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Ok i am normaly not someone cryinf for the devs but my tolerance has come to an end.
Some minutes ago i got my 500 day Jupiter Veteran Uniform.
But i couldn't belive what i saw.
Please, just look for yourself:
The Front
The Back
Why is it so hard to make just some plain, simple and good looking uniforms instead of that mess we always get?
Why are there different color palettes being used, couldn't we just get more color slots?
Sorry devs, for the time you invested for another useless uniform.
Sorry if it sounds a bit rude, but i am really angry and anoyed right now.
I was really looking forward to that uniform, maybe even more that to the Jupiter 3 one.
Why do you guys think that everything has to be filled with useless details?
I mean some details are perfectly ok, but that whole uniform consists solely of details (ok, the 200 day (?) Veteran uniform is even worse).
Playing STO isn't really fun anymore, if the only things we (will) get are ugly ships (Enterprise -F), ugly Uniforms (this one and the Jupiter series), and that botched up ground combat.
Live long and prosper.
Some minutes ago i got my 500 day Jupiter Veteran Uniform.
But i couldn't belive what i saw.
Please, just look for yourself:
The Front
The Back
Why is it so hard to make just some plain, simple and good looking uniforms instead of that mess we always get?
Why are there different color palettes being used, couldn't we just get more color slots?
Sorry devs, for the time you invested for another useless uniform.
Sorry if it sounds a bit rude, but i am really angry and anoyed right now.
I was really looking forward to that uniform, maybe even more that to the Jupiter 3 one.
Why do you guys think that everything has to be filled with useless details?
I mean some details are perfectly ok, but that whole uniform consists solely of details (ok, the 200 day (?) Veteran uniform is even worse).
Playing STO isn't really fun anymore, if the only things we (will) get are ugly ships (Enterprise -F), ugly Uniforms (this one and the Jupiter series), and that botched up ground combat.
Live long and prosper.
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We have not even had a rank sash for LTG or MG....
We have very little in the way of customizing our ships...
The bridges all look the same.....different lighting and a console color change....
We have major problems with customizing the hair and appearance of our KDF toons as well.....
We have nothing to make our toons look like what we would like our toons to look like from the TOS series, movies, TNG and other series/movies as well.....
In my opinion, the fed side even with the 'ugly things' is in far better shape than we will ever be in...
so...where's my LTG sash btw?......
But since i am not very interested playing my KDF character, you should understand that KDF customization options are not MY biggest concern.
TBH, you are free to start your own thread concerning missing KDF customization.
Live long and prosper.
Well, the point I am trying to make is that you have 1 lemon or 2 in your bunch...not much more...whilst on the other hand....... so it does no good to have a thread such as this after the uniform has come out. I have seen no precendent for them to go back and change a veteran uniform or any other uniform thus-far.... (example being the threads and threads of requests to change the TWOK uniforms to be correctly done...but that has to do with liscensing...yes I know what you were thinking).
Anyway,
I think the uniforms were well-done. There are a couple of the variations that look as though they have too much going on for them. I know they are adding the ability to change materials on the upcoming season so perhaps that shall do something for you.
The look of the uniform while taking and adding certain colors or having the ability of adding 4 colors on a uniform tunic is a bit busy, but taking and using 2 colors (of your own selection) seems for me to take care of the problem.
I personally like the uniforms...I have them on some of my toons...yes I play the Fed too... *gasp*, to include a new toon..... I think that they look nice, the concensus of most people I know are that they are nice but you are welcomed to your own opinion...considering you have not attacked anybody else's opinion or viewpoint.....or work... it's ok to not like it... Tell you what, even I do not like the 200 day jacket, it looks like it ought to be burned on a fire started by a flaming bag of targ poo....(lol...jk)...but that's my opinion....
It's not a bing thing i am talking about just some strange looking stripes, maybe they could be made less pronounced or something like that.
The problem is that if i choose red for example some parts of that uniform don't become red but nearly pink!
(Just look at the small bright stripe on the shoulders, a similar problem like at the Jupiter 3 uniform.)
The devs have done those uniforms while thinking that everyone want them to have black or grey.
It's the same as with the Excelsior or the Assualt Cruisers they are (theoreticly) the best fitting ships for my playstyle but having one of them 100% of the time directly in front of my nose makes me choke.
My point is this uniform COULD look really cool but those small things ruins it for me completely.
Unecessary stuff like that make me want to see less and less of this game.
Lol, if it where up to me the KDF could get all this stuff if i could get just one or two really good looking Uniforms and some good looking (and usable) ships.
Live long and prosper.
As for the rest of the aforementioned post....I think everything looks cool, you are entitled to your own opinion, as am I...
