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Kzinti

SystemSystem Member, NoReporting Posts: 178,019 Arc User
edited July 2011 in Klingon Discussion
I was fiddling with my fleet uniforms and just noticed that "Kzinti" is one of the preview options....
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Wouldnt it be nice to get Kzinti or Lyrans as a playable Klingon race? Maybe as part of a Kzinti or Lyran Featured Episode.

    For those of you that dont know, Kzinti are a race of feline humanoids that use phasers, disruptors, and drones as primary weapons in Star Fleet Battles (very similar to Klingons but with more emphasis on Drones than Disruptors, gotta remember that Disruptors in SFB were a 'heavy' weapon)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    For copyright reasons, the Kzinti never made it into STO. :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Yeah, even in StarFleet Command the name had to be changed to Mirak over copyright legal issues.
    Apparently, David Niven, the author who originally came up with the name, wanted too much money or simply was unwilling to let them use the name in the game, despite letting in be used in StarFleet Battles board game that SFC was based off to begin with.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Ashur1 wrote:
    For copyright reasons, the Kzinti never made it into STO. :)

    This is my point. The race appears as a preview choice. I suspect copyright reasons have been overcome...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Mojo wrote: »
    This is my point. The race appears as a preview choice. I suspect copyright reasons have been overcome...

    Unlikely.
    It's far more likely that someone put the neme in there when the copyright issues were not obvious
    and it's another Season 4 glitch it now shows up.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    I actually really hope the Kzinti do not make it in, ever.

    They don't belong in ST. They are from a different universe, and it just doesn't work. The big thing with the Kzinti were the Kzin-Man Wars. I'm pretty sure no major interstellar wars occured in the early 22nd century. Last time I checked the ST history.

    And without that? Why bother. We have Caitians. You already have your cat people. If you really want more playable species, look into canon Trek for them. Klingons could have stuff like Chalnoth or maybe a cool insect race like the Xindi Insectoids or Jarada. Or for something weird have the Klingons conquer the Sheliak. Also, Antedeans could be nifty too for something not humanoid.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    You know what I liked the most about Niven's Kzin. The way they evolved from a race of war like morons ready to kill at the slightest provocation into a race of war like morons ready to kill at the slightest provocation, but with professional apologizers if a killing spree was undesirable at that moment.

    I think of them every time I run into a group of Klingons or Starfleet who say one or two really stupid lines and then come at me to die in three to five waves.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    mmendel46 wrote: »
    I actually really hope the Kzinti do not make it in, ever.

    They don't belong in ST. They are from a different universe, and it just doesn't work. The big thing with the Kzinti were the Kzin-Man Wars. I'm pretty sure no major interstellar wars occured in the early 22nd century. Last time I checked the ST history.

    And without that? Why bother. We have Caitians. You already have your cat people. If you really want more playable species, look into canon Trek for them. Klingons could have stuff like Chalnoth or maybe a cool insect race like the Xindi Insectoids or Jarada. Or for something weird have the Klingons conquer the Sheliak. Also, Antedeans could be nifty too for something not humanoid.

    What about mirror universe caitians for the kdf they could reuse the same model.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    What do you think of Anticans as a playable species for the KDF?

    http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Antican
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    KBFLordKrueg wrote: »
    Yeah, even in StarFleet Command the name had to be changed to Mirak over copyright legal issues.
    Apparently, David Niven, the author who originally came up with the name, wanted too much money or simply was unwilling to let them use the name in the game, despite letting in be used in StarFleet Battles board game that SFC was based off to begin with.

    I believe the issue concerning adding Kzinti to STO had less to do with Niven asking for money and more to do with CBS's feelings that the Known Universe and Star Trek canons were inheriently incapatible with each other.
    SHARKFORCE wrote: »
    What do you think of Anticans as a playable species for the KDF?

    http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Antican
    Weren't they appying for Federation membership when we first saw them?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Why is everyone running around assuming Kzinti came from SFB?

    Kzinti were part of TOS and TAS. Hell they were also planning on putting them in Enterprise.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Archanubis wrote:

    Weren't they appying for Federation membership when we first saw them?

