whats happening

I've seen a similar thing happen on Morai - but at least the TW map there isn't dominated by a single faction - There's a few factions that are simply too large to be overwhelmed by a few overpowered players. (Requiem, Templer, Revision mainly).

As I recall Crisis started out that way - bunch of strong folk from various factions bundling up together and using the TW map as a draw for members. Seems to be slowly ebbing away now. Similar initiative seems to be Descent - will be interesting to watch what that faction does upon the TW reset. Still, not worried - Morai is populated enough to support large factions.

Servers that aren't so lucky... yea. Once the server top on an almost empty server combines, there's no point in fighting them. That's the final phase in the server's lifecycle before the exodus and shutdown.

coopoor wrote: »

In Playing the arch server now for a few years one faction has managed to run over the server an not one other faction on the server will face them an you can 't blame the other factions either. The faction in question should disband in hopes of making the server an fun place for tw again. The server is being bored to death an people are leaving game but this is what happens when a large percentage of the op people go to one faction an rule the server. They find themselves alone with no one to fight an than wc on how bored they all are.
So guys disband an go to different faction an make arch server fun to play again.

You want everyone from Defiance to merge into another faction to be even more OP? Maybe you want them to join your own faction so it'll be your faction who is winning. b:shocked

That is what most people who do TW want afterall, to win, nothing wrong in that. Unfortunately, no one in Archosaur server wants to put effort into bringing Defiance down. I don't see that as Defiance's fault, it's like asking 'Hey, you are too OP, please roll over and die so my faction can faceroll win instead'.

Nemesis had a good thing going on, they even won TWs against Defiance, even though their faction had lesser numbers. Then their leadership couldn't handle the losses I'd assume because leadership was passed around and shortly after Nemesis disbanded even though they were 2nd strongest faction on the server. Here was the perfect opportunity for a merger, yet Nemesis was divided into two other factions, instead of everyone from Nemesis joining RogueXXX. Had Nemesis and Rogue merged, I'm fairly certain they would have won Defiance in it's current state, but for some reason people didn't want that.

All in all, rolling other weaker factions must be more fun than equal TW, because no matter how much you glorify small faction TWs, one OP geared person has way more impact on a small scale TW than in 80vs80 TW. So in fact, you should blame the OP geared people in smaller factions that they don't unite to take down Defiance instead of enjoying killing lesser geared people left and right. If everyone did unite, that faction would overpower Defiance easily since there must be atleast over 300 rrr9 geared people on Archosaur server as a safe estimate, if not more, but guess it's not going to happen with no one wanting to try even.

lunarstar245 wrote: »

D wants people to gank us and thats why they wont. They dont want to give us fun in hopes we will disband

haha ..

"they"

who is they?

I really feel bad for you guys if you that's what you think.

nobody fights defiance because there is nobody to fight defiance, and, on top of that, even if there were, nobody cares enough to, you're boring, because ..

everybody is either already in your faction, or flipside, or one of the other sheepish hubs in coalition with you that constitutes 99.99% of the server's tw players.

how can it be anyone else's fault when you are the server, you represent the masses of dull wall-flowers that never do or say anything remotely interesting.

"they"

what they?

if you mean the few bold, the minority among us that actually had a personality, that actually poked fun at ourselves, that actually, unabashedly embraced losing TW's for years because we understood the journey and memories are what counted, while the rest of you did everything in your power to avoid a real challenge. is that the "they" you're referring to?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBElHSJTc6g&spfreload=10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBElHSJTc6g&spfreload=10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBElHSJTc6g&spfreload=10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBElHSJTc6g&spfreload=10

lol : )

fghjklasdg wrote: »

Then their leadership couldn't handle the losses I'd assume because leadership was passed around and shortly after Nemesis disbanded even though they were 2nd strongest faction on the server.

Lol. I dont know if you have heard this little thing called "real life"? People get busy with their lives leaving less time for gaming. Why would someone who barely has time to be online, be leading a faction? I can't see how that would work.

Nemesis was disbanded because of that reason, and I don't know about others, but
I, personally, was tired. Tired of trying to make people understand what we were trying to do in Nemesis. Tired of when we finally somehow were having "balanced" TW at some point, Defiance would recruit more ppl just to roll us again. Whats the point in it when its clear that what Nemesis wanted, the rest of the server didnt.
Nemesis wanted fun. Defiance wants "more lands, more coins", sacrificing the fun.
It is how it is, TW on this server is dead now, I hope everyone enjoys the crystal walks.

