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is there any news on the kdf armour and kits being showable on kdf chars and on uniforms that arnt federation uniforms in the c-store being wearable by kdf races ?. not heard anything on this for ages but last time we asked we were told it was being looked at.
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I haven't heard of anything but if they end up doing it...it really needs to look more like Klingon Battle Armor with weapons and heavy leather and metal plates. This would be cool!
and i know that it was said ow it dont look right on a gorn, well in that case dont give it to the gorn, easy fixed an give gorn a unique look, give them a tank on there ship to sleep in for all i care. im not after unique.
lets look, orions are human models but green, where is the reason for them not having them.
klingons are on the fed side and can wear them on that side, no excuse there.
joined trill are on both sides and fed side can wear them so no excuse.
fed aliens can wear them so no excuse there.
lethans are human models bar there heads which can easily be copied via alien creation on fed side so no excuse there.
aliens on fed side can wear them so no excuse there.
nausicaans are big it is true but no bigger then an alien created char is ever made so beyond them wearing a resp mask were is the reasoning there.
so unless im missing something the entire reason that kdf cannot wear armour an stuff like formal wear an merc set is because the gorn look funny in them, please for the love of all thats holy dont say thats the reason.
its easy with common sense, if sash's interfear with arour and kits, hide sashes when u wear armour or kits.
The Klingon faction has more diverse species than the Federation and when we put the off-duty uniforms on say, a Gorn, it didn't look appropriate. We instead decided that instead of trying to make "neutral" casual looks that all species could wear (a challenging design task), we would intead focus on creating species specific clothing options. This is why we have been working on unique garments for Orions, and a complete overhaul of the Gorn. Ultimately, we want to remove the concept of "off-duty" uniforms and just have "outfits" that are appropriate to your faction and species.
i honestly do not see how kdf has a more diverse races then the federation when one of the fed races is a big cat, another looks like a lethen an both factions share klingon and joined trill and both use alien creation, orions are basically humans apart from the males that have a plate oin there heads.
im more then happy you are going to remove the need for off duty uniforms but hows about just throwing armour and kits and off duty stuff to the races that on the fed side can wear them and to species like orions that are basically humans.
They are barely aestetically fitting on the Feds.
What do you think those things, that glow in the dark, would make us look stupid?
The only kind of kits that make sense on a Klingon are dark leather bags with leather and metal straps.
Everything else screams "circus".
This is an example of what kind of "kits" we need:
http://www.shadowdalecreations.com/Kruge_1.jpg
Weapon holster, bag containing a tricorder, perhaps another bag on the other thigh and one attached to the belt, placed above the lower back.
The latter two for some tools and additional scanners.
We can already add something that resembles small bags to the front of our chest, even though the character editor calls it some kind of armor.
I use those on my tactical to simulate grenade satchels.
There is no need for holographic immersion-killers and Ghostbuster-style kits like the Feds have.
The higher the tier you go with the Fed kits, the more stupid they look.
Something simple, elegant and functional that doesn not need to look different with each new tier would suffice.
btw im more then happy that you dont want to wear them but you know what. if its an OPTION then you have the OPTION not to show them dont you.
and if i have the option to wear a formal dress or a formal suit on my orion fem or join trill who are both in the kdf then i would use that option.
And when you stop to think about it you'll notice that the uniforms all the KDF races
use right now might not be the Klingon unforms but the aestetic is still rather similar.
And you really want to put something like this
http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/gamelife/2010/01/star_trek_online.jpg
onto a Gorn, Nausicaan or anybody else?
What we need are kits that show, no argument there.
I DID NOT SAY WE DON'T NEED KITS AT ALL, I SAID WE DON'T NEED THE STUPID KITS THE FEDERATION HAS.
But we need kits that look like kits and not like walking lanterns, regardless of whether it's a Klingon, Nausicaan, Gorn or Alien.
We need options, but we don't need the options the Feds have.
so even though u might think they look stupid or ghostbuster it is your choice to not show them, just like its your choice not to show aegis set or borg set or the remen shields if you feel they dont look right.
and it took them a year to unlock 2 zones to us with 3 sorties in it and i think the only reason they did that was because the weeklys were going there so if a team is set on doing our armour and kits how long do you think that will take, i mean seriously do we even have a 200 day reward yet as kdf besides a title.
We can request they make the current kits visible.
That will look unappealing and probably cause a flamewar from those who think they look stupid.
Which will mean the devs will eventually have to invest resources a second time to change their appearance.
OR
We can request they make new kits that fit the faction, fit characters that seem to have a problem with them right now (like the Gorn for whatever reason) and make it right the first time around instead of the second time.
Especially since it's reasonable to assume when they need to go two rounds to get it right, it will take longer than going at it only once.
ur also suggesting that the kdf playerbase would create a flamewar if cryptic came out and said.
we know you guys havnt had the option to wear or not wear armour since release, so what we are going todo is unlock the option to wear the armour and kits available at this time. we are working on your own sets that will be available once they have been worked on fully and we hope you enjoy these kits and gears until that time when the new kits and gear have been fully tested, we are also unlcoking the option to not just purchase items like formal wear and merc packs from c store but they fact you can wear them will allow you to more roleplay and have dance partys etc. hope you enjoy and we will be back in touch with the news on the new armour and kits we are designing.
ye i can see how that would create a flamewar.