    They were,but nowhere is mentioned if they became a member or not.....
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Inquizitor wrote: »
    Why is everyone running around assuming Kzinti came from SFB?

    Kzinti were part of TOS and TAS. Hell they were also planning on putting them in Enterprise.

    They were not part of TOS, TAS-only.

    And yes, there were plans to use them on "Enterprise", but what didn't happen didn't hapen.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Inquizitor wrote: »
    Why is everyone running around assuming Kzinti came from SFB?

    Kzinti were part of TOS and TAS. Hell they were also planning on putting them in Enterprise.


    They never showed up in TOS. They showed up in an episode of TAS, written by Larry Niven. An episode that would be impossible to reconcile with the rest of Star Trek canon.

    Yeah the Kzinti were being tossed around for an Enterprise episode, but it never happened, much like the NX-01 Refit.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    On a side note however, anyone notice that both the Gorn and the Kzinti were Federation allies in SFB/SFC?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    mmendel46 wrote: »
    They never showed up in TOS. They showed up in an episode of TAS, written by Larry Niven. An episode that would be impossible to reconcile with the rest of Star Trek canon.

    This. Kzinti AND Caitians were both introduced in TAS. Caitans became "canon" when one appeared in "The Voyage Home". However, given that Caitians and Kzinti were introduced at the same time (although not necessarily by the same author) I see little reason why Kzinti could not be introduced as relatives of the Caitians, if Niven's permission can be achieved, or why a warlike offshoot of the Caitians could not be developed as replacements for the Kzinti, if it cannot.

    More information about Kzinti in the Star Trek universe

    Note that while the above link is to Memory-Alpha, which uses only canon references as its source, TAS was not considered canon, or as "soft canon", by Roddenberry. Since Kzinti are the property of Niven anyway, their representation in Star Trek would almost have to be soft canon by definition.

    I also find it amusing that Kzin females are not sentient, while Caitian females are. M'Ress [edit: Uhura, actually, but they would have believed the same of M'Ress) had a bit of a funny encounter with them in that episode, as the Kzin underestimated her because of their assumption that she was like a Kzin female. Of course there's no reason the STO version couldn't be different, especially if they're an original creation.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Inquizitor wrote: »
    Why is everyone running around assuming Kzinti came from SFB?

    Kzinti were part of TOS and TAS. Hell they were also planning on putting them in Enterprise.

    Actually, they came From books...the complete history of the Kzinti:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kzin
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    While it's nice that some don't feel Kzinti have a place in Star Trek history, what about this?
    Mojo wrote: »
    I was fiddling with my fleet uniforms and just noticed that "Kzinti" is one of the preview options....

    I find this most intriguing. ;) So you noted this at the Tailor? And were you on Federation or Klingon faction when you spotted it? Was the name, Kzinti, listed as a uniform variant?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Psi'a Meese wrote:
    While it's nice that some don't feel Kzinti have a place in Star Trek history, what about this?



    I find this most intriguing. ;) So you noted this at the Tailor? And were you on Federation or Klingon faction when you spotted it? Was the name, Kzinti, listed as a uniform variant?

    I was making fleet uniforms on a Klingon, and noticed the Kzinti option in the preview options.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    J-Lau wrote:
    On a side note however, anyone notice that both the Gorn and the Kzinti were Federation allies in SFB/SFC?

    Correct, but SFB also has a history that is totally incompatible with that of regular 'Trek.:)

    http://www.starfleetgames.com/sfb/sfin/general_war.htm
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    SHARKFORCE wrote: »
    They were,but nowhere is mentioned if they became a member or not.....

    Yep, and why does everyone assume that just because they applied they were also accepted?
    The Kesprytt were rejected or "postponed", just like the Angosians.

    And considering that at the end of "Lonely Among us" one of the Selay delegates is missing and the ship's chef has been asked to broil reptile...umm yeah those are surely the folks you want to have around.
    Wouldn't it be hilarious if the Klingons got both of them?
    I'd imagine an "incident" of the delegates eating one another before the conference even begins would spark a conflict between the Selay and Anticans, which could be ended by the Klingon mediators far more effectively since they understand the concept of a blood feud far better than anyone else.:)
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