Where to get the Sage/Demon skilsl from:

Arent you suppose to get Spiritual Adept and aware of principle skills out of Mysterious Pages? I see some 59 skills mixed with the lowest level skills.

It's not overly surprising they'd change the organization of skills. In the past OBPs and PfFs were from cube and warsoul tags (plus delta for more OBPs). That made those skills, especially the PoF skills, take a lot more time or running difficult instances. The strongest skills (IE 59 skills) required the most work.

Now many of us can go run a couple FSPs and make pages for those skills like it's nothing.

I'm just happy downburst and sonic boom aren't gonna require thousands of FSPs to get them, or paying in the bidding hall.

Downburst yes, Sonic Boom no. At least not for a while. It's one of the things I hate about lvl 10 -> celestial upgrade; the cost increase is usually not even close to being worth it. It'll be adding about 100 mana cost (70% or so), for what is not anywhere near that worth it for over-all damage. Until primal cyclone came out, I had wished I could drop demon cyclone back down as well.

It's as much an issue with the gear upgrade, and their destruction of the separation of DPS from DPH, to now where everything is DPS thanks to how much of over-all damage in even heavy hitters is now base magic attack.

So having a cheap spam skill to use makes it so there's always a cheap fallback to rely on, while being able to use sage 25% still for its intended purpose. Might upgrade if there is a really nice primal, or when closer to end game.

I do like that many of the 59s are in the one we can get as guaranteed with the quest. I am wondering if they misprinted on their news page, or if there are differences in the skills from what we have. They have sage Lunar Blessing giving 90% reduction, which would be freaking sweet over the 80% we have in our initial list.

Sylvae - Sanctuary wrote: »

Downburst yes, Sonic Boom no. At least not for a while. It's one of the things I hate about lvl 10 -> celestial upgrade; the cost increase is usually not even close to being worth it. It'll be adding about 100 mana cost (70% or so), for what is not anywhere near that worth it for over-all damage. Until primal cyclone came out, I had wished I could drop demon cyclone back down as well.
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Don't forget that the range is increased from 25.5 to 27 meters. This by itself is enough for me to sacrifice extra mp on.

The only worry I have is Searing Moonlight literally costs 240ish mp (I forgot) per hit which hits every 1.3 seconds. This skill compared to BB is hell of costly to keep going, I have to find my self using herbs very often as to while I can BB spamming free divine pots on my cleric for almost 8 minutes before having to use a single herb.

bloodedone87 wrote: »

Sparkie posted on facebook page a link to some of this skills.
It seems we get all new skills including morai ones.
And it will be next week.
b:pleased

That is great news. Does this included AEU or Chrono skills? Such as those from AEU chest or the ones made with Chrono pages? (also obtainable at 7000 prestige such as by Dark Night + Jintao Emperor Scrolls)

Sylvae - Sanctuary wrote: »

I know, but that's mostly just pvp anyways. There's things that make that not matter; such as our morai skill boosting it, that 27 is still less than the others, and that I still have other skills to use.

So when I reach the point where it is something that will be needed decisively for really close pvp fights, there isn't any reason to willingly spend so much mana per cast, for boosts that aren't really that significant.

Main thing will be with better gear and cards, I can one shot with lvl 10 sonic boom as easily as with sage sonic boom. And that will make for some really cheap passive grinding to get potions with for free everything else content. As is my SB is very mana efficient from regen rate and sparking. Making it even more effective will be pretty nice.

I can see what you mean from your perspective. I used to love having only lv 10 Great Cyclone on my cleric for its cheap mp cost. Benefit-wise, I know I must have Sage Searing Moonlight and Lunar Guidance but the rest I will consider to possibly wait out a bit longer before learning.

Gear-wise we still have to wait but I'm much more optimistic now seeing progress being made.

Sylvae - Sanctuary wrote: »

Pretty much every other skill BUT Sonic Boom, I am looking to get sage version for. That's the nice thing about leaving that one out; for farming there is literally no other skill that needs to be used for damage. Every other skill has its specific use that isn't simple single target skill spam, or has a long CD to lower its over-all cost in the scheme of things.

Even our 400 chi skill, will give back more mana than it uses simply from the 20% of total mana being given back. That equates to roughly 27% of max mana minus its cost.

That's actually not too bad of an idea. What could also help is to have a lot of points into Magic to increase the mp pool, then Triple Spark would give more mp than you lose. This is always nice in FSP.

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

Complaining about mana costs in the year of our Lord 2015...

wutttttttt.

I will eventually learn them all. I know mystics have it like 3x worse than any other class anyways.b:surrender

Now I am imagining hybrid thunder/ice charges that Primal Skills might have that would be cool. and a hybrid charge would grant both benefits of a Thunder and Ice Charge would.


So like:

Ice + Ice + Hybrid would work as Ice x3 or Ice x2 and Metal x1


Either way I hope our Primal Skill will be just as OP as when Sins got their Life Hunter and such other classes got theirs.

xoinix wrote: »

I see they nerfed -if u can even call it a true nerf-


Lunar Sacrifice: Reduces your physical and magical defenses by 100% to increase physical and magical defenses of squad members within 15 meters by 500%. Lasts 5 seconds

original description had it at 15 seconds.

For anyone who wants to check out the full post about the skills for both classes.

I thought I remembered seeing it at 5 seconds, +3 seconds for each element per ball we have rotating around us. So 3 ice orbs would mean 14 seconds ice debuff, 5 seconds thunder.

