Venos are op

OFate - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I've been able to do FF (full) w/ my veno, but sure the debuff boss is a bit tricky.

Recently did TT 2 alone, w/o buffs or any pots except for crab meat and I did use an alt to get into where Soulripper is. I easily killed Astralwalker but I left the lower boss (Ancient Evil) alone. Everything else > dead.

Only used my evolved Hercules.


Note: When my Venomancer was just level 79, she could farm those worms out in Land of Buried bones, and no refines, just generic gear and her Hercules. She was able to solo FF at 98 (including big room) and again w/o refines and just using her phoenix and Hercules.

Yeah, I forget when I started soloing FF on mine, but it was around 92, with the herc and basic TT90 gear.

If played intelligently, Venos and Mystics can be a pretty deadly force.

waa waa waa ... a veno killed me in NW/TW so the class must be OP because I have mad skillz.


My r9 weapon is +12, my armor is all +10, my herc and harpy are evolved and have excellent moods/skills. If I'm so blasted OP why is it so difficult to get invited to a BH Metal squad? (an instance I can solo, btw).

I don't wish to come off as rude, but before you start crying about other classes being OP, learn to play your own class. Period. End of argument.

CANUS_MAJOR - Archosaur wrote: »

If you are talking about rix, then last time I talked with em, they r a vit build so defiently can squeeze some more defense out of that. If u meant mesi, im not exaxctly sure wht she is, though im leaning toward thinking she is vit as well or atleast a hybrid.

Was speaking of aby. Rixoth is vit stoned, think she sporting with 25kish hp base, no where remotely as tanky as aby though.

Darkette - Sanctuary wrote: »

waa waa waa ... a veno killed me in NW/TW so the class must be OP because I have mad skillz.


My r9 weapon is +12, my armor is all +10, my herc and harpy are evolved and have excellent moods/skills. If I'm so blasted OP why is it so difficult to get invited to a BH Metal squad? (an instance I can solo, btw).

I don't wish to come off as rude, but before you start crying about other classes being OP, learn to play your own class. Period. End of argument.

The only issue I had with veno being broken is how their pets glitch.

There is a reason that there is a Veno only faction in Dreamweaver server... IJS b:chuckle

Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Because the myriads totally can't do the same. b:chuckle

I tested myriads after primal passives thoroughly. 100% and pure 0 is a big difference. With myriad you can deal approximately double damage (non crit non amp) while with ironwood you deal x8x9, depending on def and considering that without debuffs arcane antinomy hits like venomous scarab +/-, though it's not magic damage, but it shows the difference.

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

just Dark Taboo spam and you probably won't die.

Dark taboo is melee, EA can jump away It's his direct interest to hit from distance. Yawning near veno letting it dark taboo and purge you would kill anyone b:chuckle

I would actually put venos right up there with sins and barbs in 1v1 power now.

First of all not all venos are demon. Sage don't have that combo which scares everyone so much. Not every class can be killed with standard combo "lucky scarab-nova-venomous-lucky" unless you outgear your target. Sometimes that miserable 2min cd 20% proc combo is the only chance.

Savor - Lost City wrote: »

I killed the best geared cata barb on Lost City in 15 seconds with a purge, amp, magic armor break. It took 15 seconds because he paralyzed me first hit then i purged/debuffed and 2 shot him. I have fairly low magic attack compared to most end game casters. I am only 105/103/102.

Where was his deaden? With it you have to kill a barb literally 2 times. Then genie... I assume he lagged or was busy with something and distracted and it definitely wasn't 1v1. It's not impossible but 15 sec is kinda instant pounce which could be easily beaten back by apo, def charms and genie, which are not in cd in the very beginning.
Well, if you drain all resources and supplies in the beginning of the fight, it's not a smart move, but obviously better than dying without trying b:chuckle

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

Are you saying venos don't rush up to archers in every fight like every other class does?

Can't archers jump 20 meters away 2 times at least? And those are instant jumps, while veno needs several seconds to reach archer again and she is under fire all this time. Pet is 1 shot. Don't suggest pdef buff, because 1) if you set both buffs, it means minus 1 stun and less control 2) it can be purged. Even tidal is 50% and you need great luck to get it of maximum lvl.

In the time of one auto attack after stun (more than 1s) you can probably get in range for Bewitch, then it's all down hill from there. Pile on the stun, the pet stun, purge, chi drain, etc.

Players can move in bewitch. If they run away, it's not that easy to purge, you will need pet stun, but if it's dead, you have to use bewitch just to resummon it.

