How do blademaster beat barbarian in pvp

Depends, if he is charmed use drake breath bash + spark, if you are only axe spark + heavens flame make sure you have a genie with spark eruption but do this after his charm thick and used invoke (turtle skill) try to debuff him if he have fulll buffs with a 99 spear or any debuff wep. Stunlock drake bash, roar, smack, aoelian blade if you are not reborn yet if he get close to kill you.

Spardex - Archosaur wrote: »

I have a level 100 blademaster with full tt90 and i vs my friend who is also full tt90 level 100 and we used exactly the same weapon and i keep losing to him i do weak damage and he hits me way hard and easily kills me. I used tiger roar, fissure and highland cleave still i lost. So how do i beat barb there def too strong

Troll or just really stupid?

The people giving you advise are pretty much awful at this point OP (henceforth referred too as idiot) Just gonna assume duel settign here, pvp changes slightly and mass pvp changes muchly but its the basics.

So heres how to play the bm idiot, you click fast skills, anything longer than 1.3 seconds that does not pack a significant secondary effect aint worth it (RE: stuns, HF, chi).

you time these fast skills or a series of very fast punches so that every 5.9 seconds your already channeling DB and every 7.3 seconds your already channeling roar if demon or if level 10 every 5.8 seconds roar and then bridge with AE blade+fan into DB again.

you use the appropriate marrow in any sort of 1v1. you can acc magic marrow and phys marrow when the barb is locked for free chi but have phys up out of stun always.

If he antistuns kite like a litte girl.

Dont ****ing bhodi untill the last possible moment a stun is channeling.

Stop letting him 3 spark on your face.

bah i rather avoid the charm ****. There one on myserver we keep having a draw the few that i have beat took a great deal of locking then setting up a Roar+HF+Rising Combo, there was one time O GS+Mire ended a fight quick b:laugh.

Armageddon costs half his life and 2 sparks, the damage depends on his current HPs. That limits him in when he can use it. (not when he is low on HP, not when his charm has just ticked unless he is pretty sure to kill you, not when he has spent his sparks on something else)

With some practice you may be able to learn when it is likely to come. you may be able to jump away, stun or interupt him, or if you are stunned yourself, use AD.

If he does use it while his charm is on cooldown and thus halves his own HP, and you aint dead, use that window of opportunity to kill him at that time. Even if his charm was not on cooldown, arma at least ticked his charm and thus it is now on cooldown and you might be able to kill him with a good combo.

All easier said than done, and beyond my own PvP skills, but i guess that is how good PvP is supposed to work.

Barbarian strength: Can take a lot of damage, especially physical.
Barbarian weakness: Does very little to no elemental damage and/or ranged damage.

A lot depends on if he is str or vit and sage or demon. Sage barbs espescially with a vit build depend very much on armageddon for the kill. They spend most of their time trying to create the right opportunity for casting it.
In that case, it is very important you learn not to get hit by it. Try to dodge, interupt it and try to disturb his efforts to create the opportunity for casting it. If you can avoid a sage vit barbs arma from hitting you, you should be pretty safe for the win even though it might take ages for you to get the lucky crits needed to kill him.
A demon barb will not so much depend on armagedon, most dont even use it all that much. They depend on bestial onslaughts crit bonus for the next 2-3 attacks and will spend most of their time just spamming you with attacks. A str barb isnt all that more durable then you are. In fact if you make sure you have phys marrow up all the time, you are more durable than him.

I dont really know very well how the numbers play out on TT90 toons. 2k damage doesnt sound all that impressive if you consider that it takes half his own HPs and i assume you both have something around 10-12k HP or so (when he is standing up)

Sylvae - Sanctuary wrote: »

You either need to be fighting a bad barb, or have some really good gear if doing phys marrow. Phys marrow is basically saying you think the other guy is too dumb to have dmg pots. Also, barbs have poision damage already..

You vastly overestimate these elemental effects.

forget about the barbs poison dmg. its about 6-7% of his total hit. Like i hit you for 10k, it adds 600-700 poison dmg. Or in TT90 words, 1000 dpg + 70 poison.

You probably are refering to pts that have a similar effect. Rather insignificant. Theres some insignificant genie skills too.

Of course you should use physical marrow against a barb. Dont doubt that for a second.
As for APSing the barb, depends on how stupid (or overconfident) the barb is. I APS people in NW sometimes because they dont runaway when i triple spark. In that case APSing is indeed a great way to take down high defence enemies. You are talking TT90 though so i dont think you have APS equipment to make this feasible. Even in the old PvE instances APS starts to become usefull at 4 APS, in pvp it is already rare enough to be usefull at 5aps. Dont think about APSing anyone before you got that.

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

You vastly overestimate these elemental effects.

forget about the barbs poison dmg. its about 6-7% of his total hit. Like i hit you for 10k, it adds 600-700 poison dmg. Or in TT90 words, 1000 dpg + 70 poison.

