How Often Do you Spy / SpawnKill in TW?

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I have a big say in Tempest

every1 knows that since the day u guys merged actually b:laugh

beside nothing about this is about dynasty, its what sort of *respect* u had against other guilds

If you dont want to get spawn killed in TW, just dont stay grouped...

DeadlyAlice - Dreamweaver wrote: »

imma be honest all i care is bout gettin my damn panda so untill then KILL EM ALL!!! DRINK THEIR BLOOD!!!!

also funny to read these threads made bout the gank

they didnt send out yet? b:shocked lol

DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Join me in the Hodor faction to take the north next season.

Tempest = Lannisters.
Dynasty = ???
EQ = ???

b:avoid

Winter is coming.

There are too many people that play this game that will not agree to not spawnkill, and will leave a faction that doesn't allow them to do so.

A faction that believes in Fair Play doesn't last long. Anonymity and the desire to be an a-hole to strangers on the Internet usually trumps Honor.

\not that anyone cares, but it's why I don't TW, NW or PvP anymore
\\having a good TW =/= being a spawnkilling jagoff

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Kakumau is generally against spawn killing. Officers and other people involved in the TW decisions will usually tell members to avoid spawn killing. However, we can't control our members, and there has been cases of some members spawn killing.

As for Hoorah, I haven't really gotten involved with the TW stuff, but I think they have no rules against spawn killing. Up until now I've mostly just attended TW whenever possible without involving myself too much with the faction/people.

If I'm TW'ing with Kakumau I will not spawn kill (if I've ever done it I apologise), but if I'm TW'ing with Hoorah I don't have anything again spawn killing. and I might just do it, but I usually prefer to play in defence squads so I don't get in the enemy base as much as offence squads.


TW spying? Not sure if there are people that do it xD

That's funny since you guys have spawn killed in almost every battle we've had. (At least in every TW faction I've been in against you in the past two years or so.)

Meteora does not spawn kill, even if we are evenly balanced, or hugely overpower the opposing faction. We also do not attack after the battle has ended. This is strongly enforced, and any member violating the rule is held accountable. (Unlike Kaku)

Corvinus is really really bad at spawn killing since they lack any sort of strategy and rely entirely on gear and numbers to over-power the weak factions they go against. As near as I can tell, they won't even attack factions that would be on close to equal footing for them because they are afraid to lose.

I haven't seen you personally spawn kill, but to say Kaku doesn't is kind of funny to hear. b:chuckle

SpellDancer - Dreamweaver wrote: »

http://pwi-wiki.perfectworld.com/index.php/Rules_of_Territory_Wars - accessed 10/03/15 (GMT) It doesn't say here spawn killing is bad, it is just heavily frowned upon and, again, in my honest opinion the seals should be replaced with the bubbles you get in Nation War, but extended for a total of 10 seconds. Also note how Conspiracy is against the rules.. just pointing it out.

Are you in insinuating there was a conspiracy? That would mean two or more came together and intended to commit a crime and as far as the 'gank' is concerned I can't see how any rule or ToS was breached. Had there been funding to and/or from the factions involved or in some way it circumvented fair play of the 'system', then perhaps that would have been a conspiracy. Otherwise I see no way in which these rules were breached, voiding any claim of conspiracy.

Sthenith - Dreamweaver wrote: »

As part of a TW faction that didn't attack tempest that weekend, i found it rather odd that 7 factions suddenly decided to attack them all at once.
It was very obvious right from the start that there were collaborations made before TW in order to take lands from 1 faction, which is in a way circumventing the fair play, something clearly stated to be against the rules. But whatever.

Again please read all the rules and ToS intently before trying to quote them. For collaboration to be against the rules it must circumvent the fair play of the system. This does not mean fair play of what the player base thinks is fair play. Nor do I believe this gank was against that kind of fair play either. In fact I'd rather like to hear how you think it is against fair play in this particular instance.

Just wanted to make that clear, as a lot of this misbelief has been going around.

As for it being 7 v s 1, It was clearly a close fight across the board considering only 1 faction won out of the 7. In fact it provided for some fresh TW against new faces on that front. Too many get sidetracked by having copious amounts of land and want to comfortably win every fight, forgetting the whole point we are even there. For fun. This is a game and that is it's purpose.

I'm confident Tempest found it fun, it provided a challenge in terms of power and for their TW co-coordinators. From what I have seen and heard members have rejoined the game due to this gank. The majority of the TW faction members all came together in 1 event other then NW and frankly things like this should happen on such a scale more often.

Sthenith - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Well, then i suggest you start with Kindrid who on several occasions have broken your so-called "rule" of not aoeing spawnpoint. Like was said, it is heavily frowned upon, and it gives any guild that does that a bad name.
If a guild leader cannot control his/her members then that is something that is to blame upon them.

As for spawn killing, I don't believe any faction on dreamweaver condones such an act. As much information and threat that you give out there are always players that cannot resist the urge. Try running a faction of 150+ active players and tell me you can control their every action. Would you like to be the one being restricted? Yes there is respect, and yes reprimands can be made, but only after such 'acts' of in this case spawn killing have been committed. So when 1 idiot in lets say 'Kindrid' just to keep to your topic does an aoe at spawn once, the rest of the 50 members stayed back. That member is removed from faction but everyone to their obviously better judgement calls Kindrid a spawn killing faction. Come on people, we are better then this. Getting tired of entire factions being completely judged on the actions of 1 or 2 members when you can't kick them unless they actually do the action which the faction then associated with. Faction leaders can't predict the future, no matter how much they think they can xD

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver wrote: »

going by history Dynasty leadership seems more like the sulk in the corner and wait for OPs to join kind

Im sorry but i laughed so hard at that phrase!!! yeah...Dyna is the one that recruits only OP people thats why we have so many nuema portals, S cards set people, countless jade people, and all joined together... right!!!
Oh wait... we dont!

