Mystic vs stormbringer/duskblade

koryn7 wrote: »

Can discharge be blocked with evil ward/faith genie skills? Also if a mystic does die from it...we can just rez ourselves and go for round two... Though of course it's better to not die in the first place haha.

No, it can't be blocked by those genie skills. Discharge, of course, can be blocked with AD/IG, that's obvious.

bloodedone87 wrote: »

Actually there were some ppl on forums saying that the skill cannot be blocked even with AD and IG.

As many times as my opponents were lucky or clever enough to pop immunity up right before me throwing discharge on them, it didn't land on them. I might do a proper testing later.
But what I think people on forums were saying, is that you can't block it's damage with immunity.
You can prevent it from landing on you if you're immune at the moment it's cast on you, but if it landed on you, there's no way to prevent it's damage but to stand still. No purify or immunity will help you then. b:chuckle

bloodedone87 wrote: »

Ya, but its easy to see when a player is immune or not.
So you dont hit him with ESD when he is immune.

Yep, unless he pops immunity at the same moment you're hitting discharge button.

Looking at the list of skills that just came out for duskblades/stormbringers, I found a few in particular to be really important.

You can find the original list here:

http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/pwi/news/detail/9079543-all-new-skills,-plus-demon%2Fsage-skills!


For DB:
1. Annuler Eclipse: Confuse your foe with sudden darkness, increasing the cooldowns of their next two skills within 30 seconds by 1 minute.

-I'm assuming this will be a debuff? If we use NV or Break in the Clouds with that on, that will severely impede our abilities to not be able to instantly heal or use our main attack for a minute or more. We will have to see what this debuff icon looks like and then use two skills we don't normally use a lot I suppose: perhaps two plants instead of regular skills to avoid this. I wonder if it can be sparked off or purified? I suppose we will have to wait for more information on how exactly it works but this sounds scary to me.


For SB:

1. Waxing Crescent: Wreathe your Scythe in pure moonlight, increasing the range and area of your skills by 15 meters for 8 seconds.

-I think this could be annoying if the mystic is dischanged and trying not to move because the SB can continue to attack out of range of our skills for 8 secs. Of course, if your apoth/genie isn't on CD it's no problem, or perhaps nature's barrier/falling petals.

2. Perilunar Call: Empowers you for 20 seconds, restoring 400 Chi.
-Okay I only posted this out of jealously. That would be a nice skill to have...I assume the CD is long... it better be! b:angry

3. Perigean Tide: Deals base magic damage plus 240% of weapon damage plus 9455 physical damage and reducing the target's metal and water resistance by 100% for 6 seconds.

-So this is their other physical damage skill, sort of like a wiz's blade tempest but hitting less hard and debuffing our metal/water resist.


What are your thoughts on these skills and how to deal with them as mystics? Out of all of them, I think the db's annular eclipse is the most threatening.

When I first heard about the increased CD skill from the Dusk blade I came out with a few alternatives skills that wouldn't necessarily **** you over in a 1v1 situation.

Gaia's blessing+creeper

Creeper+rapid (wonder if sage proc would win out over debuff though....)

Salvation+creeper

Gaia+Sublime if you really need heals

Gaia already has a 1min CD anyways so thats one skill you dont need to worry about. If creeper dies in the AoE of the Dusk a few of the debuffs should of landed by then (unless you're extremely unlucky). And rapid while not having a 1min CD is worth the "sacrifice". And sublime having the 2nd longest CD of all our skills makes it the perfect tool to use if the Dusks place that nasty debuff on you.


On the purify note if it can it would really only benefit if the debuff is not on you because I'm pretty sure that if it can be puried it would trigger the effect before it was puried. So thats a 1min cd on cleric puri and 1min CD on BiTC if it actually puries.......Or you could use blow your genie and use faith.

As having played my DB lately a lot and having analyzed almost all the skills as much as possible so far, I can tell you that yes, Annular Eclipse ADDS 1 minute of cooldown to the next 2 skills and it also is un-purify-able.

I didn't test yet if Faith removes it, but AE also works on genie skills, so you could waste a genie skill or two if you see it coming and that's the next problem for enemies, almost instant channel/cast and 30 meter range, it was pretty easy for me in NW to throw AE into a casting enemy and increasing the cooldown of the skill they just used at that moment.

