. THIS is doing it RIGHT in the Maiewski System Assault. Granted, my video recorder (LIKE ALWAYS >.>) sped up the frame rate, but my cooldowns will tell you what you want to know.

    And keep an eye on my chat box. I make a few commentaries in there.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Lord-Ice wrote:
    Oh how you are doing it wrong... let me count the ways...

    1: You're a Lt.G in a Varanus. DOING IT WRONG. B'Rel Refit/Garumba or bust.
    2: You're turning at full speed. Turning is for half speed, especially for anything that can launch other ships.
    3: You don't turn the other way when you're shields failed. You dropped near half hull. My shields almost never go down that far, but I never drop below half hull.
    4: All weapons on Autofire. Just plain WRONG. Disruptors, fine, but NEVER, EVER put torpedoes on autofire. EVER.

    I took this video shortly before I made this topic. Coincidentally, it's the same mission. THIS is doing it RIGHT in the Maiewski System Assault. Granted, my video recorder (LIKE ALWAYS >.>) sped up the frame rate, but my cooldowns will tell you what you want to know.

    And keep an eye on my chat box. I make a few commentaries in there.

    and you sir cheated :D

    balancing shields is above and beyond what this game requires (lolz)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    gx4th wrote: »
    and you sir cheated :D

    balancing shields is above and beyond what this game requires (lolz)

    I did that AFTER they died, if you notice. I like having my shields up when I cloak, because they don't heal when you're cloaked. But in the time it took you to eliminate a Fleet Escort, I can beat half the mission.

    You, good sir, are doing it WRONG.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Lord-Ice wrote:
    I did that AFTER they died, if you notice. I like having my shields up when I cloak, because they don't heal when you're cloaked. But in the time it took you to eliminate a Fleet Escort, I can beat half the mission.

    You, good sir, are doing it WRONG.

    I think you're missing the point of my video, which is that you don't even have to use abilities, or even be near the computer, to beat the mission. Using abilities is cheating, didn't you know? You get labled elitist for that.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    gx4th wrote: »
    I think you're missing the point of my video, which is that you don't even have to use abilities, or even be near the computer, to beat the mission. Using abilities is cheating, didn't you know? You get labled elitist for that.

    I'm not doing the missions just for the grind. I want something to focus on. Pressing the "I win" button and walking away isn't fun. And it doesn't label you "elitist" to use powers. It labels you "Smart". Go PvP with that build, and allow me to laugh at just how fast you die. Honestly...

    But I have to give you one thing: For someone that doen't get the point of a major game function, you have decent grammar. That's something, at least.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Play on Elite.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Lord-Ice wrote:
    I'm not doing the missions just for the grind. I want something to focus on. Pressing the "I win" button and walking away isn't fun. And it doesn't label you "elitist" to use powers. It labels you "Smart". Go PvP with that build, and allow me to laugh at just how fast you die. Honestly...

    But I have to give you one thing: For someone that doen't get the point of a major game function, you have decent grammar. That's something, at least.

    Instead of attacking me in game, let's settle this in an arena match? your fleet against my fleet. Clean and fair.

    Or, how about you behave like a normal person. If you think PvE'ing is smart, using buttons in PvE is smart, then let's see your skills in pvp. My characters are all in the bottom, feel free to hit me up in game ^^
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    gx4th wrote: »
    Instead of attacking me in game, let's settle this in an arena match? your fleet against my fleet. Clean and fair.

    Or, how about you behave like a normal person. If you think PvE'ing is smart, using buttons in PvE is smart, then let's see your skills in pvp. My characters are all in the bottom, feel free to hit me up in game ^^

    I'll take you up on that... after I hit Lt.G. I'll hot Brigadier General later today, and that's the final real stretch.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Lord-Ice wrote:
    I'll take you up on that... after I hit Lt.G. I'll hot Brigadier General later today, and that's the final real stretch.

    Fantastic /salute sir. Meanwhile, feel free to check out some practice vids of mine. Just fooling around here
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    gx4th wrote: »
    Fantastic /salute sir. Meanwhile, feel free to check out some practice vids of mine. Just fooling around here

    I didn't say I've never PvP'ed. I did it for a while on my VA about a week ago. My Fed Dread served me well, but its turn rate hurt. A lot. Gotta say, though, the Cloak helped. It was a Space Capture and Hold, Fed v Fed AND Fed v KDF. They'd capture a spot... I'd decloak after they left and recapture it. It was hilarious.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    gx4th wrote: »
    I think you're missing the point of my video, which is that you don't even have to use abilities, or even be near the computer, to beat the mission. Using abilities is cheating, didn't you know? You get labled elitist for that.

    Well said. Other than that, all that's left to say is 'w000000000000000000000000000000000sh'.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    I found out early on that if you want any challenge in the game you need to play on elite - and never change it ;)

    If you also want it to be varied and fun, I would recommend checking out the PvP Queue thingy hidden in that drop-down menu.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Lord-Ice wrote:
    Oh how you are doing it wrong... let me count the ways...

    1: You're a Lt.G in a Varanus. DOING IT WRONG. B'Rel Refit/Garumba or bust.
    2: You're turning at full speed. Turning is for half speed, especially for anything that can launch other ships.
    3: You don't turn the other way when you're shields failed. You dropped near half hull. My shields almost never go down that far, but I never drop below half hull.
    4: All weapons on Autofire. Just plain WRONG. Disruptors, fine, but NEVER, EVER put torpedoes on autofire. EVER.

    I took this video shortly before I made this topic. Coincidentally, it's the same mission. THIS is doing it RIGHT in the Maiewski System Assault. Granted, my video recorder (LIKE ALWAYS >.>) sped up the frame rate, but my cooldowns will tell you what you want to know.

    And keep an eye on my chat box. I make a few commentaries in there.

    The point, you are missing it completely.
    w0000000000sh indeed.
    PVE is stupid easy, & can be completed with autofire, a book, & a dice on your a key.
    Sure, you don't HAVE to do that, but the fact that you can is a problem.
    Most of the PVPers realized that a long time ago, that every PVE opponent does the same thing EVERY time you fight it. If I hadn't discovered PVP, i would have left this game after i got my first toon to the level cap.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Everything in this game is getting rediculously easy. Borg gear will soon even be easier to get.
    Crafting is a joke. The particles you need now its just rediculous.
    Fleet actions? Can be Solo'ed. (Tanking your way against 30 Gorn ships or what)



    Seriously Cryptic, You might do this for the newbies so that they stop complaining, but you also make people complain who like/need a challenge.

    Why have I stopped playing PvE a long while ago? Just because if this reason. The only challenge you still get is by PvPing against real world players.



    I know, I said newbies. And yes i was a newbie myself when I started this game, even when I finally got to Vice Admiral I was still a relative newbie. Did i want everything to be easy at the time? No. Absolutely not. Even then I wanted a game to be challenging. Cryptic, you ruin it for all of us just because of some 10% of the newbies complain about difficulty in different aspects of the game.

    Thanks ALOT. Oh wait Ive got a great idea. It just came up to me.
    Put the Borg gear in the C-store, this way people dont even have to do any trouble for any STF, and you've got another part of the game for sale.
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