Roeham - Archosaur wrote: »

so I guess nemesis rolling darkness in 10 min tw's along with all the other small factions they rolled was all for good TW and not for land and coin seemed the 1hr to 1 1/2hr tw with defiance weren't good cause that was just to long b:laugh

Theres a small difference in wanting a few lands to fund your TW costs, than "wanting to rule the whole map and wanting each city to our name. more cities more coins". I'm sure you know TW'ing isnt free
but hey, it's nice to see someone achieving their goals. Too bad it has to kill the TW for the whole server though. I guess the crystal walks can be enjoyable.
Anyway, I'd say we can leave this Nemesis/Defiance thing behind us. Ppl from Nemesis scattered around, Defiance can keep doing what they were doing without having to have any sort of TW.

i dont remember Defiance complaining about ganks, neither have we stopped, rogue, flipside, darkness, nemesis, from merging together and attacking us?

I blame nemesis, when they formed they removed a chunk of people from rogue, making them weak, rogue was growing to be a wise opponent, with ppl like eman and all in there... lol your so called fun TW's didnt last a proper season!! i guess it was fun till it lasted XD but it screwed up the rest of the server!!

you know I have a lot of friends in nemesis but this fantasy that you all wanted good tw is BS never once did nemesis ever atk defiance this season. All nemesis ever did was take land from smaller factions, so don't tell anyone that you wanted good tw. And if they really did want good tw they would have all gone to rogue and then rolled defiance, but instead they they all try to make tw boring for defiance and go to different factions. What happens when that plan doesn't work

Rixoth - Archosaur wrote: »

Nah. Nemesis scattered around because we were done with Defiance. None of us doesnt even want to bother with Defiance anymore, let them have their fun. Having Nemesis around for challenging TW's could of been something that Defiance could of enjoyed too, but well. We all know how that went.
There's only so much one faction can take until people start leaving and getting discouraged. If some pathetic butthurt people want to play dirty and go down that road, this is what happens.
We can play the blame game all we want, and it won't change anything as long as Defiance is around, and thats just how it is. But Nemesis alone is definetly not the reason to this situation atm.

Only if Nemesis had actually scattered around instead of joining Flipside and Rogue only. Fyi not everyone on the server cares whether Defiance is getting TW or not, so if you just wanted to take it out on Defiance, could've just noshowed them or actually scattered around for balanced TW. Now you managed to drag the rest server into this, and because you people didn't have fun TW, then no one on the server can have fun TW. Real sportsmanship there. Even if small factions were minority compared to people in Nemesis and Defiance, you guys aren't any different from Defiance, since now you are rolling weaker factions only with no challenge.

fghjklasdg wrote: »

You quite failed to realize the point here, Nemesis together with Rogue would have rolled Defiance left right and sideways. Yet these 'fun TW seeking people' from Nemesis chose to go out the coward way, because it would've been Rogue beating Defiance and not their own faction. b:surrender

Now us small factions need to suffer thanks to the egos of Nemesis people, because they intentionally chose to kill TW by unbalancing whole server. TW was fun for us others until OP geared people from Nemesis joined two other factions only with their specific friend groups, instead of actually scattering around for balanced TW.



b:shocked Must be OP cashshoppers in Defiance who can make PWI increase max amount of players in TW of one faction from 80 to 100? Or to 150 even? So they can recruit more to roll with numbers.

fghjklasdg wrote: »

Only if Nemesis had actually scattered around instead of joining Flipside and Rogue only. Fyi not everyone on the server cares whether Defiance is getting TW or not, so if you just wanted to take it out on Defiance, could've just noshowed them or actually scattered around for balanced TW. Now you managed to drag the rest server into this, and because you people didn't have fun TW, then no one on the server can have fun TW. Real sportsmanship there. Even if small factions were minority compared to people in Nemesis and Defiance, you guys aren't any different from Defiance, since now you are rolling weaker factions only with no challenge.

First of all, I think you are representing Darkness here? Just a guess, I might be wrong, even if I'm not you will say I am but that's besides the point of this thread.

Anyways, from what I can tell, you sir, are either someone who doesn't really care about TW that much or just lack the info/knowledge about it. To say that Rogue could have beaten Defiance as easy as you put it or defeat them at all is utter BS. Even if the people that joined Flipside had also joined Rogue we still wouldn't have been able to beat them. Reason for that simply being that Rogue only managed to pull 20-30 max before Nemesis went there. Even with the other players they would 'only' have 60-70 in TW which would consist of 1/2 RRR9 and the other half N3 or lower. While Defiance can fill a TW with just RRR9's, 60/80 if they are having a very bad weekend. That fact alone + other factors which I won't discuss on here (you should know these if you know (a little bit) how every TW faction on the server works) is enough to make your statement, as mentioned before, complete BS.
Having said all that, you can't expect a faction leader to force people where to go if he/she decides to stop doing TW for various reasons. If some people want to go to Rogue, others to Flipside or darkness or whatever other faction it is their choice. If they think they'll have fun there than that is what they have to do.



