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Federation Pimp Coat?!!

SystemSystem Member, NoReporting Posts: 178,019 Arc User
edited June 2011 in Klingon Discussion
The Federation gets a Klingon Pimp Coat before any Warrior of the Empire?!!!

Seriously?!









Reference: Doomsday Device Holo Emitter
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    The Federation was given our Bat'leths, our cloaking devices, our universal bridge slots, our orion slave chicks. The KDF has been carefully stripped of everything unique that might possibly lure new players over.

    So are you really surprised they got a Swordmaster Greatcoat before we did?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    The Federation was given our Bat'leths, our cloaking devices, our universal bridge slots, our orion slave chicks. The KDF has been carefully stripped of everything unique that might possibly lure new players over.

    So are you really surprised they got a Swordmaster Greatcoat before we did?

    Wait... What? Could ya fill in the few people who haven't got around to doing the Doomsday Device mission remastered yet? :p
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    The Federation was given our Bat'leths, our cloaking devices, our universal bridge slots, our orion slave chicks. The KDF has been carefully stripped of everything unique that might possibly lure new players over.

    So are you really surprised they got a Swordmaster Greatcoat before we did?

    You left out the bloodwine.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    So are you really surprised they got a Swordmaster Greatcoat before we did?

    Are you serious? Is this something that came with the new 'remastered' mission?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    It's a temporary effect during the mission. It's not a permanent or customizable reward.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Wow, what a silly complaint. Sorry but it´s a holo-emitter used to infiltrate a klingon facility, it´s not even an item. :rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Ashur1 wrote:
    Wow, what a silly complaint. Sorry but it´s a holo-emitter used to infiltrate a klingon facility, it´s not even an item. :rolleyes:

    It being a real item or not is not the complaint. The heart of the injury is that the KDF players have been asking for an in game costume item since head-start. Well over a year later it isn't even in the long term agenda but Feds will be 'wearing' it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Anyone remember this?
    Monthar wrote: »
    Actually the Feds will probably see that we asked for them, decide they want them too and get them before we do.
    Wow. He was right on the money too.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Capulet wrote: »
    It being a real item or not is not the complaint. The heart of the injury is that the KDF players have been asking for an in game costume item since head-start. Well over a year later it isn't even in the long term agenda but Feds will be 'wearing' it.

    Well, i´m the last person to say that the KDF has been treated well content-wise. But this flickering holo-emitter that is turned on for like five minutes is really not worth being angry about. :)

    Btw why do all holograms flicker ? It kind of defeats their purpose.... :D
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Ashur1 wrote:
    Well, i´m the last person to say that the KDF has been treated well content-wise. But this flickering holo-emitter that is turned on for like five minutes is really not worth being angry about. :)

    Btw why do all holograms flicker ? It kind of defeats their purpose.... :D

    I agree... The complaint seems quite silly... It's like complaining over that we have a holoemitter for species 8472, but the people who want a faction, didn get it yet.

    The holograms obviously only flicker for allies... cause I was standing right next to a squad of KDF when the hologram flickered, and they seemed unaffected by this.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Ashur1 wrote:
    Well, i´m the last person to say that the KDF has been treated well content-wise. But this flickering holo-emitter that is turned on for like five minutes is really not worth being angry about. :)

    Btw why do all holograms flicker ? It kind of defeats their purpose.... :D

    Yes they all flicker.

    Though i can understand you personally aren't upset about it, there are some who feel differently about it due to the personal experience with the issue. The item is in game, has been since release. When players asked for it they were told they were getting something cooler. Shoulder armor that would 'evolve'.

    Requests died down in anticipation over what was thought to be by some, shoulder armor that after a veteran sub mark was reached could have a cloak type attachment to it. Or at least something similar to it. The re-skinned Romulan 'cape' was not expected at all so the requested for the Captain Kruge style cloak or Dahar Master coat rekindled.

    Within it's wake a remastered federation mission gives starfleet the Dahar Master coat; albeit for a disguise. Somebody when doing this remaster mission planning should have stopped and thought "oh snap, the klingons want this uniform, this may come across as a proverbial slap in the face". that's it, right there. I don't think I can spell it out more clearly without going into a full on documentary. ;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    i believe that the point of this complaint is not that the federation has the holo emitter, but rather that cryptic has a functioning working player model for a uniform the KDF faction has asked for over a year ago and many times since and rather than grant the KDF access to this highly desired uniform they first give it to the federation albeit temporarily. the fact is that cryptic has what we wanted working fully and would rather give the feds a copy than grant a single KDF wish.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    i believe that the point of this complaint is not that the federation has the holo emitter, but rather that cryptic has a functioning working player model for a uniform the KDF faction has asked for over a year ago and many times since and rather than grant the KDF access to this highly desired uniform they first give it to the federation albeit temporarily. the fact is that cryptic has what we wanted working fully and would rather give the feds a copy than grant a single KDF wish.

