ah gold coin cap
MENTOR - Momaganon
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Hiyas!!!
The reason of writing this is the economic halt of our server which is the result of this emphatic view of devs that coin cap should remain at 4 mil ea at ah when 1200 is pending on buyers section....
Gentlemen realize this simple truth....
You either take off the stupid spiritual cultivation (undercover bot legalisation) so to deflate the economy or you must understand that you must raise the gold buying coin cap at ah to maybe 6-7 mil ea as the market vows for it ....
The real difference of this ftp mmo than the others used to be that you could freelly take the ftp option to meet the top. that requires a market with ups and downs. Too much stability is the enemy of commercial spirit.
PS. BTW to all haters that will accuse me that i am just greedy and need money (since i think in my server i am a well known merchant) i reply i dont need any chance to make money.i have enough money allready and will continue to have since money goes with money xd. However to any potential semi ftp player or ftp player this stability acts like a ditterent...
The reason of writing this is the economic halt of our server which is the result of this emphatic view of devs that coin cap should remain at 4 mil ea at ah when 1200 is pending on buyers section....
Gentlemen realize this simple truth....
You either take off the stupid spiritual cultivation (undercover bot legalisation) so to deflate the economy or you must understand that you must raise the gold buying coin cap at ah to maybe 6-7 mil ea as the market vows for it ....
The real difference of this ftp mmo than the others used to be that you could freelly take the ftp option to meet the top. that requires a market with ups and downs. Too much stability is the enemy of commercial spirit.
PS. BTW to all haters that will accuse me that i am just greedy and need money (since i think in my server i am a well known merchant) i reply i dont need any chance to make money.i have enough money allready and will continue to have since money goes with money xd. However to any potential semi ftp player or ftp player this stability acts like a ditterent...
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MENTOR - Momaganon wrote: »Hiyas!!!
The reason of writing this is the economic halt of our server which is the result of this emphatic view of devs that coin cap should remain at 4 mil ea at ah when 1200 is pending on buyers section....
Gentlemen realize this simple truth....
You either take off the stupid spiritual cultivation (undercover bot legalisation) so to deflate the economy or you must understand that you must raise the gold buying coin cap at ah to maybe 6-7 mil ea as the market vows for it ....
The real difference of this ftp mmo than the others used to be that you could freelly take the ftp option to meet the top. that requires a market with ups and downs. Too much stability is the enemy of commercial spirit.
PS. BTW to all haters that will accuse me that i am just greedy and need money (since i think in my server i am a well known merchant) i reply i dont need any chance to make money.i have enough money allready and will continue to have since money goes with money xd. However to any potential semi ftp player or ftp player this stability acts like a ditterent...
They should Decrease Gold price to 3m ijs[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
A single reduction without comping it with other measures would mean nothing.deflation should be caused naturally by decreasing the flow of coin in server not by just setting gold ah coin cap at 3 or 2 mil...0
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Increase cap i think not lol
i agree with Tank Decrease the gold. Hell 1 mil to the dollar sound even better b:laughTo think your OP is Fail, To know your role is OP
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So, wait, you think that they should remove the cap because of FTP players? So let's say a new player comes to the game and gold is at 7M each... That would just be insane since he would have for example to do JJ for 2 weeks just for 1 gold... Or do you suggest that everyone learns how to merch? Because if everyone knew how to merch NOBODY knew how to merch since nobody was willing to buy and sell at other merchants prices.
The cap is 4M for a reason and people who buy gold in WC are just impatient tbh, since if they put up the same offer (3.999.900) all the have to do is "wait in line" instead of constantly being overbid. I am not saying this system is perfect or better in any way, but it works.
Also, approaching your bot related issue, DQ items will be worthless with the new expansion (PWI2), expect gold to go down after that, until then, with bots and continuous spend rewards gold will stay at 4M for a bit more time (inflation + supply and demand).
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raising the gold cap without fighting the source of the inflation is plain and simple just stupid.
You dont need to raise the cap, you need to drain out coins.
otherwise you just push the problem in the future.
why 7m ? why not 50m gold cap, lol...........
here is your solution:
combine gold and coins in the boutique.
every purchase of 1 gold needs also 1m coins.
prices would raise for a short period of time but after coins draining out ,prices will drop.
even people who charge zen only will need coins. coins will have a purpose again.0 -
guys my point is that something has to be done in order to have a meaning to merch again either increase or decrease it doesnt matter. If limit stays as it is thats not free market ...thats communism ...(hohoho which sounds logical since we play a chinese game xd)0
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Oh look, the guy that tries to sell stuff at 5 times their regular value is trying to get gold even more expensive, how unexpected (isn't this like your umpteenth attempt at increasing gold cap?)0
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MENTOR - Momaganon wrote: »Hiyas!!!