If an archer goes immune, it's just a waiting game. Pop out Blazing Barrier, go fox, and what's he going to do?

Purge you next hit and continue attacking? b:laugh What can blazing barrier do to immuned archer? Imo, it's a last resource to act so, if you realise nothing else left. Bb is better to use when the target is not immuned, then you can hope for reflect damage at best or that he will stop attacking at least (in case his def is same or lower and bb really threats him).
Besides you forget that full vit veno won't kill even archer and full magic is squishy and few arrows after purge can be enough.

I'm not saying that archers are unkillable (they are actually one of the most killable classes for the veno), but you sound like they drop dead just when veno appears in sight b:laugh Which is wrong.

For me, I think there is always a build, if done right, can be utile in PvP against other players not matter what class. What is sad, is the insane, nearly impossible, "I started-playing-when-I-was-15-now-I-am-20-and-finaly-have-1-piece-of-farmed-pvp-armor" approach to this game (or credit card to cut 2 years of farming off. So, the response, is "make 2 new characters that OP to satisfy the new player".
It is a marketing reality. That is why army of sins, sin alts, and Veno's have been rolled and re-rolled. SO many even ditched their main going this route. Kind of sad because it does over shadow and take the focus of fixing and loving your core game (cough cough, "there are wizards in PWI?").

That said, visually, you can see where PWI has gone down hill. Lets look at what we are doing in PvE: Old PWI, get a good group, use timing, execution, perfect healing, and agro exchange to down bosses.
Today: "He guys look, I have a pet"...A wild Veno turns the corner while kiting a very obedient Polearm as the pet sits there taking all damage...We all turn the corner...oh...ok....Kill it I guess... It takes the dignity and epicness out of bosses and fights. Makes it feel cheap...but you don't have to look too far to see that it is intentional desing...Any one ever run Phoenix Valley (PV)? The day your mmorpg design turns to: "Let the zerg a hallway, mass up mounds of copy and paste enemies, and use one explosion to farm exp". Is the day the unisntall button should be pressed rapidly to no support this game of game design (because you could be enjoying epic story lines in ***, STO, or enjoying mob variety in any other game (EQ2 has more than enough. Hell, even RIFT and **** have more mob veriety per level to get to the end)....Just look at it as if some one is trying to sell you this game for the first time: "So yeah, what we do now is run down this cave, and pull all this garbage, and explode! WANNA PLAY???"
Even a Sins animation with apps looks like a ****. In other mmorpgs, if some one walks up, twitchs, and the enemie dies before the animiation finishes and the sounds of "chop chop" is still going...it is a **** and a banable offense...in PWI...It is a skill....LOLLLL
VENO updates and Sins were the developpers response to this madness. But it makes sense, the only other way to patch this sinking game up was to tweak HP, and EXP rates to bring this game to normal functioning status, but then people won't get gamblers addiction and pay to have one up over their fellow man, so as long as those credit cards slide, the brokenness of the game remains, a kind of logical paradox as you would think cash = updates nad fixes and improvements, but as the saying in this business goes "if its broke and bringing in cash, don't fix it" (more proof of that, being huge population dive forced them to bust out the OP Character updates).
And ohhh hooo hooo it is not over. I already have the skill list for when the PW2 update comes out (NIghtshade and Moon Fairy classes).... Prepare yourself for trollout out scyth freezes and stuns. My question is, I already saw a badge on the market that "avoids all stuns", pretty sure you can kiss that goodye when this class come sout. To all you barbs, grab your level 79 immune stun books now before that class pushes the price past 16mil.
Moon Fairies are elemental glass cannons, They will be like lolipops, the design team is now going from "OP" to "Lets have alts since we know we can"t ban more than one multibox (this game is run by at least 10 players per server with 50 ALTS on their mutli boxes....joke...but long from the truth.
So, these moon fairies will have you creating a pure fire based, then frost, then water... CHA CHING! All to be recycled in the same lands we have been dabbeling in since 1995, with the same broken quest systems and "level 80" mob that needs a level 100 or higher to kill it...or a level 80 sin (the Sin seems to be an attempt to get content difficulty back to its proper level requirement...but flopped).
All this broken half assed horrible mmorpg design... Why am I hear again? OH YEAH sometimes it ACTUALLY is a 16 year girl behind that avatar IRL that talks to me on SKYPE! WOOT! BRB, gotta see if servers are actually working now....b:dirtyb:bye

i saw this post and LOLd so had to make a comment. veno's are not OP at endgame.
anything R9+10 or higher will 1shot even a monkey pet
Venos need to be lucky with debuffs/crits/spike damage to kill someone with endgame gear even with a +12 r9++ pataka.
so just cus you get wrecked as a melee by bramble hood cus your undergeared it does not make venos OP lol

Marengo - Lost City wrote: »

Can't archers jump 20 meters away 2 times at least? And those are instant jumps, while veno needs several seconds to reach archer again and she is under fire all this time. Pet is 1 shot. Don't suggest pdef buff, because 1) if you set both buffs, it means minus 1 stun and less control 2) it can be purged. Even tidal is 50% and you need great luck to get it of maximum lvl.

