How Often Do you Spy / SpawnKill in TW?

Tempest wanted gank as far as i undertand them. Cuz they always say that no1 is match for them alone. They wanted Server Merge because no1 in Server could give them a challange.
Beside PWI is the one who put that there can be 7 vs 1. So the smaller factions could fight together big faction.

even if spawnkilling and spying is not against PWI rules but i think its all about- respecting other factions no matter how strong or weak they r

As for the vent thing, it seems like you're turning it around to how it was vent spying rather than looking at it like it was just A member on their vent for whatever reason, as the person PMed me on the SS "Apparently pusyca is on BC vent", that doesnt seem to me that there is spying happening, and I can assure you there wasn't.

I mean if I wanted to check out who's online on someone's vent you could just send a Remote Ventrilo request through a website to know, it would be dumb to have an actual member log on their account to the vent.

This is why I should probably block my chatscreen for TW vids from now on, because I get a lot of PMs during TW, and everything gets turned around. I just like making videos with no secrets in it, and for people to see themselves on it, or saying funny stuff on chat like Hunkary does after he kills me with the BR laugh xD

Hi all,

First of all, spawn Killing is bannable once you get reported.
Second of all, Pwi staff implemented a thing that makes it impossible for a single guild to control the full map, so there is no point of QQing about it, once you have more lands you need to expect and see that coming, gank is inevitable.

My advice is to start learning how to lead and be proud of what you create, w/o having "the BIG EGO of cash shoppers" and teach your guild members how to behave in instances, chat, pvp.
And personally I got spawn killed aswell, during the 2pm TW against Tempest and wasn`t cause
"AOE WAS SETTED ON A PERSON AND HE/SHE MOVED TO SP" as they said, seen clear the quick shot coming.

Best regards,
Raluca

Ps: for who doesn`t know go on http://www.arcgames.com/en/about/terms , also here http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=63291

ok, now this is all confusing.

... So other factions decided to gank up on the faction 1v7.

...Tempest wanted gank as far as i undertand them

As far as i know, lead of tempest was "butthurt" about the gank, according to one of their members i talked to. So i'm guessing Tempest did not expect a gank or even 'wanted' one.

As part of a TW faction that didn't attack tempest that weekend, i found it rather odd that 7 factions suddenly decided to attack them all at once.
It was very obvious right from the start that there were collaborations made before TW in order to take lands from 1 faction, which is in a way circumventing the fair play, something clearly stated to be against the rules. But whatever.

Wat IS funny though, is with all those factions attacking they could only take 1 land because tempest had to make a choice : lose 1 or lose a lot. They chose wisely.

If you're going up against a very strong faction, wouldn't it just be easier to get your highest and strongest ppl together in 1 faction and try to beat them to a pulp ? As it stands now, a lot of factions have several strong members, but none of them are capable of facing the current faction with the highest numbers of those 'op' players.

As for those other comments made :

spawn Killing is bannable once you get reported.

NO rule forbids the Aoeing of the spawnpoint. But it is a general accepted rule of "fair-play" not to do that sort of thing. If you find such a rule, please show us exactly where instead of linking us to a rules about forum posting, which has nothing to do with this.

teach your guild members how to behave in instances, chat, pvp.

Well, then i suggest you start with Kindrid who on several occasions have broken your so-called "rule" of not aoeing spawnpoint. Like was said, it is heavily frowned upon, and it gives any guild that does that a bad name.
If a guild leader cannot control his/her members then that is something that is to blame upon them.

What i DO know is that in our faction, ANY member that tries to do that in a TW gets an immediate kick from the faction, during that TW, no matter who it is. People like that do not belong with us and cannot be tolerated.
But i guess some factions make up their own rules.

The point I'm trying to make is that factions should not do things like spawn kill in TWs and even remotely misconstrue chat in such a way that people think you're cheating

"Should not", but yet they do, for whatever reason. And misconstrue chat ? That's only possible if you post a video with such chat in the first place. Otherwise others have no business with your faction/party/private chat.

My 2 cents.

oh, and grats to those that kept their lands and those that won one. b:chuckle

About spying: I honestly think is common, is more that just as the term implies it
supposed to be secret..

About spawmnKill: At least on the server I play it happened to me more than once on TW but not much.

The place where I see more Spawmnkill is on NW. The sad thing about this is that usually the people that do it are end game (r9rr+12/nw orn+12) And they do it on lower level/gear people.
And since they have God mode they can just stand there and perma aoe them.

I even remember guys spawm killing like 20 or more people on crystal contest, then uploading it to youtube and talking about how pro they are b:shutup

Honestly, I have no respect for those who abuse spawmkilling.

Some weeks ago I was watching a NW video of some guy on youtube, the video was good and the guy had some skill but at the end of it, he just went to crystal contest spawm point and start aoeing green weapon people with his +12 rrr9 toon, after that I lost the few respect that I had for that guy during the video b:laugh

In all honnesty, when a lot of endgame/nearly endgame players jump ship just to be part of the *winning team*. And while Tempest has at least 4x as much R9rr players then the second strongest Tw faction on the server, you can expect something like this will happen.

It should happen more often.

Nah, extended immunity is unneccesary. What is neccesary is some permaseal NPC defenders covering the spawn area, like in the NW bridge maps (at the spawnpoints) or crystal maps (at the bases). A couple of those with an aggro range of 30m and an effective hit area of 40m should put the kybosh on spawnrapes, anyone trying will just end up perma sealed.