The reason of writing this is the economic halt of our server which is the result of this emphatic view of devs that coin cap should remain at 4 mil ea at ah when 1200 is pending on buyers section....
Gentlemen realize this simple truth....
You either take off the stupid spiritual cultivation (undercover bot legalisation) so to deflate the economy or you must understand that you must raise the gold buying coin cap at ah to maybe 6-7 mil ea as the market vows for it ....
The real difference of this ftp mmo than the others used to be that you could freelly take the ftp option to meet the top. that requires a market with ups and downs. Too much stability is the enemy of commercial spirit.
PS. BTW to all haters that will accuse me that i am just greedy and need money (since i think in my server i am a well known merchant) i reply i dont need any chance to make money.i have enough money allready and will continue to have since money goes with money xd. However to any potential semi ftp player or ftp player this stability acts like a ditterent...
Oh god not this stupid BS demand again. You want to **** over any new player or any player under level 8x by pricing gold out of their ability to buy it?
A deterrent for what exactly? All you are going to do is cause an even more massive spike in inflation with this idiocy. What the hell do you think the prices of tokens are going to be like on your server with gold double what it is now? How about the prices of teles, charms, etc.? You don't think people aren't going to double the prices of those items and a whole lot more to compensate for it?
Hell no. As others have stated this is a stupid idea which will have consequences beyond your comprehension apparently. The solution to the inflation issue is to make coin worth more, not the gold. The way to do that is to vastly reduce the amount of coin generated from the environment and to create some hefty coin sinks in the game.I **** bigger than you...
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The guy is right, he gives 2 options. All you do is say that it should be 1 of those options and talk about a stupid idea while not even an idea is given really, he just sais the current situation needs to be fixed and gives 2 options, 1 of which you seem to approve.
A: Do something about the inflation so that the actual gold price stays away from it.
B: Raise the gold cap.
Having the market price of gold around or over the gold cap and doing nothing about it is not a good option. Decreasing it is totally ludicrous of course.
It is rare that anyone sais anything sensible on this topic. OP is one of those rare people.
The whole notion of a gold price cap is silly. Its like the US saying "it is illegal to sell USDs for more than 0.50 Euro. Do you think that is going to make people sell USDs for that price ? No, it would end all legal exchange, spawn a huge illegal market and the world economy would go down the drain.Everything i write is from PvE perspective unless mentioned otherwise.0 -
RELAX!!! STASIS at gold price kills ah - merchantising- buy/sell- and the ability to get in the top even if not cser (as the majority of the players).So one unique characteristic of this mmo (free merchantising and buying of game currency(gold) from game drops (coins)) is killed. Thats my point really. An economist would surely approve my proposals. BTW even the most devoted non cser players (10 hours gaming time per day ) have their catshop at archo in dual box 24/7 so merchanting has surely something to offer...
ps forgive my poor spelling0 -
raising the gold cap without fighting the source of the inflation is plain and simple just stupid.
You dont need to raise the cap, you need to drain out coins.
otherwise you just push the problem in the future.
why 7m ? why not 50m gold cap, lol...........
here is your solution:
combine gold and coins in the boutique.
every purchase of 1 gold needs also 1m coins.
prices would raise for a short period of time but after coins draining out ,prices will drop.
even people who charge zen only will need coins. coins will have a purpose again.
nice idea but too romantic. devs must make money and thats in the opposite direction0 -
MENTOR - Momaganon wrote: »nice idea but too romantic. devs must make money and thats in the opposite direction
what would change for pwi ? NOTHING
I do not propose you can purchase for gold or coins. I say you need BOTH.
Now someone who charges zen then buys stuff from boutique to sell, could simply sell the gold itself. This way more gold will appear in AH. more gold = more competition = lower prices.0 -
It would mean they cant sell more than there are coins being generated. Even though they could attempt to balance it, I dont think they like their sales potential to be limited by some silly game
Everything i write is from PvE perspective unless mentioned otherwise.0 -
MENTOR - Momaganon wrote: »RELAX!!! STASIS at gold price kills ah - merchantising- buy/sell- and the ability to get in the top even if not cser (as the majority of the players).So one unique characteristic of this mmo (free merchantising and buying of game currency(gold) from game drops (coins)) is killed. Thats my point really. An economist would surely approve my proposals. BTW even the most devoted non cser players (10 hours gaming time per day ) have their catshop at archo in dual box 24/7 so merchanting has surely something to offer...
ps forgive my poor spelling
Not all ppl have a catshop set 24 hours per day.You would be surprised but there are ppl that shut down their PC when they go to sleep.