I did point out the immunity/cant target skill on pets is broken currently. I have personally seen it up for 3mins straight. So no, you cant kill it. Of course, I may have just been unrealistically unlucky to test the pet every time it had just used the skill but I doubt it.

As for leaps, they have been discussed already. They really do nothing against veno other than allow you to jump out of range penalty momentarily. For example Aim low --> jump --> Veno cant instantly follow you back to melee range. But using leaps for even that is simply risky for the chance of getting airlocked. Long term veno will outpace you and kiting them is more or less impossible.

HideYoHubby - Archosaur wrote: »

I did point out the immunity/cant target skill on pets is broken currently. I have personally seen it up for 3mins straight. So no, you cant kill it. Of course, I may have just been unrealistically unlucky to test the pet every time it had just used the skill but I doubt it.

Tell me what to do to achieve that permanent immunity b:surrender Mine works exactly as described - 7 sec. What am I doing wrong? b:embarrass

Marengo - Lost City wrote: »

Purge you next hit and continue attacking? b:laugh What can blazing barrier do to immuned archer? Imo, it's a last resource to act so, if you realise nothing else left. Bb is better to use when the target is not immuned, then you can hope for reflect damage at best or that he will stop attacking at least (in case his def is same or lower and bb really threats him).
Besides you forget that full vit veno won't kill even archer and full magic is squishy and few arrows after purge can be enough.

I'm not saying that archers are unkillable (they are actually one of the most killable classes for the veno), but you sound like they drop dead just when veno appears in sight b:laugh Which is wrong.

BB is actually great to use when gong for a kill since it's added dps if they keep attacking and it makes it safe to go into human form. And do you mean a few arrows after purge can kill a veno? Fox form can't be purged, only summer sprint, and if it's a fully buffed fight between archer or veno in general is pretty dumb. And venos have feral for whatever that immunity argument was but i didn't see the original post of it so idk if that applies.

Venos have the edge vs archers, but that's not because venos are op, archers are just bad in almost every 1v1 matchup. And that's fine too, because they're really good in group fights and the game seems to be pretty much balanced around group pvp anyway. I think demon ironwood should be reworked into a 180 proc like the primal version, and pets should get a durability buff at end game to compensate, but that's just my opinion.

The point of Blazing Barrier is to protect yourself...What is one reason people use immunity? To be able to go for a kill without retaliation. Blazing Barrier costs all of 30 chi and grants 30% reduction. Along with going Fox, there is no way an archer can try for a quick kill that way even if 3 spark. It's forcing people to waste resources.

I use WoG for the reduction even against classes that don't stun, and that costs a spark.

Venos are OP, we can switch easily between solo PvP and group support if you know what you're doing. Purge bots make me sad..

Also just pointing out it's easy to avoid a lot of stuns as a veno...

Purged venos can be killed in a few hits, that's why you have to use your wits to save your immunizes (feral, AD, any pots etc.) for those moments and counter.

I'm not the best at explaining versus just doing though.

undeafeated wrote: »

I dont think venos are that op...
Firstly i know alot of venos are VERY good at the class...but i mean as soon as u get past there combo they are kinda of in the spotlight then. Think about it u do ur combo which of course i most of the time a surekill combo and u follow up with Reflect dmg skill and AD skill that venos have idk the name xDDD and thats it. But after that they have to kite so there skills CD and occasionally spam there skills to get u at low hp.
My point is that combo can be over ruled easily Nullify poison<---And if u dont have that Faith when they do the HF skill/Amplify. Although u would be dead as soon as u do it most of the time thats it...
I know this becuase i have fought alot of venos in the past Good/Bad and well i found a common
thing venos doo soo its relatively easy to kill them after BUT of course def wep/Vit/Mag are VEy hard they cant do much becuase of it.
Anyway just throwing my thoughts to it so i guess the only op Class is None really its how u use it that makes it op.

If you don't nullify poison the redstone skill the arcane antinomy isn't wood damage and will still hit.