Why bother with the GMs and bans, when the devs can sort this just as easily?

I think the spawnkilling mentioned here is more to surpress the opposite side while the crystal is being destroyed, not after the tw has already been won...

Anarion - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Hi all,

First of all, spawn Killing is bannable once you get reported.

False. If you show me the line of the ToS where it says spawnkilling in TW is illegal I'll happily submit a ticket for being spawnkilled by Dynasty in the 9am gank. xD

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

Spawn killing isn't bannable and a lot of people need to get over their pixels being killed.

^ This. Well I guess LP already retracted what he said, good on him.

Skippy - Dreamweaver wrote: »

In all honnesty, when a lot of endgame/nearly endgame players jump ship just to be part of the *winning team*. And while Tempest has at least 4x as much R9rr players then the second strongest Tw faction on the server, you can expect something like this will happen.

It should happen more often.

I'm assuming you been away a while Skippy, things weren't always what they are now, we used to have fun fights 1v1 with Dynasty, they lost a lot of strong members for various reasons which I won't care to delve into!

The position that EQ and Dynasty are in now is pretty much the same position that Relic and Tempest were in back before we merged. There was a gank back then too, Dynasty no showed us and defended 2/3 of the others. At that time Dynasty occupied lands encircling Relic so we didn't even have the option of fighting Tempest, like you and Dynasty have that option now.

Obviously from my perspective and Tempest's, ganks are awesome, we reconnect with friends that are semi inactive and come online to help defend and there's a great buzz and excitement about it, I would happily defend ganks the rest of the season if DW is up for it. Alternatively a merger between Dynasty and Eq would be awesome, from my perspective, but I can understand the leaders don't want to share power, or collaborate, not sure about Stormstryker but I know Wacky has never been keen on letting go of the throne. He'd rather wait it out and bide his time slowly, whereas I was more of the let's just even the playing field now and have a better balance, obviously Dynasty leadership didn't like it because they starting losing, but most of my friends there thought it was great as we started having actual TW vs them again.


As a reply to the various Dynasty members posting, I think in general people need to maybe lighten up a little, be less carebear'ish, it's a game and it's just pixels. You guys were strongest faction at one point, Tempest is the strongest faction atm, who knows who will be tomorrow, could even be Kindrid, Prinda's time will come b:shocked

But anyways, keep with the ganks if wacky/webby/whoever wants to set them up again, we'll improve and hopefully you guys will improve too. Would be foolish to expect any mercy though, we're already heavily outnumbered, nearly 300 vs like 110 of us, so any gentleman's agreements are null and void, the charge of 'Oh you guys have to spawnkill to win' is pretty childish.

Also @ the 7-1 TW result huehuehuehue b:laugh

I'm really proud of what Tempest has achieved and most people on DW seem to like us, apart from maybe the TW faction leaderships and the salty ones, and there's always going to be the salty ones. b:kiss

Anarion - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Must admit, after reading every possible and impossible rules, I was wrong about the spawn killing aparently. b:surrender

Lol np, good on you for posting that though most people would ninja vanish when corrected.

Anarion - Dreamweaver wrote: »

SweetieBot, what do you think about spawn killing in NW and TWs?

I don't really think about it. Why?

On Sanctuary, the 2 strongest factions spawnkill each other whenever we have the chance. We give no mercy, and expect none in return.
I can't speak for Hoorah, but if Vindicate ever fights a weaker faction we don't spawnkill. No other faction on the server can survive a single push though, so there's no real need.

Evryn - Morai wrote: »

Nah, extended immunity is unneccesary. What is neccesary is some permaseal NPC defenders covering the spawn area, like in the NW bridge maps (at the spawnpoints) or crystal maps (at the bases). A couple of those with an aggro range of 30m and an effective hit area of 40m should put the kybosh on spawnrapes, anyone trying will just end up perma sealed.

Why bother with the GMs and bans, when the devs can sort this just as easily?

I like this idea better than mine, great point

But maybe a little larger for the sage archers? they're range is crazy far

"how often do you spy?" spy what? i pay attention to the battlefield, not the enemy guildchat.

"how often do you spawnkill?" usually not, unless the enemy faction insults me or claims i just "spawnkilled" them. then they usually receive a punishing aoe. but i agree with someone on page 1, as soon as 1 faction is more or less locked in their own base, the TW is unbalanced and soon over anyway. in the following the defender usually blames everything and everyone, just not themselves for the loss.

Dragslave - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Just because you couldnt handle defeat or leadership or whatever reason made u merge, doesnt mean rest of the server has to. I dont speak for EQ but noone in Dynasty is interested in merging with anyone because we are a solid faction, if we win, good if we lose, thats ok
If u need to devour an entire faction just to say: i can win!!! is sad.
If u are not having fun with current TW's is in your hands to do something about it, not the rest of the server.

The reasons for the merge have already been explained countless times. We are having loads of fun, and I couldn't give a monkeys what you think about my leadership I know I made the right call for the people I care about and that's enough for me. I'm more an adapt and collaborate kinda guy, I have a big say in Tempest, and have closely aligned views with DP and the officer team here, going by history Dynasty leadership seems more like the sulk in the corner and wait for OPs to join kind, which could take some time, as it did last time, when God fell apart and most of us went to Relic and you guys recruiting Merangelus and his OP crew, I'm assuming you're waiting for EQ to fall apart so you can take their members without sharing power. Good luck with that.

I rest my case about your saltiness however, want some fries with that dragslave b:laugh