YES we've seen it, we have precedence for that and if and when Cryptic did what you're proposing exactly that would happen AGAIN.
Some people, certainly not all, would complain that adding the existing kits is not enough and the KDF needs their own kits.
It has happened before so don't tell me I'm fantasizing.
I was there, I read the threads, I posted in several of them.
Did you miss all that?
If that's how you want to misinterpret something because you don't like what I'm saying, I'm done discussing with you.
let me know how i am mis reading this. and for the record, we were promised a huge update on pve content when the kar'fi and we stupidly thought we were getting diplomatic too and then low an behold we got 8 missions an the feds got a few more missions and diplomatic a whole mini game within itself with rewards etc an we felt truly shafted and that is what created the flamewar then.
Some of the low level kits on the Fed side are not that bad and I'm sure they could use some of them with a few mods to make them work for the KDF. The mercenary pack from the C-Store has a few things they could use with a few mods. Maybe something like a combat vest with tactical gear and pouches should be added for Alien, Orion and Trill as visible kits/armor. We just need to keep some things separate when it comes to the factions...and I feel that most of the kits and armor are a little too...unique for the KDF.
We have something better than the Feds when it comes to customization though, each species has their own outfits (or will one day).
on my orion fem the armour and kit would look alot more fitting then tight leather trousers and a bra, cos lets be honest u dont see many people going into major combat an wondering if there going to get tan lines.and there is no way on this planet a klingon armour set looks good on humanoids.
it dont look amazing on klingons cos lets be honest its not changed in how many hundreds of years, you can watch the 1st ever episode of star trek that klingons were in and the latests episide of ds9 that klingons were in an there ain a huge difference, well maybe on the 1st episiode they wore a jumper but im talkin about proper klingons where they look like our klingons not humanish before they got the money for make up.
the feds have had god knows how many c store uniform kits an options given to them so they look fresh as a daisy all the time, they can swap an change to look like what they want, they can even go into battle in a suit if they wish.
As for the Klingons, there are many canon options they could use that are not even in the game.
The Orions on the other hand are like that though, it's part of their culture to be reveling. But, maybe something like this could be better for the more combat oriented Orion.
Heck the mercenary set should usable with Alien, Trill and Orion toons.
now onto the kdf factions races armour, why hasnt it changed or why they always wear the same thing, cos as a rule people are lazy, if it looks good keep it its obviously working. but here is the thing its not anymore and cryptic shouldnt sit on the lawrels of what has gone before as an excuse not to equal content be it bling bling or seriously usable like ships, we are asking for cosmetic here and not a major revamp of something. hell even if it were only on c-store id buy the damn things. cos i already bought the formal wear for my orion fem but ow ye they didnt add the only usable on federation chars until people said hey what gives this dont work on my kdf.
Perhaps you could start a tread on what you would like to see added to the C-Store for the KDF. If you do I'll be more than happy to post some ideas in there
now im all for the weeklys they are fun, but all the dev time, well lets see, fix endgame properly with true progresion, redo pvp, make pve content an ship for kdf to catch upto fed, that should have been the 1st year objective.
the diplo should have been started to be dev'd about now along with dabo. so should the weeklys, the effort gone into all the stuff would have caught kdf up big time an propably we would have been equal within 6 months of release.
Once we have our own Diplomatic missions, new outfits and hair, a few more ships and customization, species specific content and a few more species with sectors we will be done. The rest will benefit both factions....like PvP for example.
feds care for nothing except feds and new shiny shiny stuff that takes up insane dev time like glow in the dark shields an an nx xv whatever the hell ship model they saw on the back of a wheetos packet when they were 3.
i would love to see that palyerbase numbers for the kdf and the federation, a proper count of active and how many of the kdf playerbase cryptic and the feds content TRIBBLE has driven away.
i personally know 68 peeps who went back to wow cos of the junk the kdf got an they never wanted fed, they wanted pvp but not only pvp. how many full kdf fleets are now full of inacitves god only knows.
All you need is a blueprint and a replicator to make the peice of clothing that you want.
However getting those blueprints for off faction pieces should be the difficult task, random rare loot, quest rewards etc.
And then the game needs a way for NPCs to react to the clothes you are wearing. So that a SF off running aroung in nausicaan battle gear on esd would get a unpleasant surpise for example.
Why do we get away in game with wearing ridicolous outfits? Because no npc cares what you wear.
Best exampel the mission where you meet scotty in the past, no matter what you wear his text is along the lines, funny uniform you are wearing my friend. Doesn't matetr if its a fed in timeframe fitting tos grab or a mostly naked orion metal clad matron.
I would be completely happy for my Klingon toons if this costume was available...would pay CP for it in the store too...AHM ...cough cough...devs.....
My thoughts exactly. Other than the gorn whats the difference. And the gorn aren't even that different, they are just humans with big rubber masks on.
That's why we need Tholians
shoul'dnt be a too hard to put in as we have the in game models already?