As for the second comment......
Let's say we had done that, what then? Every faction on the map right now would have gotten like 5-10 members max, 10 being very unlikely. It would have ended up the same way as things are now. Add 5 people on each side of a 50 v 50 TW and it'll be 55 v 55, same numbers, same results. Also, the reason most of us went to Flipside and Rogue was because we hoped to have fun TW's between the two of us. But if of course certain alts from a certain faction decide to all join one of those factions, things get unbalanced again. Speaking of which, after Rogue's bid this week i would expect Darkness to get alot of alt apps from a certain faction.

Roeham - Archosaur wrote: »

you know I have a lot of friends in nemesis but this fantasy that you all wanted good tw is BS never once did nemesis ever atk defiance this season. All nemesis ever did was take land from smaller factions, so don't tell anyone that you wanted good tw. And if they really did want good tw they would have all gone to rogue and then rolled defiance, but instead they they all try to make tw boring for defiance and go to different factions. What happens when that plan doesn't work

First of all, i want to direct you to what I just said above and to what Rixoth said already about TW not being free. We actually had some good TW's vs Defiance this season, even a 3 hour one which was really fun.

And as far as the fun TW's from Defiance's side go, all I have to say is this:

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Destructoooo - Archosaur wrote: »

Anyways, from what I can tell, you sir, are either someone who doesn't really care about TW that much or just lack the info/knowledge about it. To say that Rogue could have beaten Defiance as easy as you put it or defeat them at all is utter BS. Even if the people that joined Flipside had also joined Rogue we still wouldn't have been able to beat them. Reason for that simply being that Rogue only managed to pull 20-30 max before Nemesis went there. Even with the other players they would 'only' have 60-70 in TW which would consist of 1/2 RRR9 and the other half N3 or lower. While Defiance can fill a TW with just RRR9's, 60/80 if they are having a very bad weekend. That fact alone + other factors which I won't discuss on here (you should know these if you know (a little bit) how every TW faction on the server works) is enough to make your statement, as mentioned before, complete BS.

Nemesis however did beat Defiance in TW? With lesser numbers and lesser gears. Which basically, makes your above statement utter BS and sounds more like a cover up. Adding 20-30 people from Rogue to the whatever amount Nemesis beat Defiance with, and you say that group of people couldn't beat Defiance? Okay, lol.

Destructoooo - Archosaur wrote: »

Having said all that, you can't expect a faction leader to force people where to go if he/she decides to stop doing TW for various reasons. If some people want to go to Rogue, others to Flipside or darkness or whatever other faction it is their choice. If they think they'll have fun there than that is what they have to do.

Leader can't force anyone ofcourse, but whole point why people joined Nemesis was to take down Defiance, or at least it was Nemesis's recruiting point. If Nemesis wanted to, they could have mutually agreed to merge with Rogue in order to take down Defiance and have fun TW. But however, like I pointed out, that wasn't the plan here, which leads to...

Rixoth - Archosaur wrote: »

Defiance can keep doing what they were doing without having to have any sort of TW.

This here however is the true goal of Nemesis people moving to Rogue and Flipside, which I find as pathetic. You want to call yourself as the ones who want to have fun TW? Meanwhile this was obviously intentional to try to boycott Defiance and which resulted in ruining TW for the whole server. You even boast about it as if it is something to be proud of, while you are doing same thing as you claim Defiance does. Rolling weaker factions.

Destructoooo - Archosaur wrote: »

As for the second comment......
Let's say we had done that, what then? Every faction on the map right now would have gotten like 5-10 members max, 10 being very unlikely. It would have ended up the same way as things are now. Add 5 people on each side of a 50 v 50 TW and it'll be 55 v 55, same numbers, same results. Also, the reason most of us went to Flipside and Rogue was because we hoped to have fun TW's between the two of us. But if of course certain alts from a certain faction decide to all join one of those factions, things get unbalanced again. Speaking of which, after Rogue's bid this week i would expect Darkness to get alot of alt apps from a certain faction.

Which makes your this statement utter BS. Nemesis didn't spread out, because plan wasn't to have fun TW, plan was to not give Defiance TW. And if you didn't know that Flipside is Defiance's allied faction, then I truly question your knowledge of TW factions.

woah, he does it again, turns a dead thread likely ignored by everyone into a blossoming flower

half way through reading some of your responses. I'll respond, but, lol, just .. lol.

seriously where do I even begin, there's so much **** to parse through.

most of it is opinionated nonsense so I'll try to brush over that and get to the few respectable points, but even those are hard to find.


