wen is there going to be a sin friendly instance to lvl up in?

Sins can solo pv easily enough specially at higher lvls just need to learn how to do it. Now i havent uploaded a pv vid of myself doing this ofc but i think this one is good enough showing a sin doing pv easily. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfBDd_l9nrg


Oh and one thing i must mention get the whole aps thing out of your head aps is only good for TT and some farming your best bet is to go DPH with chill and that may be why you're having problems with pv just my 2 cents

warlockxkos187 wrote: »

well stats dont lie i go to pv and if i do it all week = 7 days 50 mil exp other ppl make 5 times that ina week (non sins) so what do i got to do go to moria and join shroud. one that i absolutely hate just to do more pv and have to pay for openers all the while cuz i didnt fc baby my alts. i earned every ounce of exp in fc 2 hours a day more comittment than anyone that ever pv'd. im against botting too cuz no1 deserves somthing from nothing.. or no effort or not even there and making exp. all and all squad or no squad pv is worthless for a sin.. corona all day and do you actually expect a seeker to share his exp he's making?

The video i linked shows that pv is not worthless for a sin and shows him doing pretty much 8 runs solo with the first token, if im not mistaken that sin got 40-50mil exp from it. How is that worthless to a sin?
Im sorry if you think pv is worthless but thats pretty much your only choice to get exp nowadays and pv is by far better than FC ever was and im sure most would agree. Only thing about it now is you've got to actually Play the game do quests and such thats the only way your gonna lvl so get used to it.

warlockxkos187 wrote: »

pv is made up of hundreds of mobs better suited for aoe DD's not us phy damage DD's

Just watch the video i linked and you'll see how its done by a sin pretty easy

Naberis - Dreamweaver wrote: »

The video i linked shows that pv is not worthless for a sin and shows him doing pretty much 8 runs solo with the first token, if im not mistaken that sin got 40-50mil exp from it. How is that worthless to a sin?
Im sorry if you think pv is worthless but thats pretty much your only choice to get exp nowadays and pv is by far better than FC ever was and im sure most would agree. Only thing about it now is you've got to actually Play the game do quests and such thats the only way your gonna lvl so get used to it.

In your video the sin is full r9rr probably +10 or + 12 gear and weapon.It has over 23k hp. probably is rb2. he deals a ****** good dmg. Ofc he can do 8 runs easily.
The OP probably is asking how can a aps sin with +5 OR+7 gear with maybe 6-7k HP( i dont know if rb or not) can solo pv.

bloodedone87 wrote: »

In your video the sin is full r9rr probably +10 or + 12 gear and weapon.It has over 23k hp. probably is rb2. he deals a ****** good dmg. Ofc he can do 8 runs easily.
The OP probably is asking how can a aps sin with +5 OR+7 gear with maybe 6-7k HP( i dont know if rb or not) can solo pv.

it can easily be done with full nv3 LA with decent refines, why i said he should just forget about aps

warlockxkos187 wrote: »

also not every1 has 100+ alts times 8 and i dont have 300k for openers that could potentually waste your time when there is nothing of value that even drops in pv to earn the coin back its just a big money drain that no1 wants to do ona daily basis.. and really shroud you can keep the magic runes you know for aoe DD's i'll stick with corona for my phy runes just saying pv ultimately is and was intended for the magic comunity to rival fc.. so support plz get rid of pv. you already cut off the head for phy dd's now its time to do the same for magic class's

you dont have to be in shroud, i just use my 1 token an be done with it. An idk bout you but many do it on a daily basis 15 mins of lvling a day instead of FCing all day i like it more tbh

warlockxkos187 wrote: »

also not every1 has 100+ alts times 8 and i dont have 300k for openers that could potentually waste your time when there is nothing of value that even drops in pv to earn the coin back its just a big money drain that no1 wants to do ona daily basis.. and really shroud you can keep the magic runes you know for aoe DD's i'll stick with corona for my phy runes just saying pv ultimately is and was intended for the magic comunity to rival fc.. so support plz get rid of pv. you already cut off the head for phy dd's now its time to do the same for magic class's

This just sounds like a wall of ********. FC was disabled by Wanmei to bring our version in line with the others. It's not coming back and it was removed as earning time was made active for the entire game instead of just primal.

Nothing of value? You take those Fortification Draughts into TW, RW and NW and tell me they have no value. Love me some Fortification b:dirty. Plenty of people want to do PV on a daily bases. Again, you don't have to be in shroud to go into PV, shroud just gives you a second token to enter PV again (you cannot open it if you already have that day though.). The same way Lumi lets you run CoF again and Corona gives you a Nirvana Talisman.