Dont get me wrong, im not saying u guys merging was bad, just u never thought the outcome.
If u fuse 2 big factions, to take down 1 big factions, is obvious u are gonna win, with no strategy involved, just full 80 every week and better gear selection.
If u are not having fun, do something about it, and again, im not saying split or ask others to merge with Dynasty, i mean, dont encourage people to go to TW for a while, so u get less numbers and even the field, but that means there is a chance to lose u are not ready to take.
Even though apparently 20 ppl held 60 dyna had >.>

What i dont understand is this: decide if u are happy or unhappy over having a challenge on TW, cause i see countless QQ over having more than 1 faction attacking, but then posts saying it was fun, and then talking how awesome your defense was, but spawn killing to avoid people wiping u, is a bit confusing.

And about the spawn kill itself, if u wanna do it, is your call, i dont care, but tell your members so they dont get butthurt when in WC people call them spawn killers. Just be clear to your members.

Ok lets keep peace, is so 2010 fighting about TW... b:laugh

Dragslave - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Im sorry but i laughed so hard at that phrase!!! yeah...Dyna is the one that recruits only OP people thats why we have so many nuema portals, S cards set people, countless jade people, and all joined together... right!!!
Oh wait... we dont!

Dont get me wrong, im not saying u guys merging was bad, just u never thought the outcome.
If u fuse 2 big factions, to take down 1 big factions, is obvious u are gonna win, with no strategy involved, just full 80 every week and better gear selection.
If u are not having fun, do something about it, and again, im not saying split or ask others to merge with Dynasty, i mean, dont encourage people to go to TW for a while, so u get less numbers and even the field, but that means there is a chance to lose u are not ready to take.
Even though apparently 20 ppl held 60 dyna had >.>

What i dont understand is this: decide if u are happy or unhappy over having a challenge on TW, cause i see countless QQ over having more than 1 faction attacking, but then posts saying it was fun, and then talking how awesome your defense was, but spawn killing to avoid people wiping u, is a bit confusing.

And about the spawn kill itself, if u wanna do it, is your call, i dont care, but tell your members so they dont get butthurt when in WC people call them spawn killers. Just be clear to your members.

Ok lets keep peace, is so 2010 fighting about TW... b:laugh

Yeah getting boring and repetitive no offence.

When I met 1st Kalo many many moons ago he was a g15 sin and perma catshop. S cards, really, all the recruiting for the main group that formed Relic was done way before even cards came out. Yes those people obviously liked us and stuck with us and came across with me on the merge, like do I need to apologise that I have friends or that they are loyal? Like I know Dynasty has people leaving and trying to join the #1 faction all the time but we have really good retention rates. Like if we were allowed to name sht on forums the list of current and ex-dyna members that wanted to come across to Tempest because reasons is pretty large and lame.

Whereas Dynasty recruited a whole set of endgame characters way back from God when you were having equal fun fights with Tempest and all of sudden started rolling. Awesome decision.

We're really happy with the way things are atm, the ganks are cool, perhaps a bit too tryhard with all the alt factions but we done a great job on it.

Yeah you guys already call us what ever you like on world chat, like our actions bear any semblance to it, I don't mind, it's just nerdrage.

Sure, let's have a peace till the next thread that pops up b:laugh anyways yeah ciao

Sthenith - Dreamweaver wrote: »

As for those other comments made :


NO rule forbids the Aoeing of the spawnpoint. But it is a general accepted rule of "fair-play" not to do that sort of thing. If you find such a rule, please show us exactly where instead of linking us to a rules about forum posting, which has nothing to do with this.


Well, then i suggest you start with Kindrid who on several occasions have broken your so-called "rule" of not aoeing spawnpoint. Like was said, it is heavily frowned upon, and it gives any guild that does that a bad name.
If a guild leader cannot control his/her members then that is something that is to blame upon them.

What i DO know is that in our faction, ANY member that tries to do that in a TW gets an immediate kick from the faction, during that TW, no matter who it is. People like that do not belong with us and cannot be tolerated.
But i guess some factions make up their own rules.

Every faction does make their own rules.
That said, Kindrid gives 1 warning to those who break any rule before they are removed, to be fair, not all players take time to read rules in the first place and reminders in chat get lost when a faction is as active as ours, and thanks for singling us out after I took the time to rage at our members that broke this rule and tried to PM your leader with no response to opologize.

LMAO!!! the title of this thread reminded me of what some one pm'ed me Saturday morning when I was waiting to enter TW.... The person pm'ed me saying SPY!!!! LMAO,i did not even bother to look at the name of the person,it was to funny lol

by making this thread poet u urself have an issue, and u urself spawnkill urself yet here u r QQing about it and claiming this thread is not a QQ thread, now u have completly editted ur original post which again show u did not think about any of this before u posted and now u r trying to say otherwise.

I was in pms with u not to long ago over a NW incident where i told u after giving u my 2 cents on it *Think about that for a min* obviously u didnt think about it very hard

I get accused of spawn killing in tw whenever I kill anyone behind their crystal.

The vast majority of the spawnkilling accusations on DW are no where near the spawn point, not saying there wasn't one apparent aoe on the spawn but other than that it doesn't occur often.

For the people who're ignorant/dumb or just tw amateurs: the spawn point is where you spawn after you die and return, not down the stairs, not at the catas and by god not anywhere between the crystal and the actual spawn point.

Tw's were fun, tired of excuses for every tw, thanks all who participated.

Dont want to get killed? Dont tw. Stick to ur daily bh's.. And if youre faction weak enough to get spawnkilled .. Even more reason not to tw... Bychin bout spawnkill childish... b:surrender