:edit: I know what I'm going to do, I'm going to make one huge post quoting each assertion by the lovely roeham, bdoomed, and uh .. sfdsfskfsdfk?

that way you guys can refer to it whenever you're forgetful, which seems to occur with depressing frequency

fghjklasdg wrote: »

Now us small factions need to suffer thanks to the egos of Nemesis people,

Haha .. what smaller factions are 'suffering' that weren't already ‘suffering’ before?

Rogue was losing to Flopside before any Nem joined, and have continued to even after some did.

Flopside was beating Rogue before any Nem joined, and have continued to even after some did.

Darkness was doing Darkness things before any Nem joined, and have continued to even after a few did. Hell, I just heard Darkness beat Rogue in close to an hour, that's good, Rogue is a casual faction and so is Darkness, now they can have fun with each other.

Literally nothing changed except that without Nem around, Flopside is now the second strongest faction. D and Flop can fight each other, there's nothing stopping them. Hell, I'll put an at in Flop if they do. But you guys won't because you're all in bed with each other over the same silly *** internet goals, and it's hilarioussss.

fghjklasdg wrote: »

Nemesis however did beat Defiance in TW? With lesser numbers and lesser gears. Which basically, makes your above statement utter BS and sounds more like a cover up. Adding 20-30 people from Rogue to the whatever amount Nemesis beat Defiance with, and you say that group of people couldn't beat Defiance? Okay, lol.

You're assuming people are even interested in fighting D. The only people that were have now joined the rest of the server and have stopped caring. Anyway, let's dissect this thing. This is how TW's went over a 4-5 week period, from the very first TW where I had any role in helping Nemesis against Defiance after I came back:

Week 1: Nem loses in approx ~1:30 hours; Nem was getting organized, pretty good fight
Week 2: Nem won in a 3:00 hour defense;
Week 3: Nem loses in approx ~2:00 hours; against 6 catas, still a pretty good fight

Side note:

Roeham - Archosaur wrote: »

not one of those tw was nemesis atk defiance

The fact is, Nemesis used to bid on Defiance when sid was their leader and when Nemesis had no shot at winning. But rather than appreciate them for giving you tw's, all you did was give them grief, power recruit, then celebrate when TW's returned to your 20 minute comfort zone.

So now, why would Nemesis - still the weaker faction - bid on Defiance again, when Nemesis was already getting at least one TW a weekend vs them?

It's okay that Nemesis wanted to take lands, build up their faction, and try to win to the extent that it let them grow and become competitive. That's totally reasonable. It's what was happening, and it was good for Nemesis and Defiance members. Here's the difference though between what Nemesis did, and what Defiance routinely does:

Week 4-5: Somewhere in here, Nem loses in 25 minutes; it was so obvious Defiance recruited more players when they were already stronger, including a 105 jaded seeker & co

Week 4-5 brings me to my point. Defiance does it all the time because let's be honest, it's easy to push your advantage when you're already the winning faction. And yet ironically, BDoomed blames Nemesis, see his quote below:

BDoomed - Archosaur wrote: »

when they formed they removed a chunk of people from rogue, making them weak, rogue was growing to be a wise opponent,

One time. Remarkable. How many times has Defiance recruited other faction's best players, like I demonstrated above?

What about when Defiance welcomed in a handful of Nemesis rrr9+10-12s when they were already beating Rogue in 2 1/2 hours, causing TW's to plummet to 20 minutes literally the very next weekend? I was in Rogue then.

Do I even have to bring up Flopside?

Do you see the difference now? It's one thing to try and win or take lands to the extent that it allows you to be competitive with someone, its another to obsess over

BDoomed wrote:

having all the cities in our name

to the point where you can't help it but zerg recruit because in the back of your mind you have this silly goal, and doing so brings you closer to that goal.

Hey, it's your goal, not mine. I have fun, and I share that with a lot of people. See my video : ). Its you who can't just relax and let things be fun and interesting for a while because, well, anyone whose goal is

BDoomed wrote:

having all the cities in our name

is probably a paranoid loser. Word to the wise, It's a video game, take it easy there cupcake.

You and your faction alone are responsible for however bored you become over the next few months of 0 TW's. There is no "they" out there with a mysterious "plan" to get you to disband.

BDoomed - Archosaur wrote: »

I blame nemesis,

BDoomed - Archosaur wrote: »

screwed up the rest of the server!!