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Servers need merged into pvp servers and gold cap raised to at least 5-6m.
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Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »Servers need merged into pvp servers and gold cap raised to at least 5-6m.
And make a weekly reward system for who killed the most autocultivating toons ? b:chuckleEverything i write is from PvE perspective unless mentioned otherwise.0 -
raising the gold cap without fighting the source of the inflation is plain and simple just stupid.
You dont need to raise the cap, you need to drain out coins.
otherwise you just push the problem in the future.
why 7m ? why not 50m gold cap, lol...........
here is your solution:
combine gold and coins in the boutique.
every purchase of 1 gold needs also 1m coins.
prices would raise for a short period of time but after coins draining out ,prices will drop.
even people who charge zen only will need coins. coins will have a purpose again.
not a bad idea0 -
here is your solution:
combine gold and coins in the boutique.
every purchase of 1 gold needs also 1m coins.
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PWI has became a game where we largely survive BY .. buying items that some way > shape or form came from the boutique or through purchased zen.
We literally are living off the PWI gold - either directly or indirectly.
Think about how few methods there are to make coin at level 80 to buy the gear you need. So okay, you farm it. With what potions... what charms... where is the $ for your repairs coming from.. your shards... your refines?
TT does not pay off ... You end up only making a small profit by selling to buyers.. but really barely eeking by.
Only the higher levels really make profit but then again.. not much..
The game has came down to that we must buy gold.. or from the boutique.. or indirectly from both or others that use both. Everything we do.. is some how GREATLY connected to this shop and gold...
It's sad.. really sad.
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"Combining coin and gold buying"...isn't that just a bigger coin tax in AH transactions? It's OK but the bigger problem is supply...
How is PWI going to increase suppl- HEY BIG WEEKEND SPEND PROMO
What has PWI done in the last half of the decade that suggests in any way it gives a damn about rising gold prices? So that's why I say just increase the cap. 50m is fine. Increase my inven cap, AH cap, bank cap too while you're at it. You're not going to get anything else from them IJS IMO TBH.Elena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
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There are few things more hilarious than reading these threads of OCD gamers pontificating on Game Economics.
If there only weren't one every 2 days, we would have more room to argue about sins OP or 200m shards in your R9RRRRRR gear.A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
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It was descussed that it would take a while to get rid of the extra coin that came into the game because of the various problems. Also with the DQ being put down to 1 coin in a main update coming this way soon do you really want gold to hit 6m? Gold price has slowly recovered on HT to 3.9m so things have got slightly better.
So im not going to log this, However I would like to guess that the GMs are keeping an eye on this and if it becomes the case then im sure something will be done. For now we need to hold fire and see if the gold price will recover.
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NPC shops suck. Make them have great stuff (but less than what you get from boutique) and the free to play group (or frustrated to pay) group can exchange coin and maybe TT items or even DQ item combinations (or any mat combo) to collect an item from the NPC shop.
When I started playing the game, I either bought gear from the npc shops in the beginning or went around with what I picked off the ground. I would buy pots from the npcs if I needed more, and worked up to bigger things. One of the reasons gold stayed so low for so long is that people were getting by on the free stuff. Get into higher levels and then the focus shifted to other things, usually only what you can get with gold.
Beef up the NPC shops and you have a coin sink right there.
Make a NPC 'design your own fashion' shop and you have an even larger coin sink.
Have a way to buy event gold in game so people can get things from the event boutique.
Archosaur slot machines? Interactive casinos? Who knows... there are any number of features the game could have to bleed excess coins from the game.0 -
It will take a VERY long time for coin/gold to restabilise, if ever it will Heero. The people who have been running entire bot farms by now have entire bank alts stocked with 10M big notes. I've seen screens of such, it's not pretty. I suggest using an alternate way to deal with this - in conjunction with the DQ items losing coin value, bring the DQ Rewards back online but drop the eventgold bonus from it so that botting dq points cannot benefit other characters through purchasing refinement aids with eventgold.