It definitely is one of the strongest skills in my opinion and especially against enemies that spam mostly only a few skills (Mystic, Veno, Psy, Cleric) and I love it.b:laugh

These un-purifyable abilities are getting annoying. What's the point of having a cler around to take care of the debuffs if the strongest PvP classes (for let's face it, with the mobility and paralyze chains Dusk at endgame gear would be the strongest melee, and Storm for sheer damage is the best ranged arcane zapper) can't have their debuffs purified?

Can we get some of those statusses on the legacy classes too maybe?

That said, the skill CD increase should take care of the one-click-macro-spam-sins.

@Above: You still have Absorb, Bramble Rage, Falling Petals, maybe Storm Dance too.

How is this such a heated discussion? Mystic is obviously going to have a huge advantage over Stormbringer similar to how it does vs Psychics because of the fast heals, buffed resistance to an element, and absorb soul is going to destroy them. And unlike psys, they can't increase their defense levels to stall it. Once their transform is down, they're incredibly vulnerable. Endgame mystic will be able to easily charm bypass Endgame SB after a storm leech into absorb soul with tangling mire, just like human form venos, who actually have (slightly) more hp. I'm not even that worried about their physical damage skills since not even blade tempest is a reliable bypass skill at end game against mystics even with spark and even though it deals 2x base damage. Just use windshield or something when you see it coming.

Not even a biased point of view. I play all casters. I haven't really done much research on Duskblades so I'm not really sure how that would go, but I remember Joe predicting that they had weak damage and would be mostly a support class, but that was before release, so I'm curious how they'll turn out. Thank gawd they don't have tidal.

Bromeas - Sanctuary wrote: »

As having played my DB lately a lot and having analyzed almost all the skills as much as possible so far, I can tell you that yes, Annular Eclipse ADDS 1 minute of cooldown to the next 2 skills and it also is un-purify-able.

I didn't test yet if Faith removes it, but AE also works on genie skills, so you could waste a genie skill or two if you see it coming and that's the next problem for enemies, almost instant channel/cast and 30 meter range, it was pretty easy for me in NW to throw AE into a casting enemy and increasing the cooldown of the skill they just used at that moment.

It definitely is one of the strongest skills in my opinion and especially against enemies that spam mostly only a few skills (Mystic, Veno, Psy, Cleric) and I love it.b:laugh

I'm not sure how the casting of that skill would be or how easy it'd be to react to it, but at least healing herb can finally have a use now besides as an aggro scapegoat. Also Salvation will be useful in an endgame 1v1.

If can get close to SB can just use Gale Force for a chance of immobilize if need to stop it for a bit~

Bromeas - Sanctuary wrote: »

The problem rather is, that if the DB has a good reaction and knowledge of every class, he can throw Annular Eclipse right into your channeling of a skill he wants to definitely block with it since AE only has a channel time of 0.1 seconds and also 30 meter range.

Really interesting ! Let's say you're about to launch Absorb Soul and he noticed the animation, if he uses AE at that time, will it work even though you pressed the button earlier ?

Bromeas - Sanctuary wrote: »

I'm sure you know that the cooldown starts after the channeling time of a skill is done and casting time is just the animation afterwards.

And as far as I tested, AE doesn't check when or if a skill is started, but simply checks when the next cooldown starts (so right when channeling time is finished, also for skills with instant channel time).

Yep but I wasn't sure how it would work for that specific thing.
Thanks for the additionnal information about that and for telling that genie skills are taken into account as well (sounds logical now that you point it out but I didn't think about yhat at first)

Puddinsundae - Harshlands wrote: »

Unless it's instant, it'd be pretty hard to catch a mystic during break in the cloud or nature's vengeance channels. It'd still be hard even if it were instant tbh. I could see them surprising you with it in a group situation, but you should be fine in 1v1 as long as you pay attention.

Just quoting myself from 1 page before.

Bromeas - Sanctuary wrote: »

The problem rather is, that if the DB has a good reaction and knowledge of every class, he can throw Annular Eclipse right into your channeling of a skill he wants to definitely block with it since AE only has a channel time of 0.1 seconds and also 30 meter range.

So it is basicaly instant and you should pay attention as long as the DB didn't use it yet in 1v1, because it could come at any unexpected time.