I mean, you can keep pretending its Nemesis fault for not being able to recruit enough players or get factions to merge with them but uh, Nemesis isn't around anymore sweetheart.

So .. now that the faction that was ruining the server is gone, things should get better under Defiance’s watch, right? Stronggggg delusions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBElHSJTc6g&spfreload=10


hahahhaha

Roeham - Archosaur wrote: »

You just said earlier that the tw's were good that u had to defend against defiance so how could none be had. What was the bid defiance button broken on nemesis bid screen b:laugh
All I see is that instead of risk losing to defiance it was more important to roll the smaller faction and gain land and money.

Care to explain to me how a 15-20 minutes crystal walk is a good TW for us? I know it's good for you guys because you love them but yea.... And before you try to turn this around on me, we didn't enjoy the crystal walks we did on the weaker factions. But it's still better than losing 2 TW's in a row and having people depressed about it.
Also, if you're really that eager to have good TW's, go attack Flipside already instead of the non defended Nemesis lands/the factions that have 20 people showing for TW. As mentioned by Proski, they are #2 now. You are gonna have to find another place to put all those alts in then though. ^^

Deadulas - Archosaur wrote: »

This thread made me laugh so hard b:chuckle The simple fact is Nemesis didnt care about fun tws, they complain when we roll them, they complain when we have 1hour tw hour and a half tws 3 hours tws it didnt matter. They werent winning they werent happy plain and simple. Then you say Nemesis didnt enjoy rolling darkness yet your tw turn out is even higher against them then defending your own land. Now we all know nem had members to win they proved it before, its not defiance fault your members only show up when it comes to atking weaker factions. Now i understand losing does discourage members from wanting to tw, but instead of doing something about it all I saw was nem members coming to the forums QQ'in about it every week.

Now you say defiance should disband and go to other faction, explain how that should happen? Can we force ppl to join nem? force them to join rogue? you have to realize that alot of ppl in defiance have forged friendships even if we were to disband most would prolly end up in the same faction anyway.

Now on the recruiting, I kept hearing nem say "there no one left to recruit anymore you guys have everyone", yet you then say defiance mass recruit. If ther is no one left to recruit how are we doing it? Where do we keep finding all these OP recruits every week like nem believed we got?. So which is it? You cant say theres no one to recruit then turn around and say omg defiance mass recruit op players.

True, not everyone was happy about losing, but most didn't care about that. There will always be those who can't take one or repeated losses. As for the higher TW turnout against Darkness, I think you have been playing long enough to know how that happens. People get tired of losing over and over against the same opponent, be it on this game or any other. So if there's a change in what happens people will of course want to show to change the pattern. Doesn't matter if we had attacked Darkness, Rogue, Flipside or whatever faction on the map, we would have won from all of them. This left us in the position to either get 2 defeats a week by attacking Defiance or 1 win and 1 loss and keep our members happy. You and I both know as well as many others that TW is about fun mainly but also about 'politics' (aka keeping members happy/be able to fund TW).

Now we could of course do what Teletubies did 2 years ago when Nemesis eventually got stronger than them.... 6-8 Way gank you but where would the fun in that be? No satisfaction to be gained from winning because you ganked someone like that. Though it was very satisfying to win those back in the days, best TW's I've ever had. So yea, that would be satisfying for you maybe, but not for the rest.

Defiance didn't recruit as much as telling their members to put their mains back in Defiance, especially after that 1 loss/3 hour TW that certain people took very bad. The week after that you suddenly had about 10 mains back in Defiance instead of their alts. At that point you had the option to either have good TW's every weekend with Nemesis that could result in either a win or a loss. But instead the leadership decided to get more OP people in so they were sure to not 'lose'/have a 3 hour TW again. If that hadn't happened we probably would have started attacking Defiance not long after. So you telling us we didn't want to have fun TW's against Defiance is like the kettle calling the pot black.

Deadulas - Archosaur wrote: »

Hmm i guess so its not so much nem didnt want fun tw's then, but they valued the happiness of all its members over a fun tw by atking a weaker faction, thats fair to say. Thats no differnt then defiance granted yes we want fun tws too, but we also have ulterior motives as well. One obiviouslly being server champion again, and yes that does mean sacrificing some fun tws. Im not saying nem did anything wrong, but i also dont think its fair to say its all defiance fault, how theres no fun tw on the server. Also defiance didnt make them bring there mains back, they saw fun tw and they choose to put there mains back instead of alts. What we gonna do tell them they cant come back?

obviously we are horrible people and cant allow others to bring mains back!