    I've now played the mission... The model was in-game prior to this mission. It has not been shown on a "Player Model", so to speak. The disguise does not change the clothes of your character - it essentially replaces them with a default NPC (Which is wearing the jacket). The jacket is not functioning as an independant object of the costume... I do agree that Klingons should get this jacket, many other requested objects and more content but I (Personally) see no issue here. The jacket is not permanent and is not customisable. It is not being granted to the character... It's a part of a whole non-changeable costume - like the Breen/Reman costume.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Expect one to hit the C-Store anytime now, the cost? your SOUL!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Fewzz wrote: »
    Expect one to hit the C-Store anytime now, the cost? your SOUL!

    Sadly, even the c-store hates the klingons. I´m not really sure it would be a wise decision to put heaps of klingon stuff into the c-store. :(
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    I've now played the mission... The model was in-game prior to this mission. It has not been shown on a "Player Model", so to speak. The disguise does not change the clothes of your character - it essentially replaces them with a default NPC (Which is wearing the jacket). The jacket is not functioning as an independant object of the costume... I do agree that Klingons should get this jacket, many other requested objects and more content but I (Personally) see no issue here. The jacket is not permanent and is not customisable. It is not being granted to the character... It's a part of a whole non-changeable costume - like the Breen/Reman costume.


    Should add that it's also completely random. I was in a group with three males, and the "swordmaster" costume was randomly given, and changed with each map transition.

    Again, this is not an equippable or customizable item. This is an effect which transforms you into a standard NPC. This thread is like complaining because UFP and KDF got transformed into Devidians by Q.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Ashur1 wrote:
    Well, i´m the last person to say that the KDF has been treated well content-wise. But this flickering holo-emitter that is turned on for like five minutes is really not worth being angry about. :)

    I think the (valid) point made is that the model is working on a player's body. Meaning the item can easily be made available to KDF warriors since it is proven to work.
    Ashur1 wrote:
    Sadly, even the c-store hates the klingons. I´m not really sure it would be a wise decision to put heaps of klingon stuff into the c-store.

    Only my personal opinion, I would not be surprised how much stuff could "fly off the shelf" if it was made available to KDF players through the C-store. Probably a good potential source of revenue....
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    red_shirt_ wrote: »
    I think the (valid) point made is that the model is working on a player's body. Meaning the item can easily be made available to KDF warriors since it is proven to work.

    Not quite; it changes your overall apperance to an NPC that normally wears it. Player Outfits need to be able to adjust to the wide variety of body sizes and other customizations the player can make. And that is not as easy as one would think.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    The Federation gets a Klingon Pimp Coat before any Warrior of the Empire?!!!

    Seriously?!









    Reference: Doomsday Device Holo Emitter

    Not to mention they debut Klingon OPERA ... in a fed mission.

    Seriously ... this is the first time in a long, long, LONG time I'm tempted to rage.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    Cursix wrote:
    Not quite; it changes your overall apperance to an NPC that normally wears it. Player Outfits need to be able to adjust to the wide variety of body sizes and other customizations the player can make. And that is not as easy as one would think.

    It's pretty easy to accomplish this feat in ... their other game that uses the same engine. Champions. With trenchcoats, capes of all shapes and sizes, and wings, lots of wings.

    But oh well.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    This doesn't bode well for the inclusion of the inevitable Federation Carrier, the Universal Federation BO slots and of course, the ship wide cloak. ;) All the while dressed-up like pimps!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    I've now played the mission... The model was in-game prior to this mission. It has not been shown on a "Player Model", so to speak. The disguise does not change the clothes of your character - it essentially replaces them with a default NPC (Which is wearing the jacket). The jacket is not functioning as an independant object of the costume... I do agree that Klingons should get this jacket, many other requested objects and more content but I (Personally) see no issue here. The jacket is not permanent and is not customisable. It is not being granted to the character... It's a part of a whole non-changeable costume - like the Breen/Reman costume.

    I hate to admit it but davdson here is right. It is not a costume piece that you wear it is a NPC. The toon I played it on is as short as possible and extremely stocky with the longest arms possible, (think orangutan), the holoemitter made him look like a tall skinny warrior on the ship and a tall old fat Dahar Master, (complete with gray hair), on the ground. It is not a costume piece it is a NPC skin. Still they should add it to the game as a costume piece. That would be epic.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    I have to agree with the poster who complained that the Fed had everything the Klinks have, and I am equally .... frustrated. I'm in the process of trying to level up a Klingon, and it feels like a Fed in Klink clothing with much less to do.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    As I understand, the rationale for the Klingon heavy content in the new remastered episodes is an attempt to drive more players trying out KDF characters. Basically, t hey see the "pimp coat" for 5 minutes and want to have it again - so they create a KDF char...