You probably are refering to pts that have a similar effect. Rather insignificant. Theres some insignificant genie skills too.

Of course you should use physical marrow against a barb. Dont doubt that for a second.
As for APSing the barb, depends on how stupid (or overconfident) the barb is. I APS people in NW sometimes because they dont runaway when i triple spark. In that case APSing is indeed a great way to take down high defence enemies. You are talking TT90 though so i dont think you have APS equipment to make this feasible. Even in the old PvE instances APS starts to become usefull at 4 APS, in pvp it is already rare enough to be usefull at 5aps. Dont think about APSing anyone before you got that.

Depends on the gear of the player you are fighting. You forget, phys marrow adds a lot of phys def (decreasing the damage from APS itself) at the cost of mag marrow (increasing damage of pots)

Primal passives and such may have changed it around, but my BM would typically deal around double damage to someone who used phys marrow against them. Double. That's pretty good increase of damage.

well i have both bm and barb and i play both
but u cant just stun lock a good barb forever even as bm

as a bm aps is good idea again barb with stuns but its also depends ow harder u it with aps.. almost every bm have str/dex build to use claw fist to gain fast chi and dd in pve but not every bm hit like truck with aps.. b:chuckle

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

Stopped reading here, get out of my forums.

anyone can just break stun lock with faith (100% success rate) ... lol wt world u living if u think stun lock is still so effective like b4 on barb or any class

Good point earlier on the poison dmg in combination with marrow phys - especially for Sage BMs that could be a problem. Solution could be purge spear - Spirit Blackhole R8 spear while going full defensive until purged, then go full offensive for the kill could be a nasty tactic. Might take a while for the purge to hit but once it does, it leaves the barb with the option to rebuff (which takes a while and could be interrupted) or continue the fight unbuffed - which means less HPs and no wood damage.

DemonAsh - Archosaur wrote: »

well i have both bm and barb and i play both
but u cant just stun lock a good barb forever even as bm

as a bm aps is good idea again barb with stuns but its also depends ow harder u it with aps.. almost every bm have str/dex build to use claw fist to gain fast chi and dd in pve but not every bm hit like truck with aps.. b:chuckle

b:chuckle At the point where T3 fists hit me for 200/hit after spark it's kinda pointless to aps.

Sylvae - Sanctuary wrote: »

Except we don't make up things to make it work, we go by IF it works. Rendering this point moot.

The reason for wood pot is it's a cheap apoth to use, and if you don't need defensive pot the 2 min cd isn't a big deal. Based off the damage increase of the pot from normal to that, we can determine the effect we can expect if we then stack it with DBB.
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Dont really know what point you are trying to render moot. and what you or who is making up. It was about the barb using poison damage and wood pot to do high damage to BMs in physical marrow.

My argument is that the added elemental damage to the barbs attack is so little compared to the physical marrow that he will be unable to get enough damage out of that to make physical marrow a bad choise for the BM. I don't know the exact numbers for Pmarrow and the poison pot, so if I a wrong, tell me so by providing the correct numbers, but to me it looks something like this:

Barb does 10k physical on BM. (just choosing a round number, the actual number doesnt matter. The barbs poison damage is based on weapon damage and will turn out to be some 8% on a low str barb and 6% on a high str barb)
Add barbs poison makes it 10.000 physical and 600 magic
Add pot makes it 10.000 physical and 1200 magic ? (as said i don't know how much, tell how much it really is)
BM uses Pmarrow, effect depends on current resistances of course, but something like physical damage -30% and magic damage +100% sounds reasonable ?
That would turn the 10.000 + 1200 (11200)
into 7000 + 2400 (9400)

As said, i dont know all the numbers, only the barbs poison skill and a rough idea of pmarrow. Point is i dont believe you can practically make pmarrow a bad choise for the BM. And even if you could it would be by such a tiny margin that the BM wont be hurting himself by using pmarrow by default against a barb since only a rare barb would do this. (surely there must be better things to do with apoth) Nevertheless, of course the poison skill should always be used to simply do some extra damage and make pmarrow less effective.

Morridune - Raging Tide wrote: »

to OP


if he's charmed save most of ur stun locking abilites and damage amps till after his charm tics untill then its chip away his hp and occasional rotp/Aeolian blade(primal) to annoy/provoke apoc/genie if something nasty comes drop drakes bash. Once he's tic'd or at 50% lock and amp use fastest acting skills only dont get drawn into tryin to charm bypass im not sayin it cant be done with barbs its just usually more time efficient to go round their charm than try to go through it. 1v1 pmarrows fine its not rly all that bad as even with elemental pots/buff its not an uber buff to their damage compared to what u gain vs the phys other than this just be prepared for a tedious fight

This looks like a NECRO!

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