Protective padding. Motorcyclists have a similar concept to protect their bodies in the case of crashing. It can apply the same to kinetic damage with Starfleet officers.
I myself like the padding because it gives a more protective feel to it. But that's my opinion. I don't really care about aesthetics more than realism. It is logical to have that kind of stuff on a Starfleet uniform.
I actually like that. Can't wait to hit 500 days now, first time I've seen the vet reward up close.
As for the different palettes being used, it looks as though it's two different materials so the colours are going to look different whether it's the same colour or not.
And as for your list of things to not like in STO, that seems a bit harsh (and entirely subjective). I like the new uniforms. The Enterprise F isn't the prettiest thing in space, but it's not that bad and the new Ground combat is awesome.
I just don't get why having a uniform that's not %100 to your liking makes STO any less fun to play, especially when there are so many others to choose from.
Yes, but those bright stripes just bother me. I just think that it look strange that my captain wears a uniform with pink stripes on it.
If this where the only uniform with that flaw i wouldn't have started this thread, but shortly before that, the Jupiter series came out and the Jupiter 3 uniform has a similar bright stripe.
Well as you probably know we all have a long barren time (nearly) behind us, and i was really looking forward to exactly these two uniforms and BOTH have such a distasteful bright stripe.
That made me going through the roof.(i hope thats the right expression)
Thats just a matter of feeling, no one understands that, neither do i.:)
I am glad that you like that uniform, i for myself have gotten used to it.
I just use for command now dark blue, i know that isn't very star trek -ish but running around with a pink colored uniform just looks rediculus.
And besides their flaws, the Veteran uniform is still the best looking original Cryptic uniform IMHO.
Thats why i was so annoyed, because some of cryptics designs aren't looking that bad at all, but there is always a small element that makes me mad.
(Bright stripes, holes in pylons, stuff like that)
Btw, i still don't like those stripes on the back, it's supposed to be a uniform and no biker jacket.:mad:
And i think it's more like three or four different materials, combined with those stripes on the back, it looks more like a combat suit than a Fleet uniform.
If i wanted to make the uniform look like it was made of several different materials i would have colored it that way myself, but there is no way to make them double-colored (Red and Black) without making the uniform bright red or pink (or having said pink stripe). Why is that?
Just for the sake of "coolness" this basicly nice uniform, has just too many restrictions that wouldn't be needed if the designers would have given US the choice on how we want it to look.
Thats what i find really annoying.
Live long and prosper.
Most of the existing current timeline uniforms have that feature. Why would the jupiter be different?
Live long and prosper.
But that's just a nitpick and I can do without.
Are my screens calibrated differently from anybody elses?
This is not an attempt to bash the OP, I really want to know, cause it really looks red for me and not pink.
Maybe the material is more reflcetive than the rest...
It is not that this uniform would be ugly or so, i could even ignore the tape stuff on the back but that stripe annoys me the more i see it.
EDIT:
On tribble, if i choose matte as texture material, the bright stripe is even more noticable and it is clearly much brighter then any other color on that uniform.
Live long and prosper.
But....
Can we get a more traditional Uniform next time? One that isn't made of leather and plastic? You know... cloth! Wild as it seems.
I love the cloth texturing on the latest incarnations of the canon uniforms. With the new high resolution tech maybe you can make them look even more realistic with even finer textures.
Live long and prosper.
http://stoisite.weebly.com/uploads/6/7/4/3/6743864/1217888.jpg?602
have you considered that you might just be using stupid color options?
seems to be intended to be black + gray, not red.
if you don't use the chrome *bling* version then i guess the upper part is supposed to be colored in Red/Gold/Blue, not the lower.
So why not try it DS9 style instead of TNG style?
you ask for more color options (?) in the OP, but maybe the problem is that you have used custom colors to begin with?
...not saying that they couldn't fix what you are asking for, but i guess it would help your case if you edit the OP in a way that the dev's actually understand what you want to tell them, i at least don't ... all i get is something about 2 lines that you don't seem to like and a low res screenshot where ...i at least ...can't see a problem?
I don't know if my choices are "stupid", but i would like it.
Because i don't like the DS9 style that much.
No i don't ask for more color options, my point is that there are several different color palettes being used, which makes it nearly impossible to create a single-colored uniform (besides the shoulder parts).
Btw. what do you mean with custom colors?
Arent all colors somehow custom, as soon as you change them?
EDIT:
no i don't ask for more color options, i ask (beg) that the devs change some uniforms (the 500 day verteran and the Jupiter series) to use just ONE color palette.
Live long and prosper.