    Well, that's their marketing theory at least. Will it work? Who knows. There are people playing this game concerned they cannot get a free cosmetic shuttle pet available witht he latest marketing move...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2011
    i believe that the point of this complaint is not that the federation has the holo emitter, but rather that cryptic has a functioning working player model for a uniform the KDF faction has asked for over a year ago and many times since and rather than grant the KDF access to this highly desired uniform they first give it to the federation albeit temporarily. the fact is that cryptic has what we wanted working fully and would rather give the feds a copy than grant a single KDF wish.


    It is this, simply....
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    As I understand, the rationale for the Klingon heavy content in the new remastered episodes is an attempt to drive more players trying out KDF characters. Basically, t hey see the "pimp coat" for 5 minutes and want to have it again - so they create a KDF char...

    Well, that's their marketing theory at least. Will it work? Who knows. There are people playing this game concerned they cannot get a free cosmetic shuttle pet available witht he latest marketing move...

    Since the coat in question is not available on the klingon side, I don't see how it could possibly work.

    Step 1- Play fed mission with awesome coat.
    Step 2- Notice awesome coat.
    Step 3- Make a klingon to get awesome coat.
    Step 4- Notice there is no awesome coat.
    Step 5- Go back to your fed.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    As I understand, the rationale for the Klingon heavy content in the new remastered episodes is an attempt to drive more players trying out KDF characters. Basically, t hey see the "pimp coat" for 5 minutes and want to have it again - so they create a KDF char...

    Well, that's their marketing theory at least. Will it work? Who knows. There are people playing this game concerned they cannot get a free cosmetic shuttle pet available witht he latest marketing move...

    If that is their theory, it is doomed to failure.

    If you advertise something that doesn't exist yet, people will walk into the shop, see there's nothing there, and walk out again. Advertising only works when you've got something to sell.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    superchum wrote: »
    Since the coat in question is not available on the klingon side, I don't see how it could possibly work.
    Since launch all of the unique things that the Empire had to offer: Bat'Leths, our Cloaking Devices, our Universal Bridge Slots, Orion Slave Chicks, have been taken from us and given to the Federation.

    So it's not just that the Federation has received more and more content while the Empire's been neglected, it's that the Empire has been systematically looted of all of the unique things that it once had to lure players into at least trying 'Red Side'.

    So now the Empire has nothing to offer that a player can't get more of, and with less bugs, in the Federation.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Since launch all of the unique things that the Empire had to offer: Bat'Leths, our Cloaking Devices, our Universal Bridge Slots, Orion Slave Chicks, have been taken from us and given to the Federation.

    So it's not just that the Federation has received more and more content while the Empire's been neglected, it's that the Empire has been systematically looted of all of the unique things that it once had to lure players into at least trying 'Red Side'.

    So now the Empire has nothing to offer that a player can't get more of, and with less bugs, in the Federation.

    Honestly: the one Ensign Universal slot on the Nebula is nothing compared to our Birds full with it.

    But the Orion slave chicks in the form they are here were never intendet to be Klingon content.
    Just look at it: If i remember correctly, the "Special" costumisation options on Nausicans and Orions were introdruced at the EXACT same moment both became available to Feds.
    And actual Klingons did neighter get unique costumisation nor are the available through diplomatic missions.
    So the real "orion chick" in means of not just beeing a green skined human with no costumisation, is and always was Federation content, we just had the luck to get them too.

    And the Coat... I dont see an issue with beeing able to weat it temproraly in a fed mission.
    But I HAVE an issue with the fact that the one, since beta, most requestet Klingon Costume isnt even INTENDET to be released but the feds get their... felt... 1000th NOT REQUESTET Costume... like that Section 31 thing.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Since launch all of the unique things that the Empire had to offer: Bat'Leths, our Cloaking Devices, our Universal Bridge Slots, Orion Slave Chicks, have been taken from us and given to the Federation.

    So it's not just that the Federation has received more and more content while the Empire's been neglected, it's that the Empire has been systematically looted of all of the unique things that it once had to lure players into at least trying 'Red Side'.

    So now the Empire has nothing to offer that a player can't get more of, and with less bugs, in the Federation.

    So, what we really need is more diffusion of Klingon content to the Federation...We'll take them ove rthrough cultural diffusion...We'll make them into Klingons yet...lol. (sarcasm here of course)...
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