Are you even hearing yourself or are you just mad that hypers in FC are gone? PV was NEVER made just for the magic classes. Most of those mobs will deal physical damage. Don't you dare say it was never meant for physical DD's to use. Support doesn't do anything but answer support tickets, btw, and if you want something removed from the game you would have to go to http://w2i.wanmei.com and complain there. PS: They probably won't give a ****.

warlockxkos187 wrote: »

pv is made up of hundreds of mobs better suited for aoe DD's not us phy damage DD's

You do realise that AOE DD's can be both physical and magical, right?

bloodedone87 wrote: »

Yes it can be done by full nv3 LA with decent refines. But the video that yu link it doesnt teach any sin how to solo pv. In the video it isa sin with full r9rr , 23k hp that can pull al cave. It makes everything look so easy when actually its not. For a newbie in soloing pv or for someone that doesnt know how to solo its not that easy.
He needs to learn his limits. How much he can pull , how much aggro can hold and things like that.

Well if he would've said things like that and such i would've gave some advice instead all he did was whine and complain that pv was useless for sins and sins cant do it. that vid was just showing him they could. If he wasnt whining and actually was trying to learn pv he would be practicing and learning his limits instead of saying pv was useless and how pw needs to make a instance for sins to lvl when pv is more than enough.

I find it pretty silly that you complain about having to be in Shroud. The majority of people that leveled or are leveling through PV stay(ed) there much like how those farming Cube are in Luminance for the free CoF.

That aside, if your gear isn't that great (aps set +5 or something) what level are you trying to get? Do you want to be 105? That won't really help you much with anything so I'd suggest trying to improve your gear first which will benefit you in many ways.

You could also try to find a partner to duo PV together. Duo PV still gives decent EXP. I did duo PV myself because of lack of alts in general.

FCC isn't coming back and only China decides what to do with the content. All you can do is adapt and find new ways.

Easily done with full Nirvana S3 with decent refines... what are decent refines?
Sin with full nvs3 and +5 refines (which I find decent...) can do 1 run and that's it, maybe 2 runs if everything goes better than expected b:laugh .

To me it's not worth my time, so i do other stuff to level up. I don't really care about hypers not working in FC.

Don't almost all Seekers beg for BP? Strike a deal... you give BP, they drag you along in PV, or ... learn your class and you can solo any dungeon with hypers on...

aren't sins like the OP class of the game? why QQ that you need help? b:thanks

I played all the classes by now and soloed PV with all of them at least once on whatever level (NOT counting ''i am rb and i soloed 30 - 44 PV) and since my sin is 2nd rb lvl 100 i can say that it is possible to do that even without rrr9, my sin armor is simple aps gear tt99 with nirvy and r8, weapon g16 +10, but armor have low refines that don't go above +4 just the leggings +6 and hat +7.
And you requesting for fc is telling me that you been pwrlvl'ing and you don't know much about class. In PV your aps mean nothing.
And if you are RB and want to go back to lvl 100, Primal dailies are very good xp as well as other dailies like cs morai and so on.
Another thing is FC PV isn't instances made with soloing in mind, that's why the game have squad system, if you can't solo something chances are you need a squad for it. It's only these day's where instances don't match gear and people without op gear start to complain that instance isn't class friendly.
And just to make one thing clear sin isn't my main so i am not like super pro at it and i am not bothered much about her gear.

warlockxkos187 wrote: »

can i stealth in pv?

Why on earth would you want to stealth in PV? The whole point of PV is to kill all the mobs. Its not FC...oh wait, perhaps you lived in FC and think the PV boss and frogs at the end are the FC boss and heads, because well, FC was the only way to level, right?

Zoldi - Morai wrote: »

Can you use bp ? Yes
Have you ever tried to do pv with another arcane/LA class ? I assume you haven't

Talking about toons with same gears as your sin, could you explain why PV would be easier on archers, psychics or venos for example ? Surprise me !

Technically you can stealth but mobs have higher detection level than your stealth level will be. As for why somebody would want to stealth it, bout half of xp in PV instance is on boss + frogs. Would be fairly reasonable xp to somebody who cant pull PV at all.

Well i just partly read threw the topic so might have missed some replies.

I am gonna start with pv. My first pv run with the low refined aps set took me 30 min but i somehow manged to do it. So just practice what u can do.

In my opinion with the aps set refined to +5-7 with +10 weap 2x RA and passives u could get 1-3 pv runs at ease. Just the thing is practice.

Someone mention aa classes having it harder in pv than the sinns cause of less pdef. I have to disagree with that cause most aa classes have extra bonuses to pdef (like the wizz mentioned got earth shield if i am not wrong, not sure how exacly arcane def will work in pv too), mystics got pdef self buff clerics got plume shell and little extra pdef buff, psys have def voodo, etc.