Add a few midlevel bound charms (up to gold for sake of ease), refinement aids for bound items and convenience items like teleport stones, and you'd have a system where you can still get some benefit for only your own toon at botting, while automagically grinding XP.I'm so P.R.O... I Press Respawn Often.
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Mentor is right at some point but that's a **** of a palliative solution.
The reason of this chaos is that gold lost an important characteristc... it became "the only way" of being really competitive in PvP, when it should be "the faster/easier way"...
And coins are worthless if you wanna go through Nirvana g16+8 with g10 shards ..0 -
It was descussed that it would take a while to get rid of the extra coin that came into the game because of the various problems. Also with the DQ being put down to 1 coin in a main update coming this way soon do you really want gold to hit 6m? Gold price has slowly recovered on HT to 3.9m so things have got slightly better.
So im not going to log this, However I would like to guess that the GMs are keeping an eye on this and if it becomes the case then im sure something will be done. For now we need to hold fire and see if the gold price will recover.
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18:23 1442 gold pending to be bought at morai...some impovement at pwi economy b:laughb:chuckle0 -
I also think cap needs raised. DW is having same problem. Gold 1475 currently buying at max. What this means is that without enough sellers, after 3 days it gets unlisted and you lose fees. I estimate about 600g give or take is sold in AH daily in DW. Once "buys" get past 1800 it's going to be very hard to purchase it.
There is no need to wait, if the upcoming dq nerfd to 1 coin has any affect on it, cap won't matter anyway. Gold will price will deflate whether cap is 3,999,900 or 10,999,900.0 -
I think it is good to ask for measures to slow down inflation.
However, i dont think you should expect serious deflation. Inflation has been part of both life and games since forever. Gold started out at some 100k or so, and gradually risen to the current 4m. Similarly, 50 years ago, a bread costed a penny and now it costs 3 dollars. This fact of life is not going to change people. You better take peace in the knowledge that the gold price will continue to rise, or else no peace for you i guess. If you doubt that, think from PWIs perspetive. A dropping gold price would mean people have a good reason not to deposit right now but rather wait for later when their dollars are going to be worth more coins. On top of that, merchants who have stacked a lot of gold (i dont think smart merchants stack coins, they more likely stacked gold instead) would want to trade all their gold for coins before it really drops trough. Gold would drop even harder, CSers would scream in panic and keep their purse closed. Believe me, structural deflation is not going to happen. (or that would be what destroys the game in its own way) Small tops and bottoms in price max, but the long term trent must always remain upward.
So yes, the gold cap needs to be increased.
And then, when that is done and the immediate problem resolved, it is time to hope for a slow down of inflation. If the trent from the past would continue, the gold price that is 4m now could be expected to go 5m by the end of the year and 7m by the end of next year. I think you have reason for a party if it can be slowed down to end 2015 below 6m.
-I am not on your server aubree, but i think you might be severly underestimating the issue at hand. If 600 gold used to be traded on the AH before the cap was met, it does not mean that is still the case. It might well be near zero if the sellers are able to get a better price selling it trough AH, to friends, or start merchanting the boutique items themselves.Everything i write is from PvE perspective unless mentioned otherwise.0 -
WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »
-I am not on your server aubree, but i think you might be severly underestimating the issue at hand. If 600 gold used to be traded on the AH before the cap was met, it does not mean that is still the case. It might well be near zero if the sellers are able to get a better price selling it trough AH, to friends, or start merchanting the boutique items themselves.
DW has been at cap for 3 months at least. 600g daily has been pretty consistent. I watch gold sales closely checking gold in and gold out as best I can. I pay attention how much gold is in front of my purchase etc and how long it takes for my purchase to complete. This is the first time I have actually been worried I may get a cancelled gold bid.
I do not doubt that if this trend continues much more gold will be bought outside AH. I am contemplating doing that myself as the AH has become or is becoming unreliable to meet my needs. I would also like to purchase more than the 49 gold on my account that is limited only buy the coin limits of 200m. Outside AH I would be able to purchase more. That is another problem with high gold prices and AH.0 -
Well ill keep my eye on this thread as I do with the Gold Prices and TBH I really think adding better Pots to the apoth etc would help. For now we really have to wait for this to settle and yes it will take time.
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yes please do. b:sad gold price on sanctuary has been at 3,999,900 with over 2100+ gold waiting on buy at any given time. It takes a good 2-3 days to get 48G and sometimes even time out too.Well ill keep my eye on this thread as I do with the Gold Prices and TBH I really think adding better Pots to the apoth etc would help. For now we really have to wait for this to settle and yes it will take time.
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