Yes I know. And I don't think it looks very good. It doesn't change the material, it just removes the "interaction" with light sources. Same material, same color, just flat no reflections...
When the announced new material options I hoped the options would be cloth, leather, plastic or something. Only now it's matte plastic or glossy plastic...
because if these options would be missing... it would result in huge rage on the Forums?
//ok i just jumped on Tribble testing around a bit...
and i think i found your error...
this is how it is supposed to look like, you just made everything red,
the lines on the back are bump mapping reflections,
that is why the red looks a bit pink-ish ...i think
only on the shoulders the color is a bit brighter... is that what you mean?
if that is it... then i did not see that on your picture.
So if the coloring is supposed to look like on your pictures, i still don't get why that §$%&$§% stripe has to be so bright.
I don't think it's an error at all, i fear that it is intended that way.
That's what really annoys me, the designers didn't care for other colors (or the TNG color scheme) they just asumed that everyone takes grey, they even asumed that everyone wants to have their fragmentational stripes.
(I say grey, because that color on the shoulder pads is in no way real black IMO)
Let's asume they would have decided to use the same color palette and reflection quality on all layers or uniform parts.
We still could have made a uniform they intended, but we would have also more freedom to create a different styled uniform. So i think they just didn't care about giving us as much customization options at all, their main concern seems to make a uniform that looks good on some pictures.:mad:
@Timelord_Victorious
I was a bit dissappointed too, i was hoping for the same thing as you, different kinds of material but not just glossy or matte.
It's funny, because if you set the Graphics to minimum you get a similar effect.
Live long and prosper.
Exactly! I suspect the "material" effect is nothing more than a reduced lighting quality on the uniform. I don't suppose a dev can confirm this?
Think I figured out the problem.
in fact it's the exact same red as the rest of the uniform. What's different about that stripe is, that it lacks texture.The missing honeycomb pattern results in less "black shades" intermixed with the red and makes it look lighter to you on the whole.
Take a look here. The devs can't adjust the color here cause it already is the right one. They could however add the missing textures to fix it.
BTW what do you think about my version of the uniform?
Edit: Just double checked on the Jupiter 3 uniform. it's the exact same thing. It's teh same shade of red just without the "leather" texture aplied on the strip in question. Except in this case it's an obvious design choice. Not so sure about the veteran uni.
If you look veeery closely,, that they didn't really add any layers to the uniform, just "painted" the textures over the base colored uniform geometry.
it's a similar trick make-up artists use to simulate high cheek bones on a plain round face, or eye shadows...
That sound not realy hard IMHO.
Nice.
This is an excellent analysis IMHO.
If it was a design choice then someone in the design team should buy some glasses. LoL
Seriously, they couldn't just assume that everyone would choose black as the main color on the Jupiter 3 uniform...sorry, i just cannot comprehend what they where thinking.
I mean especially when designing a uniform in STO, the responsible designer should think about making a uniform to look good in all, or as many, colors as possible IMHO.
Again, thank you for your brilliant analysis.
Btw, i would love to know what the responsible designer has to say about this..
Live long and prosper.
But it looks like I effectively ended the thread?
I didn't intend to.
I always hate to be the thread killer!
Quick, continue the discussion!
I just can say that i am going to look three or four times before i buy something like the jupiter series again, and since the 500 day veteran uniform was somehow for free, there is nothing to be said.
I just found it sad that the uniform designers limit those uniforms with really unnecessary restrictions, while on the other hand, they could look so good without them.
It's just irritating.:mad:
So either the devs decide to do something about it or not.
(But i wouldn't count on it.)
Live long and prosper.
My goal is to match the VA coat as closely as possible. I can get pretty close, but so long as that stripe remains so much darker, I can't quite get it.
Btw. the Belt is much to bright.
I used the "material" matte, which is just a reduced graphic seting IMO.
That uniform should be completely Black, i used the darkest black everywhere, just to show that the different sections of that uniform use different color palettes.
For reference:
"Matte"
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g420/Yreodred/Star%20Trek%20Online/Jupiter3reference001.jpg
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g420/Yreodred/Star%20Trek%20Online/Jupiter3reference002.jpg
"Glossy"
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g420/Yreodred/Star%20Trek%20Online/Jupiter3referenceglossy001.jpg
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g420/Yreodred/Star%20Trek%20Online/jupiter3referenceglossy004.jpg
I just don't understand why we cannot choose for ourselves what color we want to use.
Just because some designer thinks that this uniform looks better if some pieces of that uniform are darker and some not, doesn't mean that everyone likes that.
If they would have just used just ONE color palette instead, we had much more possibilities when coloring this uniform and we could still be able to color that uniform in that way the designer intended.
Live long and prosper.