What i whould advice here for lvling is doing ur daily primorial quests, they give a good bit of exp, botting, aeu, convoy quest in primal can give as much exp as 1 pv run sometimes

Someone aslo asked why to stealth threw pv. Reason seems quite obvious to me, since boss and frogs gives best exp from that instance.

Aslo to the advices for soloing pv, there were many of them, ima repeat a few: shroud pills help, apoth help, getingn full buffs (barb bm cleric and faction base pdef buff, corona rune that increases attack/seeker def buff )helps, swiching blessings during pulling/killing helps, bramble helps hold mobs on u, maze steps helps not geting stuned, focus mind helps take less dmg, CoD helps deal more dmg, subsea + TM at start of aoe helps too. So try ur class and get best of it.

and yah it was always like this with seekers and pv, they have great pdef(and def lvls) and continous aoe with bp so they are best aoe DD in game if u ask me. On the other hand sins compeared to seeker can do not that much(just 3 aoes, and for one u gotta get in right position. the only advantage is sparking before aoes and CoD for the dmg)

I am personaly against removing hypers in FC cause in fc at about lvls 70-80-90s i learned:
-puling
-aoeing
-debuffing
-what does squad need me for(high dps>fast boss kill)
-that hf and subsea/ep and pdash should go after spark(some bms still just rushes in to boss and hfs before ppl even gets there, not to mention about sparking)
-teamwork(only with good teamwork the non ra fc squad lvl 70-80 could pull it off)
-and it was very good instance to prepare before lvl 100
but ya what's done it's done, no one goes to fc now.

But the question in the topic seems reasonable to me if i look at it this way:

1. at Nirvana times majority of sins gets good aps gear to farm vana and use same gear to pk (double spark from stealth could kill most of the targets in few sec)

2. ppl started qq-ing about sins being anoying, overpowered etc. So from that time sin class wasn't geting too much benefits, pwi tried to create thing that wipp stop aps being so op(not puting them in correct order but all at once):
-higher def gear with purify spell which gave the casters insta puri from a sin and way to run away
-anti-aps pot
-5% aps nerf at high aps
-more def increase with the primal passives and more skill dmg upgreades with primal skills aslo
-(next expansion should compleatly make aps useless in pvp if rumors are true)

3. with the new primal skills pwi did very smart thing which is giving us dph skill that hit similar to aps(yay for the puri spell, we will activte it more often) and instead of giving the non-avoidable stun to us, tey gave it just to bms and barbs (feels discriminated, elimination should have the 3 sec of that stun instead of mere imobilize). So now sins are quite useless against the good gear caster carrying flag in nw (all we can basicly do is stun lock them till someone come or try to bow purge them hoping puri spell will not activate). Yah some of u will say that endgame diety sin whould be capable of killing that caster, but i think it whould be a long fight and caster will focus rather on carrying the flag.

aslo for all the ppl saying to adjust and go dph and forget aps and such:

1. sin is the only class that carry 2 sets of gear: (aps and dph)
2. i srsly wanna see how will u farm with ur dph gear only (even tho most ways of farming gets closed by pwi, good that TT isn't still closed). i just rly wanna see how it feels killing boss many times longer cause of lack of continus sparking/debuffs (cause even if u say dph has almost same dps as aps u can't debuff as often with continus sparking)
3. i am aslo wondering why most dph sins have trouble killing high hp barbs ? with aps it was preety easy, stun lock + massive amount of dps dmg did the job but now ? ic more and mroe ppl haveing trouble with that.
4. yes there are isntances (more and more of them) when using aps is quite useless most of the time like fsp. So what ? u can just put the CoD on and if u have life hunter u still do good dmg to bosses. If i can do more dmg with +11 nirvy s3 dager(i use r8r aps set) with life hunter than +10 r9s3 dager sins without life hunter it either means that something is wrong with me, the other sin(very posible since ppl still don't know how to use CoD and atack with skills - not all of them ofc but many) or just LH is too OP for dph(with debuffs can do like beetween 100-200k dmg with life hunter, my record was sth about(all the debuffs) 360k i think - check out i have no zerk crits) b:shocked
So the conclusion is yea DPH is best for pk(and some instances) with sins cause of more defence and more attt/def lvls and it was like this since i started playing sin (think 4 years now), but don't say aps is useless.


oh btw. one more thing. i wanna see all those ppl saying yay no hypers in fc, less nobbs in game etc. if we get like 2 more reawekings or something liek that b:laughb:laugh
since u could lvl with FC in like 1 day if u were rly desperete to do it, now it will take u few days if u are desperete, about 1-2 weeks for non deseperate ppl and from 2 weeks to even over a month or longer for the rest

and sry for my english, it's not my first language and i haven't written sth that long in a bit