I assume there are errors in the post.

One I saw was with Reaper Form. It listed the duration as being the same for 10 and Sage version, with the only difference being shorter cd for demon.

If that skill adds range and AREA to skills, then prepare for screen blinding Avatar of the Storm etc. and being able to knock back everyone in sight of you. That absolutely has to be an error or we are all gonna be trolling for days.

The sacrifice skill seems like it is utterly useless. Give yourself ZERO defense for 5 seconds, while your squad gets 500% of theirs? The timing involved in that barely covers lag on average, and I'm hard pressed to think of a situation that isn't purely hypothetical where it would save the squad to have 5x defense for 5 seconds while I shatter like an egg against an aoe. I'd have ZERO defense (unless I am mistaken) so I'd basically be taking the full listed damage of every mob attack/player attack for 5 seconds while the squad gets slightly tankier due to diminishing returns for 5 seconds.

Hell, sparking gives you total immunity for a few seconds, and I don't get killed in the process. I don't think the squad will appreciate having to rez my *** after I'm done "helping" b:chuckle

I'm exaggerating, but really I see no point in the skill. If it was for 10 seconds then I can see that being useful. If I can use lunar blessing during it and still get mitigation then its perfectly safe to use, but still not useful.

If the cloud buff truly can be cast on anyone, then we are gonna be making a lot of friends. And we might even make some coin buffing pkers that can't be bothered to make an alt.

AlysonRose - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I assume there are errors in the post.

One I saw was with Reaper Form. It listed the duration as being the same for 10 and Sage version, with the only difference being shorter cd for demon.

If that skill adds range and AREA to skills, then prepare for screen blinding Avatar of the Storm etc. and being able to knock back everyone in sight of you. That absolutely has to be an error or we are all gonna be trolling for days.

The sacrifice skill seems like it is utterly useless. Give yourself ZERO defense for 5 seconds, while your squad gets 500% of theirs? The timing involved in that barely covers lag on average, and I'm hard pressed to think of a situation that isn't purely hypothetical where it would save the squad to have 5x defense for 5 seconds while I shatter like an egg against an aoe. I'd have ZERO defense (unless I am mistaken) so I'd basically be taking the full listed damage of every mob attack/player attack for 5 seconds while the squad gets slightly tankier due to diminishing returns for 5 seconds.

Hell, sparking gives you total immunity for a few seconds, and I don't get killed in the process. I don't think the squad will appreciate having to rez my *** after I'm done "helping" b:chuckle

I'm exaggerating, but really I see no point in the skill. If it was for 10 seconds then I can see that being useful. If I can use lunar blessing during it and still get mitigation then its perfectly safe to use, but still not useful.

If the cloud buff truly can be cast on anyone, then we are gonna be making a lot of friends. And we might even make some coin buffing pkers that can't be bothered to make an alt.

Lol on some level I do hope its true. Mostly so I can cast thunder strike on a group of enemies from a distance and pretend I'm Zues. #I'vealreadyjudgedmyselfb:surrender


Well while I don't know for sure I'd imagine the debuff would be purifible or be countered by AD. And yea 5 seconds doesnt give you a lot of leeway. I suppose this is the SB's panic button when their squad gets under heavy fire. Sorta like Buddha's Guard for the bm (1000% extra pdef for 10secs) or Gaia's blessing for mystics (healing even when stunned).

jsut wanna say skill says: Lunar Sacrifice: Reduces your physical and magical defenses by 100% to increase physical and magical defenses of squad members within 15 meters by 500%. Lasts 5 seconds.If its like any other skill & debuff which i would think so you still got your buff defence and primal def passive so it wont go back to 0 at all

demansfairy wrote: »

Idk why any hasn't mentioned this but there are two level 100 skills you can make with emperor letters, one in shroud and one in crona. Any idea what the second 100 skill could be? It's in the pwdatabase but I can't read runespeakb:sad

It might be our AEU skill.They might have decided to add it in that way, since having to redo the chests by adding a new item ID for future runs after update wasn't worth the hassle. So just toss it in same way 100 skill is learned, simple solution.

FireHowl - Harshlands wrote: »

After digging around on pwdatabase, google translate and switching between english and chinese database..
The spark recharge is from Shroud and our other 100 skill from Corona.

Our sage/demon bible seems to have a chance to reward the 3 morai order books and our two 100 skillbooks.

Link to the chinese sage/demon bible:

http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/quest/33142

That item will only reward 1 book, not all, there is no chance to get all from it.

You guys are over-exaggerating...

Sacrifice skill > Triple Spark

Triple Spark purifies debuffs. Was that so hard? b:shocked

Even if you tell me still can't do that then Lunar Blessing is more than enough to survive. A 100% debuff isn't as bad as you might think, you experience this from many bosses such as Cenequus Polearm in bh69, Decaying Fragrance in FC, and multiple World Bosses such as Harpy Wraith. Unless it becomes an unpurify-able buff that will stay no matter what (like Electrostatic Discharge) then you can start worrying about that, but I have to say I think it is very unlikely.

As for me, I will probably spamming it on every vile boss to save lower geared players from being one-shotted at the start. Especially when the ignorant APS sins think they can tank Cannonfist Orclord with his APS Buff without any use of apoths to then be killed twice and kick out of Warsong to lose the Badge Quest and become a burden on the squad. Of course I know it is tankable, and I have tanked it many times, but many people don't tend to know it exists or takes the veno's purge for granted.